Are there trump/chief traitor voters who are "reachable?"

[Eliot Rosewater]

Probably, but they dont need to be "reached" or convinced or talked nicely to, in order for them to do the right thing and vote for any Democrat.

If they are decent people, they dont need us to say anything to them and nothing we say could matter, they will do the right thing, period.

If I have to REACH out to you to get you not to vote for Hitler to continue in power or someone like him, then I simply cant reach that far.

[quartz007]

1. People look at the $1000 bonuses,

and look at the low unemployment rates and are fat and happy. They fail to understand the LONG TERM harm tRump is causing by eroding environment and proliferating war mentality all over the world.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Almost nobody got a bonus, unemployment is simply as low as it was under Obama and he is why

[quartz007]

11. Going by USA Today list,

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/01/26/did-your-company-pay-you-bonus-tax-savings-check-list/1065291001/


Alaska Airlines

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 19,000

American Airlines

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 130,000

Apple

Bonus: $2,500 in company stock

Employees getting bonus: most of 138,126 employees worldwide

AT&T

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 200,000

Bank of America

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 145,000

BB&T

Bonus: $1,200

Employees getting bonus: 27,000

Citizens Financial

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 12,500

Comcast

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 100,000

Comerica

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 4,500

Discover Financial Services

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 15,000

FedEx

Bonus: NA

Employees getting bonus: NA

Fifth Third Bank

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 13,500

Hartford Financial Services

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 9,500

Home Depot

Bonus: $200 to $1,000

Employees getting bonus: Vast majority of 40,000

Kansas City Southern

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 6,485

Navient

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 6,566

PNC Financial Services Group

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 47,500

Royal Caribbean

Bonus: Company stock equivalent to 5% of pay

Employees getting bonus: 66,000

Southwest Airlines

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 55,000

Starbucks

Bonus: $500 to $2,000 in company stock

Employees getting bonus: 150,000

Thermo Fisher Scientific

Bonus: $500

Employees getting bonus: N/A

Travelers Companies

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 14,000

Total System Services

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 11,500

U.S. Bancorp

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 60,000

Verizon

Bonus: 25 shares of company stock for part-time workers

50 shares of company stock for full-time workers

Based on Feb. 1 closing stock price

Employees getting bonus: 153,000

Walmart

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 40,000

Walt Disney

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus:125,000

Waste Management

Bonus: $2,000

Employees getting bonus: 34,000

Zions Bancorp

Bonus: $1,000

Employees getting bonus: 80% of workforce

[Eliot Rosewater]

13. Boy you sure have these pro trump figures handy, and that is of course not 80% of the workforce

These bonuses are meaningless.

GOP talking points actually.

[quartz007]

17. Actually the bonuses are very small

in comparison to what the corporations got, which is tax rate droppin to 21% from high 30's.

I don't think USA Today is a GOP shill. JMHO.

[Eliot Rosewater]

18. I didnt say USA Today is a GOP shill.

And why does your post still say 80% of the American workforce got a bonus??

[quartz007]

19. It was a 10 second search on Google,

and the USA Today link was near the top. I did not bother looking at the rest of them.

[Eliot Rosewater]

20. Why does it say 8 out of 10 American workers got bonuses?

[quartz007]

23. You will have to ask USA Today

There is no such mention anywhere in my post.
Have a great evening...I am ready to cook dinner.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

32. Cooking Borscht? nt

[quartz007]

33. Chicken stew...turned out pretty good!

Trick is to saute chicken pieces FIRST with just oil & fresh ginger. When nice and brown, juices get sealed in. Then add cubed onions, smashed garlic, carrot & potato pieces, jalapeno pepper, salt & black pepper, and chicken broth from can, and let it simmer for 45 minutes until potatoes become fork tender.

Makes excellent left-overs and tastes even better next day.

[Mariana]

26. I don't think it does say that.

That's a really shitty copy-paste job. I think it means to say 80% of Zions Bancorp employees, but it is unclear - perhaps deliberately so.

