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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/nancy-pelosi-is-good-at-her-job-and-she-should-keep-it.htmlMarch 16, 2018 11:50 am
Nancy Pelosi Is Good at Her Job and She Should Keep It.
By Jonathan Chait
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Would a different Democratic leader prove less of a liability? Probably for a while, yes. Republicans have spent years building up Pelosi as a hate figure, and a newer and less familiar Democratic leader would take longer for Republicans to promote as a target of fear and loathing. Its also possible that a Democrat who was either from a less famously progressive locale than San Francisco, or not female, would be less threatening to some socially conservative voters. (The latter point is the most fraught: Do Democrats really want to let irrational fear of powerful women dictate their choice of leaders?) It is true, though, that deposing Pelosi would have at least a temporary messaging benefit in some tough districts this fall.
But the cost of throwing Pelosi over the side would be high. She has been an extraordinarily effective caucus leader. When last held the majority, she shepherded into law the most aggressive spate of liberal reforms since the Great Society: an $800 billion fiscal stimulus, health-care reform, Dodd-Frank. The House passed a cap and trade law at a time when bipartisan support for the idea still had some life in the Senate.
It might seem tempting to dismiss these feats as automatic, the baseline expectation for what a leader can do when her party commands a majority. It is not. During many of these fights, Democrats were wandering off in multiple directions, as Democrats are wont to do. In particular, after Republican Scott Brown won a special election in Massachusetts in January 2010, many if not most Democrats collapsed into despair. Pelosi kept her nerve, talked her party off the ledge, and passed a bill that was signed into law.
If you want a picture of what the ineffective marshaling of a majority looks like, remember the repeated instances in which John Boehner tried to bring bills to the floor only to suffer humiliating defeats. Having a leader who can figure out which bills can get 218 votes is not something to take for granted.
Pelosis Democratic critics include both the left and right flanks of the party (which is itself a sign that she occupies its center). Attacks on her leadership try to simultaneously attack her as too moderate and too liberal, in an attempt to cobble together both irreconcilable strands. In part to cover up the incoherence of the criticism, the complaint is often expressed in vague generational terms. She is too old, and ought to give way to the new generation. (Whether this new generation will be more moderate or more liberal is a question that can be filled in as one desires.)
Yet there is zero sign Pelosis age has impeded her work. She has not lost her persuasive talents: Pelosi effectively rallied the party to unanimously oppose the Trump tax cuts. If some Democrats had supported the measure, Republicans could have touted its bipartisan nature, which would in turn help reduce its unpopularity. Instead the health care and tax cuts have been a millstone around Republican necks. (Republicans initially tried attacking Conor Lamb for opposing the tax cuts, but abandoned that message, a telling concession in a heavily Republican district.) Last month, Pelosi delivered an eight-hour speech defending the Dreamers, standing the entire time, in heels, without a break, a feat of stamina I could not have matched at any point in my life. It may have been a stunt to display her vitality, but it was a convincing one.
Replacing Pelosi as leader would create the ephemeral benefit of forcing Republicans to rotate in a new cast of villains to star in their attack ads MS-13? hippies? antifa? until they could build up the name-ID for her successor. It would bring the significant downside of firing an elected official who is extremely good at her extremely important job.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)This hasnt been a conversation about ideology or impact. Simply an excercise in deviciveness by people whose feelings are still hurt by how bad she beat Tim Ryan. The economic anxiety crew.
Rebuttals shouldnt be necessary but I get why they are.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)After all that has and is going on with trump et al and folks don't like Pelosi? They are totally blind to what is imprortant and what a great leader she was, is & will be.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Damn her...though I can guarantee Ryan, the corporatist, would have no such qualms.
samnsara
(17,616 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Prior to elections it's just a shit stirring distraction to publically talk about or try to force the issue.
That said, I would assume (or hope) that they're figuring out the best options to replace her, and strategies going forward. Despite her vitality, she's still 78 years old. It's a time where any decline could be sudden and quick.
babylonsister
(171,056 posts)My dad is 90 and sharp as a tack.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)PDittie
(8,322 posts)And if she doesn't lose her seat, I hope when the Dems retake the House, they follow Conor Lamb's lead and pick a new leader.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)calimary
(81,210 posts)to understand about that?
