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Mueller has interviewed McCabe (Original Post) sunonmars Mar 2018 OP
I think director McCabe... Whiskeytide Mar 2018 #1
McCabe was also Clarity2 Mar 2018 #4
No, REALLY?? That is big sharedvalues Mar 2018 #18
Yep Clarity2 Mar 2018 #24
Nice thanks. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #25
Could get interesting Clarity2 Mar 2018 #28
If I had to guess about Sater sharedvalues Mar 2018 #29
Yeah, I think Clarity2 Mar 2018 #35
One more bit of info sharedvalues Mar 2018 #42
Another interesting part Clarity2 Mar 2018 #26
Very interesting. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #27
I think you nailed it when you said the "Russiam Mafia world wide wally Mar 2018 #36
Yeah, I really, really, really want to know what the hell was going on with the NY FBI dhol82 Mar 2018 #31
Me too. Whitey Bulger 2??? sharedvalues Mar 2018 #43
Here's a bit from the article BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #2
Mueller also has a copy of the Inspector General's report on McCabe. former9thward Mar 2018 #3
Is it confirmed that McCabe lied? n/t phylny Mar 2018 #5
Confirmed how? former9thward Mar 2018 #6
I'm asking because we don't know what was in the IG report, correct? phylny Mar 2018 #7
I don't trust Trump or Sessions either. former9thward Mar 2018 #10
If it hasn't been released, there is no way anyone knows what's in it. How can it be stated shraby Mar 2018 #15
Fine, all the media lied. former9thward Mar 2018 #37
The recommendation to fire McCabe was made public. Hortensis Mar 2018 #46
Liberals shouldnt trust the FBI Nevernose Mar 2018 #11
And to make sure I understand your emphasis with "either". erronis Mar 2018 #33
Thats why I cant ever run for office Nevernose Mar 2018 #41
Please keep posting and knocking on doors. And run for office if you want. erronis Mar 2018 #44
Do you have a copy of the report? Kingofalldems Mar 2018 #9
No, do you? former9thward Mar 2018 #12
Do you have links to these media stories? emulatorloo Mar 2018 #17
Good question. Kingofalldems Mar 2018 #20
I would like to read them myself and evaluate them n/t emulatorloo Mar 2018 #21
Do you have google on your server? former9thward Mar 2018 #39
I specifically want to see the articles YOU referenced emulatorloo Mar 2018 #47
None will satisfy you. former9thward Mar 2018 #50
It isnt a game. I want to read the articles myself and analyze them myself. emulatorloo Mar 2018 #51
Google is your friend. former9thward Mar 2018 #38
... emulatorloo Mar 2018 #48
It's important you continue to pass on the responsibility of citing sources to your claims. LanternWaste Mar 2018 #49
I can't help but wonder whether those career FBI people or the IG were pressured The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #13
FBI is PISSED. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #19
Career people worry about their pensions. McCabe is what would have happened to the others. rzemanfl Mar 2018 #14
Career people can't be fired. former9thward Mar 2018 #40
They can't be fired as easily but they can be fired or their lives made so miserable rzemanfl Mar 2018 #45
I think the words were "lack of candor" which could mean he didn't volunteer something they rzemanfl Mar 2018 #16
Anybody remember what Deep Throat's job was? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #8
oh..that's right! nini Mar 2018 #30
New film out soon... BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #22
No wonder Drumpf is shitting himself Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2018 #23
Meanwhile, here's a Golden Oldie hit from yesteryear . . . Sam McGee Mar 2018 #32
McCabe, Comey and Franken aeromanKC Mar 2018 #34

Whiskeytide

(4,459 posts)
1. I think director McCabe...
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:04 PM
Mar 2018

... is the witness with the most damaging inside info on Trump’s corruption while in office. I think that is why Trump is willing to disparage and humiliate him in spite of the blowback. His best bet will be to claim McCabe is a disgruntled, fired employee with a grudge, and you can’t believe what he says. Several commentators mentioned this over the last 24 hours. This whole scenario is an effort to tarnish him as a witness because he knows where ALL of the bodies are buried. I believe this is all about to go nuclear.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
4. McCabe was also
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:11 PM
Mar 2018

at the Eurasian Organized crime unit at FBI NY during the same period Felix Sater originally started cooperating. Eurasian unit also investigates russian mobsters.

I’m sure he knows a TON about Trump.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
18. No, REALLY?? That is big
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:51 PM
Mar 2018

McCabe was in the NYFO when Sater was being run?


