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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGawd dammit, Conditt was a bigoted, domestic terrorist who murdered people...
One who was too cowardly to face proper justice for the crimes he committed. He'll never have to face the survivors of the good people he killed for no good fucking reason. However, if I did say that I'm sorry to see that he's dead, I'd be lying. Unfortunately though, knowing what kind of poison that he represented, I'm sure that for a certain segment of our society, they will look at this fucker as a martyr who died fighting a righteous cause.
And it's because of people like that why we all can't nice things in this country.
And, the media, I'm pretty much disgusted with all the "sympathy and understanding" he's receiving in the wake of his death. The only reason that he's getting this treatment is because he was a white guy. Damn, why else is it so hard for so many to label that piece shit the "mad-bombing domestic terrorist" that any thinking person would know that he was?
Is that baby-faced photo the ONLY one they have for this mad bomber? I don't think that it's hard to figure out who he was and why he killed innocent people...
Well, the answer to WHY he did is pretty obvious, is it not? He's part of the ugliness of violence, racism, sexism and homophobia that's infecting the nation right now and it's only going to get worse. As Americans, we only need to look at ourselves to see why he did what he did.
Unless we save ourselves, we can only expect more of these murderers to come from out of the woodwork. Good luck with that.
But right now, the ugliness is tearing us all apart.
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)In the narrative of their own stories, THEY are the "good guys."
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)express his (self-expressed 'evolving') beliefs in a blog written for a community college class.
Of course I've thought from the start this was a race-based crime and that the culprit would end up being a white nationalist, but I think there is a lot still missing from this story.
Farmer-Rick
(10,151 posts)It stands for Righteous Invasion of Truth. It calls for an armed attack, where saints must go to war and claims desperate times need desperate actions and riots. Not kidding some crazy dude made a song about it. It's on amazon.
Seems aside from singing about starting a religious war, these people had a group that called themselves Riot. They learned how to use weapons and acted out mock battles.
Fun times in violent crazy religious America.
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)Is SPLC on the case if they are a known white supremist/hate group?
FailureToCommunicate
(14,012 posts)and, of course, a facebook page.
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)Look I'm concerned and suspicious that he was a closeted white nationalist, but if this is all we have on this group-- my gawd. You guys are jumping the gun.
RIOT appears to take its name from Righteous Invasion of Truth, a 1995 album by Carman, a Christian rock artist. Its not unusual for homeschooling families to create organizations like RIOT that provide socialization and skills-building opportunities for their children. A blog confirmed to belong to Conditt indicates that he held socially conservative views as of 2012. But without more information about his motive for the bombings, its impossible to know how Conditts background influenced his violence, if it was an influence at all.
I thought you all were going to point to an SPLC citation of this as some well established home schooling hate group, not a group that engages in archery, gun skills, and water balloon fights and was "conservative"
Farmer-Rick
(10,151 posts)So you found some media reports that poo-poo the group. Not the most assuring information.
Just because they produced a bomber don't worry? They used water balloons at one time so nothing to worry about. The white Christian right has always been non lethal? You know, like the abortion clinic bombing operation rescue, they gave knitting classes too. So there was nothing to worry about there either.
I'm not saying it is armagedon, but when people start acting out the tenets of a wacko white supremacist Christian group, you got to take them seriously no matter how innocuous the media tries to make them.
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)BUT you have not presented evidence to support that suspicion. We aren't RWers. We support our claims and when the evidence is not yet in, we wait for it. That doesn't mean you can't post your suspicions, but you sure as HELL don't get to accuse the rest of us on DU of "defending a Christian terrorist". SHAME ON YOU FOR THAT very RW tactic!
You present as evidence ONLY that he was home schooled (which I don't like either, but...) and belonged to a group that has very little known about them except as published that they engage in archery and are conservative...
RIOT appears to take its name from Righteous Invasion of Truth, a 1995 album by Carman, a Christian rock artist. Its not unusual for homeschooling families to create organizations like RIOT that provide socialization and skills-building opportunities for their children. A blog confirmed to belong to Conditt indicates that he held socially conservative views as of 2012. But without more information about his motive for the bombings, its impossible to know how Conditts background influenced his violence, if it was an influence at all.
I thought you all were going to point to an SPLC citation of this as some well established home schooling hate group, not a group that engages in archery, gun skills, and water balloon fights and was "conservative"
Farmer-Rick
(10,151 posts)I don't care if he was home schooled.
I care about this white Christian Survivalist group spawning a bomber. I don't have time to hunt down every detail of the group. But you can, since you are characterizing them as merely fun loving water balloon throwing Christian survivalist playing with guns and mock battles. It's not as if this group of people has never spawned violence before.
But if you want to make it seem that RIOT did not contribute to this bomber's deadly spree, fine. But don't go around acting as if there is no evidence of a Right Wing motivation in the bombings
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)what you and I both SUSPECT.
Farmer-Rick
(10,151 posts)Let me get this straight, white Christian saints are now given a pass on killing all who are not white, KKKristian males.
