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If Feinstein votes to confirm Haspel (Original Post) gabeana Mar 2018 OP
She's got my vote. nocalflea Mar 2018 #1
Not mine have to think about gabeana Mar 2018 #2
Considering the Senator's involvement in the " Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture" , I believe she is far better infomed than I to judge Ms. Haspel's fitness as CIA Director. nocalflea Mar 2018 #28
Pro Publica has retracted part of its claims; she didn't take charge of the base until later More_Cowbell Mar 2018 #3
there is also this gabeana Mar 2018 #5
all the more curious bigtree Mar 2018 #7
name me ONE senator who has done more to uncover the torture crimes and abuses bigtree Mar 2018 #4
nothing to see hear gabeana Mar 2018 #8
something to see here bigtree Mar 2018 #19
doesn't address today gabeana Mar 2018 #20
what a stupid statement bigtree Mar 2018 #25
little insecure I see gabeana Mar 2018 #27
tell us about your opposition to the torture program bigtree Mar 2018 #29
but you will support a confirmation of a torturer gabeana Mar 2018 #42
stop talking nonsense bigtree Mar 2018 #51
only nonsense is you gabeana Mar 2018 #60
what, are you 10 years old? bigtree Mar 2018 #71
Preemptive attacks are just so much more dreamy. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2018 #33
So what we have here in the OP is just your basic... Hekate Mar 2018 #10
so because it is a strong dem woman gabeana Mar 2018 #13
Answer me why you are aiming this at Feinstein without proof, given DiFi's long record Hekate Mar 2018 #15
here you go gabeana Mar 2018 #17
bent out of shape bigtree Mar 2018 #21
well hopefully she wont vote gabeana Mar 2018 #23
And when she doesnt vote to confirm, will you apologize to DU for this thread? emulatorloo Mar 2018 #36
nope gabeana Mar 2018 #43
So youll just go smear the next Democrat for something they havent done yet. emulatorloo Mar 2018 #58
smearing gabeana Mar 2018 #61
If my grandmother had wheels she would be a car emulatorloo Mar 2018 #74
What ever on Earth makes you think my Senator plans to do that? Did she say something? Hekate Mar 2018 #6
I live in california gabeana Mar 2018 #9
You did not answer my question about why you think DiFi has anything to do with this... Hekate Mar 2018 #11
read more of the post gabeana Mar 2018 #16
If? Normally, I would not question a poster's motives... cbreezen Mar 2018 #12
Maybe Kevin Deleon gabeana Mar 2018 #14
Tell me about Kevin... cbreezen Mar 2018 #18
from his state sen page gabeana Mar 2018 #22
I'd prefer that you tell me in your own words. cbreezen Mar 2018 #24
I'd prefer not to gabeana Mar 2018 #26
Kevin De Long and Dianne Feinstein see eye to eye on almost every issue. still_one Mar 2018 #35
I realize you didn't direct the question to me... Paka Mar 2018 #30
Thanks for the chuckle... cbreezen Mar 2018 #31
Allison could run against a Republican instead of trying to unseat a Democrat. MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #39
It appears you don't approve of primary's. Paka Mar 2018 #72
Yeah thats what I said... MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #73
You know the torture story was retracted, right? Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #32
Thanks. Do you imagine the OP cares? But at least the rest of us do. nt Hekate Mar 2018 #41
not all of it gabeana Mar 2018 #44
The portions that had peoples' hair in flames was retracted. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #53
destroying evidence gabeana Mar 2018 #62
Feinstein has called on CIA to declassify documents detailing Haspels ties to the torture program still_one Mar 2018 #34
Well said n/t emulatorloo Mar 2018 #37
Hat trick! mcar Mar 2018 #38
Gabeana, if you don't know a tenth of what Feinstein does Hortensis Mar 2018 #40
If she votes to confirm a CIA gabeana Mar 2018 #45
Of course it bothers me. But I suspect the alternatives Hortensis Mar 2018 #55
I don't believe she will vote to confirm Haspel, she was on top of the torture thing back in the day Autumn Mar 2018 #46
not a lot of people in this post do gabeana Mar 2018 #47
People can chose to do whatever their values allow. I know what my values are and no affiliation Autumn Mar 2018 #54
Why would any Democrat vote to confirm jalan48 Mar 2018 #48
Why would people on DU gabeana Mar 2018 #49
Makes a person wonder about their ethics jalan48 Mar 2018 #50
I know gabeana Mar 2018 #52
what are the 'ethics' of making charges against the Dem senator (and Duers) bigtree Mar 2018 #57
Why vote for any Trump nominee at this point? jalan48 Mar 2018 #59
show me where Feinstein said she'd vote for Haspel bigtree Mar 2018 #69
Heavens to be that a DUer gabeana Mar 2018 #63
you've resorted to outright lying on this thread bigtree Mar 2018 #70
Sarah Sanders said in the briefing today that Feinstein announced support, which she didn't EffieBlack Mar 2018 #65
so it is a lie gabeana Mar 2018 #66
It is a lie that she announced she's supporting her EffieBlack Mar 2018 #67
Oh c'mon you don't support her no matter what nini Mar 2018 #56
If she supports someone who overlooked torture gabeana Mar 2018 #64
LOL nini Mar 2018 #68