There’s a good chance there is a Whitey Bulger type situation that went on with this president. I’m not sure I believe it’s that bad, but we know at minimum there was some shady pro-Trump shit going on with Giuliani and allies connected to the FBI NY office.

If McCabe had the inside view on that, it could be REALLY REALLY big. If true.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
24. Yep
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 08:40 PM
Mar 2018

Actually:

Mr. McCabe began his career as a special agent with the FBI in 1996. He first reported to the New York Division, where he investigated a variety of organized crime matters. In 2003, he became the supervisory special agent of the Eurasian Organized Crime Task Force, a joint operation with the New York City Police Department.

[link:https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/pressrel/press-releases/andrew-mccabe-named-assistant-director-of-counterterrorism-division|]

Sater:
In 1998, Sater pleaded guilty to his involvement in a $40 million stock fraud scheme orchestrated by the Russian Mafia,[7][8] and became an informant for the Federal Bureau of Investigation and federal prosecutors, assisting with organized crime investigations

[link:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Sater|]

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
25. Nice thanks.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 08:43 PM
Mar 2018

Josh Marshall has had a lot on sater and the president’s odd ties with the NYFO.
I am not sure if this is going to turn out to be true. But if it is, BOOM.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
28. Could get interesting
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 08:52 PM
Mar 2018

The holes in Saters recent statements particularly...whether hes hiding info about his own illegal activities, or if he actually was acting as an informant collecting info about Trump...

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
29. If I had to guess about Sater
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 09:00 PM
Mar 2018

I would guess Sater is much dirtier than we know, rather than that he was some kind of informant on DJT.

Sater’s Dad was a known Russian mob boss. He grew up amongst Russian mobsters in Brighton Beach. If he was really informing on DJT 5 or more years ago, it seems likely the FBI would have taken down DJT long before he announced his presidential run.

One possibility is Sater was informing to the FBI while playing them, similar to Bulger. If he was connected to Mogilevich, Sater could have been feeding the FBI bin Laden’s phone numbers (see Buzzfeed recent Sater piece) from the Russian mob, while using his FBI ties to help Mogilevich stay a step ahead of the US feds. Maybe DJT was also tied up in that? It’s been speculated he had some FBI ties, but it’s just been speculation.

Its almost certain Giuliani was close to some bad actor FBI agents inside the NYFO that manipulated the election to throw it to Trump via the Weiner email leaks.

But the Sater/DJT/FBI situation is very unclear now based on public info.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
35. Yeah, I think
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 10:08 PM
Mar 2018

its more likely Sater was playing both sides of the fence. The FBI probably would know that, as it gives them even more ammunition to get more damning information. Maybe thats how this all works. But as far as Sater being an informant re Trump, we’ve seen time and again how long some of these cases can take, especially mob cases. Nevermind the fact that the NY office was notable for corruption itself and trump is a dirt collector, as well as people pulling strings (giuliani for example) and well, $$$ talks too. There are probably a million reasons why he hadnt been charged up until the election. He and his pitbull lawyer are masters of manipulation.

The one thing that struck me too was Sater saying him and trumps lawyer Cohen are very dear friends. Cant be a “good guy” and at the same time be cozy with a disgusting pos like cohen. Says a lot about his character if true.



sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
42. One more bit of info
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 08:18 AM
Mar 2018

John Schindler has written about how the FBI dramatically changed its focus after 9/11 onto counterterrorism, and that caused counterintelligence and anti-mafia work to get under resourced. So another reason Sater and DJT skated through the 2000s is that the FBI was focusing elsewhere.

Same on Sater and Cohen. Doubt Sater comes out smelling clean after Mueller discloses what he knows.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
26. Another interesting part
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 08:44 PM
Mar 2018

Is that is his old biography. His newer one left out the eurasian organized crime unit. Although it mentions “organized crime”.
[link:https://www.fbi.gov/history/directors/andrew-mccabe|

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
27. Very interesting.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 08:51 PM
Mar 2018

If true this would explain why the huge push to discredit McCabe. The Comey firing stuff has never been dependent on McCabe alone. There were a few others there too and Comey took contemporaneous notes.


But if the goal is to discredit McCabe as a witness about Sater/Cohen/Trump’s Russian mafia connections, that starts to match up with the amount of attacks directed at McCabe. And we know the Russian mafia is part of the Russian government and tightly linked to the oligarchs.


