Pro-Bernie Sanders group cancels Hillary Clinton protest

[DonViejo]

MAR 19 2018, 1:38 PM ET

by ALEX SEITZ-WALD

WASHINGTON — A pro-Bernie Sanders group has canceled an anti-Hillary Clinton protest, its organizer told NBC News on Monday.

The event, created by the leader of a local chapter of Our Revolution, prompted backlash from Clinton allies, leading Sanders' top adviser to condemn it and disassociate his boss from the group, which grew out of Sanders presidential campaign.

The episode shows that, two years later, Democrats still can’t quite shake the ghost of 2016 and the hard-fought presidential primary between Clinton and Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont. And it's another demonstration of the challenges Sanders faces in leading a movement that acts in his name but is often beyond his control — even as he reportedly prepares for a second presidential bid in 2020.

Ellen Faden said she had no idea her protest would cause such an uproar.

The founder of the Hazlet, New Jersey, chapter of Our Revolution objected to the fact that Rutgers University is paying Clinton $25,000 for an upcoming speech, so she thought she'd use the event to make a point about money in politics.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/democrats-vs-trump/pro-bernie-sanders-group-cancels-anti-hillary-clinton-protest-n857926

[MrsCoffee]

1. She had no idea my ass.

Not going to comment further.

[OnDoutside]

35. +1

[riversedge]

39. Here is a tweet advocating the protest.....

I saw several of them on twitter this weekend.

Link to tweet

[NCTraveler]

2. They didn't need to try to get it off the ground before realize how stupid it is.

Special people. Really special people. Note that they canceled the protest. They are still breathing and haven't gone anywhere.

[NCTraveler]

3. Dear Ellen Faden....

HA Goodman and the "Sane Progressive" are none to happy that it's been canceled. Your friends and great progressives were really excited about this event.

[UCmeNdc]

18. Maybe they should spend their time actually protesting the people in power... Namely the Republicans

Why don't they focus on Paul Ryan and his district?

Maybe take on Mitch McConnell?

[Trumpocalypse]

24. Sane Progressive

is about as sane as Trump and Alex Jones.

[NCTraveler]

27. She has gone full blown Alex Jones. nt.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

7. Wait. What?

[LanternWaste]

16. Only five of your six allegations were inaccurate.

Only five of your six allegations were inaccurate.

Not too shabby at all...

[Iliyah]

5. I would think they would do better if they protested the actual

opposition, ummmmmmmmm, let's say t-rump and his cronies and the GOPs.

[CentralMass]

9. Well there is a lot of that going around.

[NewJeffCT]

6. Glad they're focused on the important issues

and not Trump, complicit Republicans in Congress and hostile foreign powers hacking our elections and our nuclear power plants.

[CentralMass]

8. Good.

[Johnny2X2X]

10. Facebook

But misinformation on Facebook has nothing to do with Bernie supporters according to many here.

[MineralMan]

11. Smart move.

[Afromania]

12. These people are pathetic. They have their heads shoved so far up their asses they really and truly

Believe the shit they pushed about this woman. She not the head of a secret cabal or anything. She's just an ex candidate trying to live her life.

[NurseJackie]

13. "Ellen Faden said she had no idea her protest would cause such an uproar." LOL! (and BULLSHIT!)

Ellen Faden said she had no idea her protest would cause such an uproar.

The founder of the Hazlet, New Jersey, chapter of Our Revolution objected to the fact that Rutgers University is paying Clinton $25,000 for an upcoming speech, so she thought she'd use the event to make a point about money in politics.

Ms Faden isn't too bright, is she? I guess she doesn't understand that Hillary Clinton is a PRIVATE CITIZEN. Why is she stalking a private citizen?

[John Fante]

14. Is this a sign that people are wising up to this divisive Bernie or Bust

propaganda? I hope so.

[comradebillyboy]

15. Ellen Faden is still going to organize her protest but she will

pretend that it has nothing to do with OR. OR and the Sanders camp were ok with the anti-Hillary protest until it got too much bad publicity and the blow back threatened to embarrass Bernie.