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
28. Considering the Senator's involvement in the " Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture" , I believe she is far better infomed than I to judge Ms. Haspel's fitness as CIA Director.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 03:20 AM
Mar 2018

There has already been attempts to smear Ms. Haspel.

' "It is important to note that she has spent nearly her entire CIA career undercover,” Boyd said. “Much of what is in the public domain about her is inaccurate. We are pleased that ProPublica is willing to acknowledge its mistakes and correct the record regarding its claims about Ms. Haspel.” '

https://www.propublica.org/article/cia-cables-detail-its-new-deputy-directors-role-in-torture

There are questions about the reported actions of Ms. Haspel. Ms. Haspel will certainly face these in her confirmation hearings.

Because of the classified nature of intelligence work, full disclosure is often not possible.

John Brennan is against torture, yet he supports Ms. Haspel as director. (Yes, the tapes ...).

I am not privy to the classified information that Senator Feinstein has. Either you trust her judgement or don't.

Anyone Trump appoints will be met with wariness. But, Haspel is a career professional unlike Pompeo or heaven-forbid Cotton.

We are not living in the best of all possible worlds. Neither is Senator Feinstien. Her choices are limited.




gabeana

(3,166 posts)
5. there is also this
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:48 AM
Mar 2018
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-wheeler-haspel-cia_us_5aaab803e4b0fcbdb4a3510a

It was long unclear whether Haspel oversaw just the waterboarding of Nashiri or also the 83 waterboards that Abu Zubaydah endured, long beyond the time he had agreed to talk, though new reports from ProPublica and The New York Times say the latter man was tortured before her time at the helm.

What’s not in dispute is Haspel’s role in the cover-up: Once Abu Zubaydah and Nashiri were shipped to their next stop in a series of black sites, Haspel started her multiyear campaign to destroy the videos that showed their torture, which indisputably contradicted written authorizations and records. Defying the warnings of multiple Democrats, the director of national intelligence and several judges, Haspel in November 2005, as chief of staff for the director of clandestine services, sent a cable ordering officers to stick the tapes into an industrial-strength shredder.

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
7. all the more curious
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:51 AM
Mar 2018

...why she oversaw the destruction of torture evidence shortly after she was seated as chief.

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
4. name me ONE senator who has done more to uncover the torture crimes and abuses
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:48 AM
Mar 2018

...this post is ill-conceived, to say the least.



gabeana

(3,166 posts)
8. nothing to see hear
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:51 AM
Mar 2018

"And now not even Feinstein herself is categorically opposed to Haspel’s nomination. “It’s no secret I’ve had concerns in the past with her connection to the CIA torture program and have spent time with her discussing this,” Feinstein said in a Tuesday statement. But she seems inclined to drop her past concerns about a torturer’s continued promotions in favor of competence leading the agency. “To the best of my knowledge she has been a good deputy director and I look forward to the opportunity to speak with her again.”

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
19. something to see here
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 03:01 AM
Mar 2018

Statement on Intel Committee’s CIA Detention, Interrogation Report
Mar 11 2014

Washington—Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today spoke on the Senate floor regarding the committee’s study on the CIA Detention and Interrogation Program:

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=db84e844-01bb-4eb6-b318-31486374a895

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
20. doesn't address today
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 03:05 AM
Mar 2018

that is 2014
if she supports Haspel today that is what I care about not 2014

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
25. what a stupid statement
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 03:12 AM
Mar 2018

...I'm not wasting my time trying to stop you from flailing about with this contradictory HuffPo opinion piece like its some gospel on Feinstein.

Educate yourself..

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
60. only nonsense is you
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 03:57 PM
Mar 2018

no problem with torture if the person you support can overlook it

quit projecting, you are not coming off as smart as you think you are

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
71. what, are you 10 years old?
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 09:20 PM
Mar 2018

..nowhere, never, have I said ANYTHING in support of torturers or torture.

You won't recover this thread with more lies.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
10. So what we have here in the OP is just your basic...
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:52 AM
Mar 2018

Shit-stirring then.