[Eliot Rosewater]

40. Seems so

[quartz007]

21. Read my post again, no 80% anywhere.

[Dem2]

24. Any idea how MINUSCULE that is compared to total number of companies that could give bonuses?

They did a breakdown in my state, it was laughable.

It almost seems like you're doing your best to boost up the other side. I find it odd.

[quartz007]

35. Read again, I said bonuses were small!

The additional profits from corporate tax rates dropping 39% to 21% is probably bigger by orders of magnitude than $1000 bonuses to employees combined. Main point is though that many workers did get bonuses and it was ubiquitous news on social media. Why say not many got those bonuses? I did not bother adding up the workers from the USA Today link, but it looks north of couple of million.

[Dem2]

39. "Many" did get bonuses.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/22/news/economy/tax-cuts-benefits-for-workers/index.html

I'm not sure where you read this stuff, but nobody I know talks about or got a bonus.

[quartz007]

41. I have not either........

but then I do not have friends in those LARGE corporations in the Bonus list, at the current time. I retired 20 years ago, and now my friends are mainly old golfers. But still, one should not make a statement such as "Almost nobody got a bonus" as by the OP.

When I did have jobs, my corporate employers rarely passed out windfall profits.

[Yavin4]

47. How many of those bonuses were already in the works?

Just publicly announced in order to boost the tax cut bullshit

[Dem2]

48. I used to get 10-15k bonuses every year

profit sharing, so this whole thing is company dependent and clearly eyewash that's been coordinated.

Like I said, NH business journal pretty much said it was a joke, since this state has almost no large companies. Stop making broad statements, it comes across as a promotion of this shitty policy - accidentally or not.

[brush]

38. Pls don't be fooled. A one-time bonus is peanuts that has probably been spent long ago.

If trump and the corporations really care about workers they would have gotten a permanent and significant raise that they saw in their paychecks every week/month.

Now that would be something.

[quartz007]

42. Solid point!!

Like I said in one of my posts above, Large Corporations received a "bonus" bigger by orders of magnitude due to huge reduction in corporate tax rates, than the sum of bonuses handed out.

And to reiterate your point, the tax rate reductions are permanent for corporations, but not for workers.

[Mariana]

22. But that's not what they hear on Fox News and RW radio.

Furthermore, if they did hear that on Fox News and RW radio, they'd say "Fake news!" and change the channel. These people don't care about reality. Their loyalty to Fox News, Limbaugh and the rest is paper-thin. It will vanish in a heartbeat if they ever give Obama credit for doing anything good, or criticize Trump in any way.

[Kath2]

3. Right.

I have given up on talk.

He seems to be self-destructing, anyway.

[Eliot Rosewater]

14. Right here in this thread I am getting bombarded with GOP talking points about trump

success.

Bombarded from one person, that is

[Kath2]

25. Jesus Christ!

I see it.

[bearsfootball516]

4. Yes, look at PA-18.

There were tens of thousands of Trump voters that turned Democratic.

I’m not saying we should focus our efforts on turning them, but they are there, and appear to be swingable with the right candidate.

[Eliot Rosewater]

7. My point is they dont need to be convinced not to support a nazi, if they do, they cant be

[quartz007]

36. Best post in this thread! +100...

[democratisphere]

5. The 30-35% of his base are a lost cause.

There are 15-20% that could swing to the Dems side for a huge win.

[LenaBaby61]

28. The 30-35% of his base are a lost cause.

AGREE.

There are a FEW who can be reasoned with and reached.

BUT, that insane, deplorable, racist 30-35% are a lost cause.

[bettyellen]

29. I think a small percentage could be moved by one on one conversations w white male neighbors or pals

Online? Nope, they’re all entrenched in bullshit. And as a strategy for the party- way too much to ask for the majority of activists and volunteers who are largely the women and POC that they hate. It could help if more of these dudes show up though. Too many decided to distance themselves from “identity politics” and have left us twisting in the wind.

[JI7]

6. EXACTLY, if they are not bigots and they support common sense shit

They would support democrats for the same reason everyone does.

