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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 06:57 AM Mar 2018

Nancy Pelosi Is Good at Her Job and She Should Keep It.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/nancy-pelosi-is-good-at-her-job-and-she-should-keep-it.html

March 16, 2018 11:50 am
Nancy Pelosi Is Good at Her Job and She Should Keep It.
By Jonathan Chait

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Would a different Democratic leader prove less of a liability? Probably for a while, yes. Republicans have spent years building up Pelosi as a hate figure, and a newer and less familiar Democratic leader would take longer for Republicans to promote as a target of fear and loathing. It’s also possible that a Democrat who was either from a less famously progressive locale than San Francisco, or not female, would be less threatening to some socially conservative voters. (The latter point is the most fraught: Do Democrats really want to let irrational fear of powerful women dictate their choice of leaders?) It is true, though, that deposing Pelosi would have at least a temporary messaging benefit in some tough districts this fall.

But the cost of throwing Pelosi over the side would be high. She has been an extraordinarily effective caucus leader. When last held the majority, she shepherded into law the most aggressive spate of liberal reforms since the Great Society: an $800 billion fiscal stimulus, health-care reform, Dodd-Frank. The House passed a cap and trade law at a time when bipartisan support for the idea still had some life in the Senate.

It might seem tempting to dismiss these feats as automatic, the baseline expectation for what a leader can do when her party commands a majority. It is not. During many of these fights, Democrats were wandering off in multiple directions, as Democrats are wont to do. In particular, after Republican Scott Brown won a special election in Massachusetts in January 2010, many if not most Democrats collapsed into despair. Pelosi kept her nerve, talked her party off the ledge, and passed a bill that was signed into law.

If you want a picture of what the ineffective marshaling of a majority looks like, remember the repeated instances in which John Boehner tried to bring bills to the floor only to suffer humiliating defeats. Having a leader who can figure out which bills can get 218 votes is not something to take for granted.

Pelosi’s Democratic critics include both the left and right flanks of the party (which is itself a sign that she occupies its center). Attacks on her leadership try to simultaneously attack her as too moderate and too liberal, in an attempt to cobble together both irreconcilable strands. In part to cover up the incoherence of the criticism, the complaint is often expressed in vague generational terms. She is too old, and ought to give way to the new generation. (Whether this new generation will be more moderate or more liberal is a question that can be filled in as one desires.)

Yet there is zero sign Pelosi’s age has impeded her work. She has not lost her persuasive talents: Pelosi effectively rallied the party to unanimously oppose the Trump tax cuts. If some Democrats had supported the measure, Republicans could have touted its bipartisan nature, which would in turn help reduce its unpopularity. Instead the health care and tax cuts have been a millstone around Republican necks. (Republicans initially tried attacking Conor Lamb for opposing the tax cuts, but abandoned that message, a telling concession in a heavily Republican district.) Last month, Pelosi delivered an eight-hour speech defending the Dreamers, standing the entire time, in heels, without a break, a feat of stamina I could not have matched at any point in my life. It may have been a stunt to display her vitality, but it was a convincing one.