Aimed once again at a powerful Democratic woman. What a shock.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
13. so because it is a strong dem woman
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:56 AM
Mar 2018

can't question if the supports of a person who covered up torture at the least

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
17. here you go
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 03:00 AM
Mar 2018

And now not even Feinstein herself is categorically opposed to Haspel’s nomination. “It’s no secret I’ve had concerns in the past with her connection to the CIA torture program and have spent time with her discussing this,” Feinstein said in a Tuesday statement. But she seems inclined to drop her past concerns about a torturer’s continued promotions in favor of competence leading the agency. “To the best of my knowledge she has been a good deputy director and I look forward to the opportunity to speak with her again.”

I hope she votes against her but if she doesn't then I'd have to consider voting against her in the primary
maybe it is not a deal breaker for you, but for me and I am sure there are more like me who would have a hard time voting for her

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
21. bent out of shape
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 03:06 AM
Mar 2018

...by a contradictory HuffPo opinion piece by Marcy Wheeler.

Notes Feinstein's opposition, even in the face of a Democratic administration, then blames her for the Obama admin. failure to prosecute.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
36. And when she doesnt vote to confirm, will you apologize to DU for this thread?
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 09:59 AM
Mar 2018

or will you just move on to another pre-emotive speculative attack on another Dem?

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
58. So youll just go smear the next Democrat for something they havent done yet.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 03:06 PM
Mar 2018

I appreciate your honesty.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
61. smearing
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 03:59 PM
Mar 2018

pretty low bar for you as it pertain to smearing
by asking 'if" support because as of now she is not a solid no vote is she?

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
74. If my grandmother had wheels she would be a car
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:52 PM
Mar 2018

“If” you had wings you’d be an airplane.

That’s the value of “if” speculative questions.

Attacking someone for something they have not done is a smear.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
6. What ever on Earth makes you think my Senator plans to do that? Did she say something?
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:49 AM
Mar 2018

Your first line makes it sound like you don't live in California because you don't know what our reaction would be

Your second line makes it sound like maybe you do live here because of talk of "supporting her" i.e. voting?

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
11. You did not answer my question about why you think DiFi has anything to do with this...
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:55 AM
Mar 2018

Especially since I am sure you must have followed the link provided by another poster?

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
16. read more of the post
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:58 AM
Mar 2018

And now not even Feinstein herself is categorically opposed to Haspel’s nomination. “It’s no secret I’ve had concerns in the past with her connection to the CIA torture program and have spent time with her discussing this,” Feinstein said in a Tuesday statement. But she seems inclined to drop her past concerns about a torturer’s continued promotions in favor of competence leading the agency. “To the best of my knowledge she has been a good deputy director and I look forward to the opportunity to speak with her again

cbreezen

(694 posts)
12. If? Normally, I would not question a poster's motives...
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:55 AM
Mar 2018

Please tell me which Californian you would like to see replace her.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
26. I'd prefer not to
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 03:13 AM
Mar 2018

besides I said maybe, as of now I'm leaning towards Feinstein but if she votes to confirm then I'd have to reconsider my decisions

still_one

(91,950 posts)
35. Kevin De Long and Dianne Feinstein see eye to eye on almost every issue.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 08:29 AM
Mar 2018

Based on their views and voting records they are both considered progressives

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
39. Allison could run against a Republican instead of trying to unseat a Democrat.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 10:18 AM
Mar 2018

I really couldn’t vote for someone like that when every seat matters more than ever before.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
72. It appears you don't approve of primary's.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 10:53 PM
Mar 2018

I thought challenging the status quo when it wasn't working was a good thing to do. My bad!

still_one

(91,950 posts)
34. Feinstein has called on CIA to declassify documents detailing Haspels ties to the torture program
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 08:23 AM
Mar 2018

before they vote on the confirmation.

The OP now makes a veiled speculation that Feinstein could possibly vote for confirmation, without explaining a basis for that speculation

My suggestion is if the OP is concerned about Haspel's confirmation is for the OP to write or call Senator Feinstein's office and express those concerns, since this confirmation vote will be occurring before the June 5th primary, and November general election





Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. Gabeana, if you don't know a tenth of what Feinstein does
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 10:19 AM
Mar 2018

on this subject, and neither of us do, I suggest not embracing ignorance over knowledge, and certainly not in hopes of virtue. A huge part of being profoundly ignorant, not educating ourselves, and of dismissing the decisions of those who are not, is that we can't know if what we're doing is right or not.

Btw, I will support Feinstein's decision because she's a liberal Democrat and because of her history and the histories of other Democratic Party liberals, which though imperfect are enormously better than the right's. I would not support the decision of any Republican in congress today given their history of embracing evil solutions over principled, good sense ones.

Bottom line, in a very imperfect world of hard choices, we were and are still the guys in the white hats.