This is a part of the Russian conspiracy that we know little about now. How much was the president linked to the Russian mafia? And what did the FBI know?

I’d bet you a dozen donuts there is real dirt there, but I could be wrong.

world wide wally

(21,718 posts)
36. I think you nailed it when you said the "Russiam Mafia
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 10:10 PM
Mar 2018

Everything about Trump screams "Mafia" right down to his colloquialisms and facial expressions

dhol82

(9,351 posts)
31. Yeah, I really, really, really want to know what the hell was going on with the NY FBI
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 09:46 PM
Mar 2018

when Giuliani was involved with them.
They are dirty. Not sure how many but there is a cabal of dirty feds in that group.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
43. Me too. Whitey Bulger 2???
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 08:23 AM
Mar 2018

Seems crazy. But lots of crazy things have been getting revealed. FBI field offices often run as their own separate groups.

BumRushDaShow

(127,256 posts)
2. Here's a bit from the article
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:06 PM
Mar 2018
Mueller's team interviewed McCabe, asked about Comey's firing

By Pamela Brown, Laura Jarrett and Veronica Stracqualursi, CNN
Updated 6:21 PM ET, Sat March 17, 2018

Washington (CNN) Special counsel Robert Mueller's team interviewed former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and asked about the firing of FBI Director James Comey, a source briefed on the matter confirmed to CNN. The source would not say when the interview, first reported by Axios, occurred.

Mueller also has memos written by McCabe documenting his conversations with President Donald Trump, a person familiar with the matter told CNN. The memos also detail what Comey told McCabe about his own interactions with Trump while he was FBI director, the source said, and are seen as a way to corroborate Comey's account in Mueller's probe on Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions fired McCabe on Friday, about a day before his 50th birthday and the date he was set to retire and begin receiving his anticipated pension, over accusations that McCabe directed FBI officials to speak to the media about an investigation tied to the Clinton Foundation and misled investigators about his actions. Following his firing Friday, McCabe told CNN in an interview that he had four interactions with the President last May, while he was acting FBI director.

McCabe revealed that he had three in-person interactions and one phone call with Trump, in which the President berated him each time about his wife's failed Virginia Senate campaign.
It is unclear exactly what is in McCabe's memos and if he memorialized every interaction he had with the President. McCabe did not keep a copy of his memos after turning them over to Mueller, the source confirmed. A spokesman for the special counsel's office declined comment.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/17/politics/mccabe-memos-trump/index.html

former9thward

(31,798 posts)
3. Mueller also has a copy of the Inspector General's report on McCabe.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:09 PM
Mar 2018

The one which found McCabe lied to the FBI. People should not expect too much from him.

former9thward

(31,798 posts)
6. Confirmed how?
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:22 PM
Mar 2018

Do you believe the career FBI Inspector General and career FBI officials on their Ethics board which recommended his firing? Or do you believe McCabe? The career officials were there before Trump and will be there after him.

phylny

(8,352 posts)
7. I'm asking because we don't know what was in the IG report, correct?
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:24 PM
Mar 2018

I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm trying to see how we would know what's in the report. See, I don't trust Trump or Sessions.

former9thward

(31,798 posts)
10. I don't trust Trump or Sessions either.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:29 PM
Mar 2018

But I do trust career FBI officials who have nothing to do with Trump and were not appointed by his administration. The IG report has not been released but it is a guarantee Mueller has it. When it will be released who knows?

shraby

(21,946 posts)
15. If it hasn't been released, there is no way anyone knows what's in it. How can it be stated
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:43 PM
Mar 2018

unequivocally that it was recommended that McCabe be fired?

I'll believe it when it's released and made public. Not a day before.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. The recommendation to fire McCabe was made public.
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 09:08 AM
Mar 2018

Btw, McCabe didn't just lie to the investigation into his behaviors, he lied at least a few times to questions specifically directed at what was under investigation.

Also very interestingly, McCabe's and Comey's stories contradict each other on a very key point. Whoever's story wins out goes free, maybe. Whoever's doesn't could go to prison; though, as still hugely powerful people who know where a lot of bodies are buried, they both still have big protectors, so perhaps not.

Feel free to hold off on any opinions until the reports are made public, however. Some feel at least enough information is coming out through generally reliable sources to formulate some tentative opinions, but it is a responsible thing to do. You're right to be cautious about what you swallow.