Replacing Pelosi as leader would create the ephemeral benefit of forcing Republicans to rotate in a new cast of villains to star in their attack ads — MS-13? hippies? antifa? — until they could build up the name-ID for her successor. It would bring the significant downside of firing an elected official who is extremely good at her extremely important job.
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Nancy Pelosi Is Good at Her Job and She Should Keep It. (Original Post) babylonsister Mar 2018 OP
I will guarantee she wont run for it if we get the majority. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #1
Reality blind DownriverDem Mar 2018 #11
She Hurt Someone's Feelings By Beating The In An Election? Me. Mar 2018 #26
Pelosi was referred to as one of the best S'sOTH... samnsara Mar 2018 #2
Calling for her to give up the position now is stupid Bradical79 Mar 2018 #3
I refuse to bank on ill health. babylonsister Mar 2018 #4
Women are less susceptable to age-related issues than men. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #10
I'm glad she's getting primaried from the left PDittie Mar 2018 #5
Why? Is a Rep being very, very good at her job an issue for some in CA? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #9
So annoying! Shes EFFECTIVE. What the hell is so hard calimary Mar 2018 #16
I'm not glad DownriverDem Mar 2018 #14
... LexVegas Mar 2018 #24
Here's an idea left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #6
Imagine that! ehrnst Mar 2018 #12
Nancy Pelosi has been good at her job Progressive dog Mar 2018 #7
Yes. And she infuriates her detractors with her confidence and cool in the face of ehrnst Mar 2018 #8
She faces the same stupid bullshit a lot of women calimary Mar 2018 #20
One step up and two steps back... (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #21
Pelosi, HRC and Franken. Democrats are continually asked to kick their oasis Mar 2018 #13
We need more like here. Quick, someone clone her genes. ffr Mar 2018 #15
Nancy Pelosi has been and will be continue to be a great Leader. Fla Dem Mar 2018 #17
+1000 Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2018 #18
That old man True Blue American Mar 2018 #19
That's rather ageist PDittie Mar 2018 #23
It is however, a consistent argument against her used by far too many... LanternWaste Mar 2018 #25
Nancys age does not bother me. True Blue American Mar 2018 #28
Well I am old so you can excuse me!:) True Blue American Mar 2018 #27
"Well, I'm black so... PDittie Mar 2018 #29
Ok:) True Blue American Mar 2018 #30
I don't disagree with that PDittie Mar 2018 #32
k&r bigtree Mar 2018 #22
The only challenge I would accept is from Schiff. Tatiana Mar 2018 #31
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
1. I will guarantee she wont run for it if we get the majority.
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:01 AM
Mar 2018

This hasn’t been a conversation about ideology or impact. Simply an excercise in deviciveness by people whose feelings are still hurt by how bad she beat Tim Ryan. The “economic anxiety” crew.

Rebuttals shouldn’t be necessary but I get why they are.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
11. Reality blind
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:32 AM
Mar 2018

After all that has and is going on with trump et al and folks don't like Pelosi? They are totally blind to what is imprortant and what a great leader she was, is & will be.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
26. She Hurt Someone's Feelings By Beating The In An Election?
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 12:22 PM
Mar 2018

Damn her...though I can guarantee Ryan, the corporatist, would have no such qualms.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
3. Calling for her to give up the position now is stupid
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:53 AM
Mar 2018

Prior to elections it's just a shit stirring distraction to publically talk about or try to force the issue.

That said, I would assume (or hope) that they're figuring out the best options to replace her, and strategies going forward. Despite her vitality, she's still 78 years old. It's a time where any decline could be sudden and quick.

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
5. I'm glad she's getting primaried from the left
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 08:44 AM
Mar 2018
https://jaffe4congress.com/

And if she doesn't lose her seat, I hope when the Dems retake the House, they follow Conor Lamb's lead and pick a new leader.

calimary

(81,210 posts)
16. So annoying! Shes EFFECTIVE. What the hell is so hard
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:57 AM
Mar 2018

to understand about that?

Piss-ant Paul Ryan, AND John Boehner before him couldn’t even keep track of what the votes were on that accursed side of the aisle! They got rolled every time! Nancy never let that happen.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
14. I'm not glad
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:34 AM
Mar 2018

If we lose because of this happening now, I will question what exactly is it that some folks don't get?

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
6. Here's an idea
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 08:45 AM
Mar 2018

Allow the Democratic members of the U.S. House choose their leader,
instead of telling them who shall lead them.

It's the democratic way.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
7. Nancy Pelosi has been good at her job
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:05 AM
Mar 2018

and should keep it.
I think that it is badge of honor to be falsely accused by those who helped elect a lying, ignorant psychopath to the White House. Trump is the first President to not even pay lip service to the Constitution and now some (Democrats?) spend time trying to replace Nancy Pelosi because the psychopath's zealots don't like her.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
8. Yes. And she infuriates her detractors with her confidence and cool in the face of
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:25 AM
Mar 2018

men saying they "don't like her."

Go Nancy!

calimary

(81,210 posts)
20. She faces the same stupid bullshit a lot of women
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 10:07 AM
Mar 2018

with brains, accomplishments, and/or effective leadership skills still have to deal with. It’s really a shame.