Democrats on senate intelligence committee
Mark Warner, Virginia, Vice Chairman
Dianne Feinstein, California
Ron Wyden, Oregon
Martin Heinrich, New Mexico
Angus King, Maine[12]
Joe Manchin, West Virginia
Kamala Harris, California

Republicans on senate intelligence committee
Richard Burr, North Carolina, Chairman
Jim Risch, Idaho
Marco Rubio, Florida
Susan Collins, Maine
Roy Blunt, Missouri
James Lankford, Oklahoma
Tom Cotton, Arkansas
John Cornyn, Texas

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
55. Of course it bothers me. But I suspect the alternatives
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:09 PM
Mar 2018

likely to be put up would bother me more. We're a minority party thanks to people I spit on for handing our nation over to the party that institutionalized torture in OUR nation. That means we have limited ability to affect these things and have to be careful what we expend it on.

One thing you should know is that Feinstein has this woman's record memorized. She undoubtedly has been in it a number of times over the years, while I'm guessing you haven't studied the little reported in in the MSM or have any idea how reliable that is.

You might at least wonder who the Republicans' second choice would be if we killed this one and what's in THAT person's resume. Because you would OWN everything that person did differently if somehow you were able to kill this one.

There is no virtue in facile, ignorant meddling completely without concern for the consequences.

And there is great evil in ignorantly empowering those who believe in kidnapping people and delivering them to evil hellholes for torture and murder, all without trial. Which undermining the efforts of our own people on the senate intelligence committee to check them as best they are able would be likely to do.

Autumn

(44,755 posts)
46. I don't believe she will vote to confirm Haspel, she was on top of the torture thing back in the day
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 01:35 PM
Mar 2018

I will have a problem with any Dem who votes to confirm her.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
47. not a lot of people in this post do
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 01:45 PM
Mar 2018

here is a link to a Hill article this morning


http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/378702-feinstein-faces-new-pressure-from-left-over-cia-nominee

Feinstein — who is up for reelection in 2018 and facing a primary challenge from the left — took heat this week when she said that she was undecided on Haspel and described her as “good deputy director” at the spy agency.

Autumn

(44,755 posts)
54. People can chose to do whatever their values allow. I know what my values are and no affiliation
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 01:59 PM
Mar 2018

that any person has with another has no bearing on mine. I know what I can and can not live with. Torture is a stain on our country and I will support no one who condones it or has condoned it.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
49. Why would people on DU
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 01:50 PM
Mar 2018

support a senator who voted to confirm especially from a liberal state
a bunch post on this thread seem to have no problem with it

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
52. I know
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 01:54 PM
Mar 2018

and when you respond all they come back is how much smarter they are in their opinions
In which i'd gather is rather subjective

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
57. what are the 'ethics' of making charges against the Dem senator (and Duers)
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:29 PM
Mar 2018

...without any evidence, at all?

The op has gone from speculating, from a contradictory opinion piece not even in the op, that Feinstein will vote for Haspel, to just claiming that the senator will vote for Haspel.

We don't yet know if Sen. Feinstein will vote in favor of Haspel. What we do have is her statement and letter demanding answers about Haspel's past association with tortures, and the senator's past record of LEADERSHIP against tortures spanning two successive administrations.

Heaven forbid Duers express confidence in this Democratic leader on this Democratic board.

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
69. show me where Feinstein said she'd vote for Haspel
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 09:13 PM
Mar 2018

...or where I said I support Haspel, for that matter.

You and the op are engaging in sophistry.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
63. Heavens to be that a DUer
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 04:02 PM
Mar 2018

will trash another Dem for having a question about a Dem politician will turn the other way to torture

I got it you are an apologist for someone like, that is how come off

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
70. you've resorted to outright lying on this thread
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 09:16 PM
Mar 2018

...this thread is little more than you dissembling to recover whatever point you wanted to make in the op. I saw where you recc'd it yourself.

You're embarrassing yourself. In your lifetime, you will never achieve a speck of what the senator has done for the nation to confront and end tortures by our military and government.


 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
65. Sarah Sanders said in the briefing today that Feinstein announced support, which she didn't
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 04:09 PM
Mar 2018

I have no doubt, though, that the Trump crowd has decided to throw that out there in hopes of boxing Feinstein in AND freaking out the Democratic base in hopes that we'll start turning on each other.

I doubt they'll ever be able to box in DiFi, but, if this thread is any indication, the second prong is working.

nini

(16,670 posts)
56. Oh c'mon you don't support her no matter what
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:23 PM
Mar 2018

this 'IF' crap makes it difficult for me to take you seriously.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
64. If she supports someone who overlooked torture
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 04:03 PM
Mar 2018

and destroyed evidence then no
and if you do it say's a lot about your values

nini

(16,670 posts)
68. LOL
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 04:22 PM
Mar 2018

IF IF IF


I never said what I would think if she voted yes. Your whole premise is flawed and my values are just fine thank you very much.

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