[NurseJackie]

37. Looks like she has as much tact and political savvy as Westboro Baptist Church...

... she'll soon discover that trolling for headlines, pissing off Democrats, and smearing Hillary will NOT have the desired effect. (Assuming that the desired effect is to do something productive.)

So this Ellen Fadden... what is she... like, sixteen or so?

[comradebillyboy]

38. She has certainly gotten more attention than she bargained for.

Only she can determine if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

[democratisphere]

17. HRC has moved on. Time for Bernie to follow and do the same.

[klook]

29. Please post evidence that Bernie Sanders had squat to do with this protest. (nt)

[democratisphere]

40. Said nothing about that. Bernie needs to make way for viable younger dynamic candidates.

[Demsrule86]

43. It is group and he has appeared at their rallies...thus he is involved. He needs to disavow them.

[DFW]

19. I have to wonder about the accuracy of the designation

IS "Our Revolution" indeed still truly a "pro-Bernie Sanders group" if it, as the article points out, "acts in his name but is often beyond his control." The anti-Hillary action seems to be this group taking advantage of Bernie's name, not acting in his name.

This action fizzled only because Sanders' people found out about it. Otherwise, they would have shamelessly carried out their disruption in Sanders' name, leaving him to issue weak denials after the fact that only a few people would even bother to listen to (The Senator denies all knowledge of the action, which he condemns, blah blah blah) .

Kudos to Sanders' staff for stopping this action before it turned into yet another Fox-covered "I-Hate-Hillary" story....

[Hassin Bin Sober]

20. No, you see, Bernie is personally responsible for not immediately putting a stop to this at...

... 8pm on a Sunday evening!!!

[DFW]

23. I know, I get it

The Blame Game has its amateur league and it has its Major League, and no one is immune from being unjustly (and unknowingly) used as a lame excuse, including Sanders.

[OnDoutside]

36. Useful idiots allowing plausible deniability seems to be the phrase that is most apt.

[Aristus]

21. ...

Ellen Faden said she had no idea her protest would cause such an uproar.

That level of political tone-deafness is just proof that she shouldn't lead anything...

[lunamagica]

22. GOOOD!

[Laurian]

25. "Dividing Democrats"..... uh, no.

Sanders is NOT a Democrat! Damn, I'm so tired of this narrative. If anyone who chose Bernie over the Democratic nominee, needs to just look at The result. Then, go away.

[CentralMass]

34. if you want to look at it by the numbers I would argue that Sanders primary voters were more loyal

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to the party and put party above their candiate then dem primary supporters of past elections.

A quick mention that I voted for Bill twice, voted for and vehemently defended Hillary in 2008, and after voting for Bernie in the primary voted for Hillary in the general this time.

The numbers would support a strong argument that Sander's primary voters, by a 2:1 margin voted for Hillary over the the number of Hillary voters who voted for Senator Obama in 2008 after Hillary lost. I did vote for Senator Obama despite my entrenchment. I would suggest that if you want to look at an immovable object, find a Hillary supporter, and I speak with some experience.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/?sw_bypass=true&utm_term=.62f06b837207

The executive summary is that by at least a 2:1 margin Hillary voters voted for McCain in 2008 vs the Sanders voters who voted for Trump in 2016. It also cited that "Perhaps the most important feature of Sanders-Trump voters is this: They weren’t really Democrats to begin with."


"How many Sanders voters voted for Donald Trump?

Two surveys estimate that 12 percent of Sanders voters voted for Trump. A third survey suggests it was 6 percent.

First, the political scientist Brian Schaffner analyzed the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, which was conducted by YouGov and interviewed 64,600 Americans in October-November 2016. In that survey, Schaffner found that 12 percent of people who voted in the primary and reported voting for Sanders also voted in November and reported voting for Trump."


Schaffner examined only voters whose turnout in the primary and general election could be validated using voter file data. This excludes people who said they voted but actually did not — although it also excludes people who voted in caucuses or party-run primaries, for which validated turnout data are not as readily available.

