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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,614 posts)
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 11:40 PM Mar 2018

The Trump presidency is too bizarre for a movie or a tv miniseries.

It's going to have to be an opera, something like Wagner's Ring cycle. Nothing but opera can handle really insane drama. The composer of Nixon in China, John Adams, disagrees and explains why he wouldn't write an opera about Trump:

The idea of a Trump opera doesn't interest me in the least. First of all, because so much of what he does is theater to begin with. It's a terrible form of exploitive theater, but there's no point in trying to make theater about theater. Furthermore, you don't want to spend time as an artist giving your very best to a person who is a sociopath. He's not an interesting character, because he has no capacity for empathy. The only empathy that he can extend is to his family, who are just extensions of his own ego, and beyond that, he doesn't care. Everyone else is someone to be manipulated and controlled.

The thing with Nixon was he was interesting because he was vulnerable. His weaknesses were marvelously mixed up with his idealism. At the moment in Nixon in China where he comes off the plane, and he greets Zhou Enlai, he sings this aria about being aware of himself as president, and being like the Apollo astronaut. He's the pilot who's piloting the ship through shoals. You can believe that there's a part of Nixon that is actually noble despite all his paranoia and his faults.

I couldn't imagine doing that with Trump, because there's just nothing there except this raw, very dangerous ego, and overwhelming vanity. Maybe if I live that long, I will find some story that reflects this crisis, but I would have to approach it from an oblique angle.
https://www.kqed.org/arts/12731274

But he said that shortly after the election, and since then things have become weirder by orders of magnitude. While he's right about Trump himself, there's a whole cast of characters who could populate a really wild avant-garde opera.
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The Trump presidency is too bizarre for a movie or a tv miniseries. (Original Post) The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 OP
Who would want to relive this drumpf sh't in a movie or mini-series? democratisphere Mar 2018 #1
There have been lots of movies about terrible circumstances. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #2
A Japanese horror movie maybe ornotna Mar 2018 #3
Interesting interview leftstreet Mar 2018 #4
I dunno. It depends on how the movie KPN Mar 2018 #5
Maybe we will get a Tarantino style ending. Flaleftist Mar 2018 #6
Now there's a good thought. Let's hope! KPN Mar 2018 #8
Mel Brooks could do it ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #7
Good call ornotna Mar 2018 #9
Oliver Stone, maybe. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #11
When oh when will Huckabee sing? ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #14
they can make a good movie out of this but the focus would be on Christopher Steele and Robert JI7 Mar 2018 #10
Definitely a Shakspearian tragedy world wide wally Mar 2018 #12
But what a porn flick thbobby Mar 2018 #13

leftstreet

(36,101 posts)
4. Interesting interview
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 12:00 AM
Mar 2018

Thanks for posting the link. Interesting guy

And this is just perfect:

I couldn't imagine doing that with Trump, because there's just nothing there except this raw, very dangerous ego, and overwhelming vanity.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
7. Mel Brooks could do it
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 12:21 AM
Mar 2018

Yep, he could do it up right proper, making it hilarious and disparaging enough that the tRump name burns in infamy for a hundred years.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,614 posts)
11. Oliver Stone, maybe.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 12:44 AM
Mar 2018

But I still think opera is the best vehicle because it specializes in over-the-top and implausible drama.

JI7

(89,241 posts)
10. they can make a good movie out of this but the focus would be on Christopher Steele and Robert
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 12:35 AM
Mar 2018

Mueller and what they were doing which the public did not see.

Trump himself would be a sideshow . Putin should get more focus with all the crap he is doing and the troll farms and how he is handling the puppet Trump.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
13. But what a porn flick
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 01:59 AM
Mar 2018

I have heard about porn shows with horses or other animals (disgusting). A porn star with an orange piece of shit? Not my cup of tea, so to speak, but what could be more disgusting?

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