Just this morning I was reading an article by the reporter McCabe reportedly authorized the leak of information to, and his rendering is very favorable to McCabe. (Also took the opportunity to throw a little gratuitous mud at Hillary, but hey, who doesn't?) Reading his take, one can only wonder why the investigation didn't commend McCabe for a job properly done instead of recommending he be fired. Maybe the IG, Horowitz, was just in a bad mood and decided to take it out on the #2 man at the FBI...?

Chew but don't swallow.

erronis

(14,941 posts)
33. And to make sure I understand your emphasis with "either".
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 10:00 PM
Mar 2018

Liberals shouldn't trust other liberals, either.

We come in lots of flavors and with lots of covers, some of them false.

I'll always wonder about my splendid other DUers too. It's become way too easy to game these platforms.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
41. Thats why I cant ever run for office
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 02:23 AM
Mar 2018

Conservatives harvest these sites for information. They probably have the time because so many are on welfare, but that’s another thread.

When I started posting here I had never planned to run for office, then realized that I had exposed enough information that I would never be able to run for office, so I kept posting stuff. Mostly true, even if edited or combined.

Oh, well, right? I can always knock on doors for someone I agree with.

I’ve seen enough trolls — and known enough in real life — to realize that there really are foreign operatives, conservative lunatics, shitlords, and straight up OG Internet trolls to know that forums are usually penetrated with at least some people who are there (or here) without good intentions.

Real life trolls have told me that infiltrating and fucking with liberal or conservative websites is equally easy, but paradoxically require similar and totally different skill sets. Both groups have subsets that are equally sensitive, but liberals tend to be more empathetic and conservatives tend to prefer assholes (not a big surprise to 95% of either liberals or conservatives).

erronis

(14,941 posts)
44. Please keep posting and knocking on doors. And run for office if you want.
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 08:35 AM
Mar 2018

I can't run for office either, thank gawd - for many of the same reasons. But I wouldn't want to and didn't ever think about it when I was energetic enough.

That is interesting about needing different skill sets to mess with different groups. They'll be sicking there AI bots on that problem. Sort of makes me wonder if there isn't a way to detect the artificiality with more AI. Cyberwars!

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
47. I specifically want to see the articles YOU referenced
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 02:35 PM
Mar 2018

You are making a bunch of claims about the conclusions of articles you have read. I would like to see the same articles.

If you can’t provide links just say so.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
51. It isnt a game. I want to read the articles myself and analyze them myself.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 07:05 PM
Mar 2018

I was trained as a researcher so that’s how I work.

Thanks for providing some links.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
49. It's important you continue to pass on the responsibility of citing sources to your claims.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 02:41 PM
Mar 2018

It's important you continue to pass on the responsibility of citing sources to your own claims. It certainly illustrates you as a man of convictions... or something.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
13. I can't help but wonder whether those career FBI people or the IG were pressured
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:30 PM
Mar 2018

in any way. McCabe's new lawyer is a former IG for the DoJ and he says the proper procedures were not followed. I understand that they are respected employees but even decent, honest people can succumb to pressure where their careers are involved. I don't know what the morale is like at the FBI but I have to believe it isn't good.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
19. FBI is PISSED.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:53 PM
Mar 2018

They are shocked by the fox talking points echoed at them by friends and family. They are very very upset and are just waking up to how bad the GOP is, how unamerican it is, and how its propaganda machine is willing to tell any lie in pursuit of power.


The fbi is very very pissed off.

rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
14. Career people worry about their pensions. McCabe is what would have happened to the others.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:41 PM
Mar 2018

Drumpf made it abundantly clear what the result he wanted was.

rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
16. I think the words were "lack of candor" which could mean he didn't volunteer something they
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:44 PM
Mar 2018

thought he should have and he thought he shouldn't. I imagine folks at the FBI are all a bit paranoid these days.

BigmanPigman

(51,430 posts)
22. New film out soon...
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:56 PM
Mar 2018

McCabe & Mrs. Miller (1971)
A gambler and a prostitute become business partners in a remote Old West mining town, and their enterprise thrives until a large corporation arrives on the scene.

McCabe and Mr. Mueller (2018)
A gambler and a porn star become sexual partners in a remote hotel suite, and their former relationship remains secret until a fired FBI agent and large investigation arrives on the scene.

 

Sam McGee

(347 posts)
32. Meanwhile, here's a Golden Oldie hit from yesteryear . . .
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 09:52 PM
Mar 2018

Remember DEEP THROAT who spilled the beans on Nixon's Watergate coverup?

He was the FBI Deputy Director. Just like McCabe.


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