Hillary Voters in 2008
"Another useful comparison is to 2008, when the question was whether Clinton supporters would vote for Barack Obama or John McCain (R-Ariz.) Based on data from the 2008 Cooperative Campaign Analysis Project, a YouGov survey that also interviewed respondents multiple times during the campaign, 24 percent of people who supported Clinton in the primary as of March 2008 then reported voting for McCain in the general election.

An analysis of a different 2008 survey by the political scientists Michael Henderson, Sunshine Hillygus and Trevor Thompson produced a similar estimate: 25 percent. (Unsurprisingly, Clinton voters who supported McCain were more likely to have negative views of African Americans, relative to those who supported Obama.)

Thus, the 6 percent or 12 percent of Sanders supporters who may have supported Trump does not look especially large in comparison with these other examples."

"What kinds of Sanders voters supported Trump?

Perhaps the most important feature of Sanders-Trump voters is this: They weren’t really Democrats to begin with.

Of course, we know that many Sanders voters did not readily identify with the Democratic Party as of 2016, and Schaffner found that Sanders-Trump voters were even less likely to identify as Democrats. Sanders-Trump voters didn’t much approve of Obama either.

In fact, this was true well before 2016. In the VOTER Survey, we know how Sanders-Trump voters voted in 2012, based on an earlier interview in November 2012. Only 35 percent of them reported voting for Obama, compared with 95 percent of Sanders-Clinton voters. In other words, Sanders-Trump voters were predisposed to support Republicans in presidential general elections well before Trump’s candidacy."

[Old Terp]

26. Not my Revolution

I support the Democratic Party and their members (some more than others). Independents, Greens and such should not come this way for support in their attacks, especially on my Hillary.

[Trust Buster]

28. So, on the one hand Cambridge Analytica uses their database to suppress our vote.

While, on the other hand, Sanders refuses to share his database with Democrats tp get out the vote. Does this scream victory to you folks ?

[Dave Starsky]

30. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

There is only one thing that anyone needs to know: the guy currently occupying the White House is one of the greediest, craziest, most evil, and, above all, STUPIDEST (willfully ignorant!) people that ever held any public office... ever. I sensed this strongly about him prior to the election. I KNOW it now.

I voted for Bernie in the primary. I liked his ideas a lot and preferred him to the "business as usual" Hillary. Bernie didn't win that primary, though, and Hillary was deemed the candidate. She had a tremendous amount of great experience and was a great choice. Her opponent in the general election, on the other hand, would be a fiend spat from the Mouth of Hell. And so I voted for Hillary, enthusiastically, without hesitation.

This was not a hard decision for me to make. It shouldn't be, for anyone. Everyone has an instinct for self preservation. And yet there are people who are easily led, and other people who are just as eager to use them to "divide and conquer" those they oppose.

[bronxiteforever]

31. FYI Snooki was paid 32,000 for speaking at Rutgers

The star of Jersey Shore gave this advice-“study hard but party harder”

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/snookis_advice_to_rutgers_stud.html

[Voltaire2]

32. So after condemning the national org

of Our Revolution for not stepping in and disciplining this local chapter, we are now condemning the nation organization of Our Revolution for stepping in and disciplining this local chapter.

Have I got that right?

[Demsrule86]

42. Did you read the article and consider how divisive this move was...Our Revolution can fuck off as

far as I am concerned. But I felt that way before this... I know who they are-Democratic Party haters.

[peggysue2]

33. Somebody finally got the message . . .

that this 'protest' was a really stupid, adolescent thing to call. And sorry, the excuse was even more lame--Hillary Clinton single-handedly was going to harm middle and lower-class citizens by accepting a $25,000 speaking fee. That would be Hillary Clinton, private citizen, who has the right to accept pay for work and performance.

Because of the stink, they called it a day. I'll give that a one-handed ovation.

[Demsrule86]

41. They paid a private citizen for a speech...it has nothing to do with money in politics...still

not supporting Our Revolution.