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EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 12:06 PM Mar 2018

Naval Air: A Disaster Of Epic Proportions

"March 18, 2018:
In February 2018 the U.S. Navy confirmed that it had major problems with the design and construction of its new EMALS (Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System) catapult installed in its latest aircraft carrier; the USS Ford (CVN 78) and the three other Ford class carriers under construction. During sea trials the Ford used EMALS heavily, as would be the case in combat and training operations and found EMALS less reliable than the older steam catapult, more labor intensive to operate, put more stress on launched aircraft than expected and due to a basic design flaw if one EMALS catapult becomes inoperable, the other three catapults could not be used in the meantime as was the case with steam catapults. This meant that the older practice of taking one or more steam catapults off line for maintenance or repairs while at sea was not practical because the design of the EMALS system did not allow for it. The navy admitted that in combat if one or more catapults were rendered unusable they remained that way until it was possible to shut down all four catapults for repairs. The navy also asked for another delay in performing mandated shock tests, in which controlled explosions were set off near the hull that generated at least 66 percent of amount of force the ship was designed to handle. This would reveal what equipment was not sufficiently built or installed to handle shock and make changes as well as confirming that the hull can handle the stress overall. The navy wants to wait until the second Ford class carrier enters service in 2024 because, it admits, it is unsure how badly shock tests would damage new systems and design features. Meanwhile there are some other major shortcomings with the Fords, including electronics (the radars), the flight deck arresting gear and some of the elevators. But none of these are as serious as the malfunctioning catapults.

Some of the problems with EMALS were of the sort that could be fixed while the new ship was in service. That included tweaking EMALS operation to generate less stress on aircraft and modifying design of EMALS and reorganizing how sailors use the system to attain the smaller number of personnel required for catapult operations. But the fatal flaws involved reliability. An EMALS catapult was supposed to have a breakdown every 4,100 launches but in heavy use EMALS actually failed every 400 launches. By the end of 2017 the navy concluded that an EMALS equipped carrier had only a seven percent chance of successfully completing a typical four day “surge” (multiple catapult launches for a major combat operation) and only a 70 percent chance of completing a one day surge operation. That was because when one EMALS catapult went down all four were inoperable. In effect the Ford class carriers are much less capable of performing in combat than their predecessors.

With steam catapults when one went down the other three could continue to operate. With the EMALS even minor repairs or maintenance on one catapult means all four had to be out of service. The navy hopes they can come up with some kind of, as yet unknown, modifications to EMALS to fix all these problems. In the meantime the new Ford carrier is much less useful than older ones that use steam catapults. In fact the Ford class carriers are basically worthless, except for training of the non-flight crew (which cannot function without reliable catapults).

There are no easy solutions. For example it would cost over half a billion dollars to remove EMALS and install the older steam catapults. This would also take up to several years and lead to many other internal changes. The navy is now considering bringing a recently retired carrier back to active service as a stopgap because whatever the fix is it will not be quick or cheap. The most worrisome part of this is the apparent inability of navy ship building and design experts to come up with a solution for the problem they created. For the navy officers and civilian officials involved there is another problem. The current Secretary of Defense is a retired Marine Corps general who has a good idea of how the navy operates without being part of the navy (the Marine Corps and Navy are two separate services in the Department of the Navy). The marines have a well-deserved reputation for being less understanding about failure and in a situation like this a former marine general as Secretary of Defense is very bad news for the navy officers responsible for creating, sustaining and being unable to fix this EMALS disaster."

Ouch

https://strategypage.com/htmw/htnavai/articles/20180318.aspx

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Naval Air: A Disaster Of Epic Proportions (Original Post) EX500rider Mar 2018 OP
Our tax dollars at work. Zoonart Mar 2018 #1
The "more with less" concept strikes again? malthaussen Mar 2018 #2
Not really... Adrahil Mar 2018 #4
The article includes some older info... Adrahil Mar 2018 #3
Agreed. Work out this issues... Dennis Donovan Mar 2018 #5
Seems like a systemic problem, though. malthaussen Mar 2018 #6
I agree that issue seems serious... Adrahil Mar 2018 #7
Note, btw, I don't suggest scrapping the system. malthaussen Mar 2018 #8
I don't disagree... Adrahil Mar 2018 #10
"Seems like a systemic problem, though." EX500rider Mar 2018 #9
Navy shipbuilding has been a shitshow for the past two decades hardluck Mar 2018 #11
Well, crap. Trump will be bragging that he was right about this. Ilsa Mar 2018 #12

