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pnwmom

(108,974 posts)
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:12 PM Mar 2018

Maybe DT's not really worried about Stormy Daniels, but about the precedent

she might set.

If she succeeds in her lawsuit based on "threats" and "coercion," other women might try to void their own NDA's.

For example, Katie Johnson, the woman who sued DT for raping her as a 13 year old, and suddenly withdrew the charges a few days before the election. Her lawyer at the time said she was afraid of DT. Maybe she'd be less afraid now if Stormy succeeds.

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NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
3. I don't see where it would be precedent.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:28 PM
Mar 2018

All states have laws with respect to signing contracts and coercion.

Contracts can be voided for such thing. I have yet to see a comment where the threats being mentioned were made before the signing of the contract. Stormy has a slick lawyer.

pnwmom

(108,974 posts)
4. Stormy's lawyer did say she was threatened before she signed the contract.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:32 PM
Mar 2018

Now her attorney is saying the coercion included physical threats.

If other women had been threatened, and signed their NDA's under duress, then if Stormy is successful they might be encouraged to try to void their contracts, too.


https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/michael-cohen-could-lose-his-law-license-if-he-forced-stormy-daniels-to-sign-false-statement/

Daniels’ 28-page complaint was filed late Tuesday with the Los Angeles County Superior Court. The lawsuit claims, in relevant part:

In January 2018, certain details of the draft Hush Agreement emerged in the news media, including, among other things, the existence of the draft agreement, the parties to the draft agreement, and the $130,000.00 payment provided for under the draft agreement. Also in January 2018, and concerned the truth would be disclosed, Mr. Cohen, through intimidation and coercive tactics, forced Ms. Clifford into signing a false statement wherein she stated that reports of her relationship with Mr. Trump were false.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. Other women have had contracts voided for coercion.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:36 PM
Mar 2018

As well as men.

Do you have the quote from her lawyer. I have read a number of his quotes and don't remember him referencing a time-frame.

If it is the case, a second rate lawyer would be able to get the contract voided.

I find both Stormy and Trump to be questionable individuals. Without facts I take little of what either says.

If they had a clear case of coercion they would go to court with that and that alone. It would be the first and easiest step.

pnwmom

(108,974 posts)
6. The lawsuit refers to coercion and intimidation. He has been on TV saying
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:38 PM
Mar 2018

that physical threats were involved. See the CNN article below.


https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/michael-cohen-could-lose-his-law-license-if-he-forced-stormy-daniels-to-sign-false-statement/

Daniels’ 28-page complaint was filed late Tuesday with the Los Angeles County Superior Court. The lawsuit claims, in relevant part:

In January 2018, certain details of the draft Hush Agreement emerged in the news media, including, among other things, the existence of the draft agreement, the parties to the draft agreement, and the $130,000.00 payment provided for under the draft agreement. Also in January 2018, and concerned the truth would be disclosed, Mr. Cohen, through intimidation and coercive tactics, forced Ms. Clifford into signing a false statement wherein she stated that reports of her relationship with Mr. Trump were false.



https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16/politics/stormy-daniels-physical-threats-cnntv/index.html

"My client was physically threatened to stay silent about what she knew about Donald Trump," Michael Avenatti told CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day." He said more details would be forthcoming in Daniels' upcoming interview on CBS's "60 Minutes," which is scheduled to air later this month.

"She's going to be able to provide very specific details about what happened here," Avenatti said.

He would not answer whether or not it was someone close to the President who threatened her, and later told CNN he couldn't answer a question about whether he or Daniels filed a police report.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
8. That is not about the original contract.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:41 PM
Mar 2018

That is about 2018.

I was asking about his recent comments with respect to the original contract.

If coercion was present for it, and documented, the original contract would be voided by a court.

The quote referenced seems to be talking about a period after the original contract was signed.

pnwmom

(108,974 posts)
10. No, the quote is about how she was intimidated in 2016, when she signed the contract.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:43 PM
Mar 2018
Avenatti also appeared to suggest that Daniels may have entered the agreement under duress and denied that his client sought the deal because she wanted to profit from her story.

"I think when people tune in to ("60 Minutes&quot interview, they'll learn the details, the circumstances under which she signed the original agreement as well as what happened thereafter relating to the threats and coercive tactics that were used to shut my client up," he said.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
11. .
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:43 PM
Mar 2018

"Also in January 2018, and concerned the truth would be disclosed, Mr. Cohen, through intimidation and coercive tactics, forced Ms. Clifford into signing a false statement wherein she stated that reports of her relationship with Mr. Trump were false."

pnwmom

(108,974 posts)
13. Yes, that's an ALSO. But first there was this:
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:46 PM
Mar 2018
Avenatti also appeared to suggest that Daniels may have entered the agreement under duress and denied that his client sought the deal because she wanted to profit from her story.

"I think when people tune in to ("60 Minutes&quot interview, they'll learn the details, the circumstances under which she signed the original agreement as well as what happened thereafter relating to the threats and coercive tactics that were used to shut my client up," he said.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
16. Big difference in verbiage between the two instances.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:50 PM
Mar 2018

"appeared to suggest that"

"as well as what happened thereafter relating to the threats and coercive tactics that were used to shut my client up,"

It's all there. I know a good lawyer when I see one. What they say matters.

If there was a solid case for coercion with respect to the original contract it would have seen a courtroom on that one aspect alone. The agreement would become null. It's pretty clear in law.

pnwmom

(108,974 posts)
17. I saw the whole TV interview between the attorney and the reporter. He was clearly referring
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:52 PM
Mar 2018

to the original contract when he spoke of physical threats.

He also said that the details will come out in the 60 minutes interview. So unless DT gets that interview canned, we should know in a week.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
18. Quote him from the interview.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:57 PM
Mar 2018

I have yet to see them say it without serious hedging. Hedging that disappears when they talk about the January 2018 situation.

I won't watch the interview. I just appreciate the karma aspect. It's fun watching someone looking for a pay-day going after Trump. No matter how shady. They deserve each other and this fight.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
9. He does not mention the time-frame or where the threats came from.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:43 PM
Mar 2018

If solid, it's a clear case for the courts. Seems they are referencing what happened in January, 2018, not 2017.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
15. .
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:46 PM
Mar 2018

Also in January 2018, and concerned the truth would be disclosed, Mr. Cohen, through intimidation and coercive tactics, forced Ms. Clifford into signing a false statement wherein she stated that reports of her relationship with Mr. Trump were false.

oxbow

(2,034 posts)
19. Also alleged NDAs about multiple abortions
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 03:40 PM
Mar 2018

He was not concerned with what evangelicals think about him before a couple of years ago. He has a lot to hide after a lifetime of playing masters of the universe.

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