Dammit! It’s so damn discouraging sometimes! Every time I’m tempted to think we’ve come a long way, or we’ve pulled ourselves out of the muck of ignorance and idiocy and grown up a little, I see myself proven wrong. I had the same hopes for America when Barack Obama’s was elected President. How far we’vecome How America has grown up, turned a page, closed a shameful chapter in our history, gotten OVER IT. And Man-oh-man was I ever wrong.

So discouraging and disheartening. We haven’t grown up, as a nation. We haven’t grown out of it or gotten over it or moved past it. We’re NOT there. We’re not only not there, we’re nowhere near there. SMH

oasis

(49,376 posts)
13. Pelosi, HRC and Franken. Democrats are continually asked to kick their
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:34 AM
Mar 2018

exceptional leaders to the curb.

Fla Dem

(23,649 posts)
17. Nancy Pelosi has been and will be continue to be a great Leader.
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 10:04 AM
Mar 2018

The fact that she is a target of the Republicans and RW jackasses is more than proof enough that she is a thorn in their side, that she is effective and they would like nothing better than to have her replaced with someone less capable.

Look at SC Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Still going strong at 85. Anyone advocating here she should step down? No? I thought as much.

As far as I'm concerned Nancy Pelosi can stay as Democratic Leader until her last dying breath.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
18. +1000
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 10:05 AM
Mar 2018

This "Pelosi must stand down/step aside" nonsense needs to be shut down hard. To me, somebody is using this to try to stir things up among the Democratic Party in advance of the 2018 midterms. Of course, if the House Democratic Caucus wants to have a discussion about it when they vote for a new (hopefully, majority) leader in the next Congress and want to put up a new candidate for leadership to challenge her, that's their prerogative but, under no circumstances, should anybody BUT Nancy Pelosi make the decision for her to voluntarily step down/stand aside as leader and certainly NOT for some of the bogus reasons we've been hearing recently.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
25. It is however, a consistent argument against her used by far too many...
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 12:08 PM
Mar 2018

It is however, a consistent argument against her used by far too many people who are unable to support their premise with objective evidence.

I quite certain though, your concern against ageism has also been consistent, and all we need do is review previous discussions in regards to her run to see this inclination of yours illustrated.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
28. Nancys age does not bother me.
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 01:20 PM
Mar 2018

The fact we have not been the Majority in years does.

The fact that Paul Ryan is Majority Leader makes me sick,

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
29. "Well, I'm black so...
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 04:09 PM
Mar 2018

... you can excuse me for calling him a ..."



"Well, I'm a woman so excuse me for calling her a ...."



If you choose to disagree with their ideas, then you're on the right track.



True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
30. Ok:)
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 04:43 PM
Mar 2018

I disagree with their ideas.

I remember generational changes. I think we need one now!

How is that?

Just my opinion,you understand.feel free to correct me.

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
32. I don't disagree with that
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 06:27 PM
Mar 2018

but given a choice between ideology and a ... census demographic, shall we say ...

... I'll roll with ideas I agree with and believe in every single time. Pelosi simply hasn't demonstrated much that I can agree with over the course of her tenure. She gives lip service to support of the DREAMers, to use one recent example, but can't seem to manage getting that support legislated. This squanders all the goodwill she built up from her filibuster last month.


While House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and other Democratic leaders had hinged their support for last month’s budget caps deal on a commitment from Republicans to consider legislation salvaging the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, they’ve signaled they won’t hold a similar line heading into next week’s expected vote on an omnibus spending bill.


http://thehill.com/homenews/house/378881-democratic-leaders-pull-back-hard-line-immigration-demand

Why, I'm so old I remember when she took impeachment of W Bush off the table.

And maybe you remember when she suggested to Barack Obama in 2008 that he pick Chet Edwards as his running mate. I certainly do.



Don't get me wrong; she's done a lot of good over the years, but maybe it's time for someone else to take the lead. (This is much more in disagreement with the OP's link than it is with you.)

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
31. The only challenge I would accept is from Schiff.
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 04:45 PM
Mar 2018

And he has indicated that if she still wants it, he will not oppose Pelosi.

But, he also seems interested in the position if she decides to step down from leadership.

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