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
2. The "more with less" concept strikes again?
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 12:36 PM
Mar 2018

Military philosophy, especially in the Navy, has been geared towards doing "more with less" for some time now (and it is speculated that this philosophy contributed to the recent collisions in the Pacific and the resignation of the Commander of the 7th Fleet). From the article, it appears that a selling point for EMALS is using fewer seamen for catapult operations. Perhaps this contributes to the problem? Using electronics to replace hands?

-- Mal

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
4. Not really...
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 12:38 PM
Mar 2018

The old steam catapults ar labor intensive because you're basically running four setting of old fashioned boilers.... very work intensive.

The EMALS main advantage is that it does not require 4 hours of work ups before it's ready for a days service. It's ready basically instantly.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
3. The article includes some older info...
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 12:36 PM
Mar 2018

... and overstates the scope of the problem. The system does have teething issues, but it is the right way to go.

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
6. Seems like a systemic problem, though.
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 12:45 PM
Mar 2018

Inability to take one cat off-line would seem to have been a failure of design. (And, speaking from the perspective of a software designer, a pretty stupid one) And the article claims there is no quick fix, which would seem to indicate something greater than "teething" issues.

Yeah, all new tech is going to show problems in the work-up, that's why we bother to do work-ups. Of course, without access to the technical data, all those on the outside can do is wonder.

-- Mal

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
7. I agree that issue seems serious...
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 01:00 PM
Mar 2018

... though I suspect the issue is more complicated than presented.


FYI, I worked for 20 years in ALRE (Aircraft Launch and Recovery Equipment) including the earliest days of EMALS.

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
8. Note, btw, I don't suggest scrapping the system.
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 01:20 PM
Mar 2018

What bugs me is that systems are getting so complicated recently, possibly because so many contractors are involved, that new systems seem to have fundamental design problems. If we were facing a real and imminent threat, these kinds of failure to communicate might have some serious consequences.

-- Mal

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
10. I don't disagree...
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 01:42 PM
Mar 2018

A major complaint I have about s that government tends to completely outsource the technical aspects of program. IMO, NAVAIR needs to have more investment in writing the system requirements.

EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
9. "Seems like a systemic problem, though."
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 01:34 PM
Mar 2018

Yeah they touch on that in the article:

"The EMALS disaster calls into question the ability of the navy to handle new, untried, technologies. That is not a new problem and has been around since World War II. In retrospect not enough was done to test and address what are now obvious problems. The current solution is to delay the moment of truth as long as possible and then conclude that it was unclear exactly how it happened but that measures would be taken to see that it never happen again. That approach is wearing thin because more people are well aware that is just a cover for the corruption and mismanagement that has been developing within the industries that build warships. The U.S. Navy has been having a growing number of similar problems (the design of the LCS, the DDG 1000 and a lot of smaller systems)."

hardluck

(638 posts)
11. Navy shipbuilding has been a shitshow for the past two decades
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 02:23 PM
Mar 2018

They’ve sought revolutionary, “transformational” ships instead of a change a little, test a lot philosophy. It’s resulted in the LCS, DDG-1000 (a “destroyer” with the displacement of a battle cruiser and no main gun) and the ford class. Cost overruns, non functional ships, (not to mention minimal manning) has given us a “Tiffany” surface fleet.

The only bright spot has been the submarine fleet- the boats are being built on time and on budget.

Hopefully surface fleet gets its ass in gear with the new frigate - either a foreign design like the FREMM or a frigate based on the NSC.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
12. Well, crap. Trump will be bragging that he was right about this.
Sun Mar 18, 2018, 02:46 PM
Mar 2018

Even if he is proven wrong and EMALS is fixed and/or is already better than steam, he will say he is right.

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