[Eliot Rosewater]

9. This whole "give me a reason to vote for..." way too familiar.

[Cary]

8. Republicans have proven themselves to be venal and craven

Beyond any doubt.

We outnumber them. We just need to vote and we win.

[Eliot Rosewater]

10. Odd that we even have to have that discussion, isnt it.

[Poiuyt]

12. I think a better approach is to get people who didn't vote in the last

election.

The majority of republicans will vote for trump in 2020 just because he's not a Democrat. But there are a lot of new voters, and the demographics of America is changing. We need to energize these potential Democrats.

[Eliot Rosewater]

15. Energize? If they need to be energized, something is very very wrong

If so that means we need more advertising dollars exposing the nazis in the wh

[jodymarie aimee]

16. whenever folks say HRC lost here in Wisconsin

because she ignored us...that is nuts....when in the hell did you vote for President based on if you shook their hand? I never met McGovern, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and I still figured out how to vote for them. I did meet Obama....but didn't need to for my vote. We aren't babies.....

[Chemisse]

27. People shouldn't need to be "reached."

Either they are going to vote for the Trumpites or they will vote for the Dems. They need to decide.

If they are stupid enough to continue to support Trump, there is nothing we can do or say that will change that.

I think there are many who voted for Trump out of a sense of rebellion against Clinton and the status quo. I'm sure they have seen the error of their ways; they don't need anyone to hold their hands.

[crazycatlady]

30. Here's the thing

(Campaign staffer who does a lot of targeting work).

When campaigns decide who they want to reach, there's patterns that are used. Your vote is private so we have no idea who you voted for in a general election. In fact the only way we know who you voted for was in an uncontested primary, as our software says which primary (D, R) you voted in. The only other thing we know about your vote is how you voted (early, absentee, in person, etc).

In most districts, you can't win on just registered Democrats (if there are any as many states have no partisan registration). You need the unaffiliated voters, and in some cases some GOP voters.

So if you just take unaffiliated voters who voted in the general (November) election, you will get some Trump voters on there. It is unavoidable.

[leftstreet]

34. Interesting

I wondered about that - states (like mine) with no partisan registration - how campaign staffers could possibly set up strategies. Can't be easy

[crazycatlady]

43. It is both a blessing and a curse

But in states with partisan registration, it is equally difficult. You get people who registered to vote 30+ years ago and don't have the same political opinions now as they do then. In this case there's hard/soft Dems/GOP. Hard=consistent primary voter and soft=non primary voter.

In states like these, unaffiliated is fair game.

In nonpartisan states with open primaries, you can at least get a feel for where they stand by looking at the primary history. Of course I know many people in such states who ratfuck the GOP primary. If campaigns share data (or it is archived properly) the system will sometimes guess partisanship. (Ie if you told a 2016 volunteer you were supporting Trump, you might show up as soft GOP). But not all states archive previous data (or campaigns share it). That's above my pay grade.

[oxbow]

31. Different things reach different people

Read all the people on Twitter who turned against him after he made it easier for big-game hunters to bring their “trophies” into the US. Even if they are a card-carrying member of cult45, they will still have something they care about in the world. A beloved pet, a grandparent who can’t get decent healthcare, a brother who is gay, a husband who never got the well-paying job he was promised over a year ago now.

This administration has screwed everybody but the ultra rich and powerful, so there should be no shortage of enemies. The real issue is RW media, and how hard it makes it to have a discussion about the actual facts.

[Blue_true]

37. Don't waste time on Trump voters or Our Revolution people.

It is a fucking waste of time. Focus instead on motivating our side and get some of the non participating 43% to come out and help us save the country.

[Takket]

44. "they will do the right thing"

Absolutely right. I'm not licking any of their asses and neither should our Dem leaders. There are enough votes out there without begging deplorables for help.

[Gothmog]

45. No

[Laura PourMeADrink]

46. No..think we got them all - If they were half sane. The ones I know are

saying this about his antics : "He's from the business/celebrity world - he acts differently." And, still - "He's better than Hillary would have been"

I live deep, deep, in the Red State..."help me ! "