Piss-ant Paul Ryan, AND John Boehner before him couldnt even keep track of what the votes were on that accursed side of the aisle! They got rolled every time! Nancy never let that happen.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)If we lose because of this happening now, I will question what exactly is it that some folks don't get?
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Allow the Democratic members of the U.S. House choose their leader,
instead of telling them who shall lead them.
It's the democratic way.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Progressive dog
(6,900 posts)and should keep it.
I think that it is badge of honor to be falsely accused by those who helped elect a lying, ignorant psychopath to the White House. Trump is the first President to not even pay lip service to the Constitution and now some (Democrats?) spend time trying to replace Nancy Pelosi because the psychopath's zealots don't like her.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)men saying they "don't like her."
Go Nancy!
calimary
(81,210 posts)with brains, accomplishments, and/or effective leadership skills still have to deal with. Its really a shame.
Dammit! Its so damn discouraging sometimes! Every time Im tempted to think weve come a long way, or weve pulled ourselves out of the muck of ignorance and idiocy and grown up a little, I see myself proven wrong. I had the same hopes for America when Barack Obamas was elected President. How far wevecome How America has grown up, turned a page, closed a shameful chapter in our history, gotten OVER IT. And Man-oh-man was I ever wrong.
So discouraging and disheartening. We havent grown up, as a nation. We havent grown out of it or gotten over it or moved past it. Were NOT there. Were not only not there, were nowhere near there. SMH
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)oasis
(49,376 posts)exceptional leaders to the curb.
ffr
(22,669 posts)Fla Dem
(23,649 posts)The fact that she is a target of the Republicans and RW jackasses is more than proof enough that she is a thorn in their side, that she is effective and they would like nothing better than to have her replaced with someone less capable.
Look at SC Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Still going strong at 85. Anyone advocating here she should step down? No? I thought as much.
As far as I'm concerned Nancy Pelosi can stay as Democratic Leader until her last dying breath.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,406 posts)This "Pelosi must stand down/step aside" nonsense needs to be shut down hard. To me, somebody is using this to try to stir things up among the Democratic Party in advance of the 2018 midterms. Of course, if the House Democratic Caucus wants to have a discussion about it when they vote for a new (hopefully, majority) leader in the next Congress and want to put up a new candidate for leadership to challenge her, that's their prerogative but, under no circumstances, should anybody BUT Nancy Pelosi make the decision for her to voluntarily step down/stand aside as leader and certainly NOT for some of the bogus reasons we've been hearing recently.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Running against her is not a young, new blood leader.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It is however, a consistent argument against her used by far too many people who are unable to support their premise with objective evidence.
I quite certain though, your concern against ageism has also been consistent, and all we need do is review previous discussions in regards to her run to see this inclination of yours illustrated.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)The fact we have not been the Majority in years does.
The fact that Paul Ryan is Majority Leader makes me sick,
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)That man looks as old as Nancy
PDittie
(8,322 posts)... you can excuse me for calling him a ..."
"Well, I'm a woman so excuse me for calling her a ...."
If you choose to disagree with their ideas, then you're on the right track.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)I disagree with their ideas.
I remember generational changes. I think we need one now!
How is that?
Just my opinion,you understand.feel free to correct me.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)but given a choice between ideology and a ... census demographic, shall we say ...
... I'll roll with ideas I agree with and believe in every single time. Pelosi simply hasn't demonstrated much that I can agree with over the course of her tenure. She gives lip service to support of the DREAMers, to use one recent example, but can't seem to manage getting that support legislated. This squanders all the goodwill she built up from her filibuster last month.
While House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and other Democratic leaders had hinged their support for last months budget caps deal on a commitment from Republicans to consider legislation salvaging the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, theyve signaled they wont hold a similar line heading into next weeks expected vote on an omnibus spending bill.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/378881-democratic-leaders-pull-back-hard-line-immigration-demand
Why, I'm so old I remember when she took impeachment of W Bush off the table.
And maybe you remember when she suggested to Barack Obama in 2008 that he pick Chet Edwards as his running mate. I certainly do.
Don't get me wrong; she's done a lot of good over the years, but maybe it's time for someone else to take the lead. (This is much more in disagreement with the OP's link than it is with you.)
bigtree
(85,986 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)And he has indicated that if she still wants it, he will not oppose Pelosi.
But, he also seems interested in the position if she decides to step down from leadership.