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)said my response was accusing a DUer of anything. My response is in regard to the individual belonging to a so called KKKRISTIAN group and that person belonging to that group who was a white, KKKRISTIAN male intent on doing his bit for the white racist RAHOWA being geared up by trump followers. Good day.
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)What's missing. White guy who hated brown skinned people, immigrants, was anti gay homophobe, but the tell is he was a white nationalist domestic terrorist who voted for the POS masquerading as a potus. That is all I need to know about this racist, among other trump voter traits, PIG. I am glad he's dead. Period.
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)mitch96
(13,885 posts)That's what they think and don't want to be labeled as what they are. Domestic terrorists. Not Blacks, not muslim, not women. They are brainwashed angry young white men.
Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols come to mind...
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Proud Liberal Dem
(24,402 posts)In the ever living f**k is wrong with our media?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Played nice with a known sociopath, racist, sexist homophobe for many many months and that person is now potus. They are currently playing nice about a a white nationalist racist terrorist trying to gin up sympathy for this individual. When ALL MSM is owned by by uber rich white men who are obviously fascist, what can be expected from our so called 'free press'?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,402 posts)what they would be doing if the bomber was a minority and/or Muslim.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)We know without equivocation or doubt
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Have I missed something? Other than some vague statements made in connection with a political science class six years ago, in which he also said he was not politically inclined, I have read nothing indicating there was a political agenda.
I agree he may be treated differently in the press than if he had been a minority, but some of your assertions seem like unsubstantiated assumptions.
Chakaconcarne
(2,439 posts)hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,151 posts)Righteous Invasion of Truth. It advocates a violent attacks on what I'm not sure. But they have camp meetings were they learn to use weapons and act out battles. They even have a song, you can buy it on Amazon.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)Bolding mine.
Of course, this WAS Texas, and he didn't use a gun to commit the crimes.
The Quiverfull organization IBLP has an all-male program called ALERT, which I am more concerned has domestic terrorism/apocalyptic survival training overtones, from the gender segregation required.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)From the article: "But without more information about his motive for the bombings, its impossible to know how Conditts background influenced his violence, if it was an influence at all."
I think its too easy to make assumptions that fit our own worldviews. I will wait to see what more comes out because believing what we want to believe is too easy.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of conservative or religious zealotry, but I am a big fan of the truth, which will take time to come out.
moriah
(8,311 posts)Vs a headline from blogs, etc.
As I said, it was Texas where God and gunz are sacred.
And notably it wasn't gender-segregated, at least insofar as girls and boys at least both attended. ALERT is definitely preparing QF men for survival in a domestic-unrest or no power/authority structure situation, but that doesn't mean necessarily they encourage bringing such a situation about. I tend to think the encouragement of women to study home birth and become lay midwives is also "extreme prepper" behavior, but it doesn't mean extreme preppers are actively encouraging extremist activity to bring about calamity.
I can find very little information pre-bombings about the group in Google right now that isn't related to the song album they took the name from.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Is currently unsubstantiated.
moriah
(8,311 posts)Gays are unnatural, yet it's tarring and feathering to have a sex offender registry for straight people.
And his actions are clearly domestic terrorism.
The two may not be connected, but are clearly both true.
George II
(67,782 posts)It's like the old Gallagher joke about school, "I got an F on a question that asked my opinion."
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)There are opinions that are well supported and those that aren't.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)he killed himself with a bomb
The oldest of four children, Conditt was homeschooled by his mother. BuzzFeed spoke to a 21-year-old woman named Cassia Schultz who said she ran in the same conservative survivalist circles in high school as Conditt. She mentioned that she and Conditt were a part of a social group for homeschooled kids called Righteous Invasion of Truth (RIOT).
A lot of us were very into science; we would discuss chemicals and how to mix them and which ones were dangerous, Schultz told BuzzFeed. We were into weapons and stuff. A lot of us did role-playing, and RPG [role-playing games]; wed have foam weapons and act out a battle.
Farmer-Rick
(10,151 posts)GeorgeHayduke
(1,227 posts)I was forced to attend a fundy christian school that espoused, at times, some messed-up stuff, but I also loved to play D&D and had faux Rambo wars with my friends out in the woods. We never went full-SCA, but still. We were just boys with fake guns, swords and, yes, chemistry sets - and we did talk about blowing stuffup.
The church ladies constantly berated me for being a devil worshiper and eventually expelled my sister and I.
Still, of our little group, two of us became chemists, one a lawyer and judge, another a successful small-business owner and anothera happy mechanic who moonlights as a guitarist.
We were just normal kids who never blew-up anyone.
I suspect some of us here are prone to jumping to very fearful and consequential conclusions.
Check your blood pressure, folks.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)So he had no qualm about killing police or his intended targets who were POC
And seemed together enough to keep building bombs
More than just confused and sad
Trying to find the buyer of the nails, officials "went to every hardware store" in the area to find customers who had made large purchases, and they struck gold with a Home Depot store in the Austin suburb of Round Rock, McCaul said in an interview with the Los Angeles Times.
"The fatal mistake that led law enforcement to him because he was pretty good at evading surveillance cameras was when he walked into Home Depot," McCaul said. Investigators obtained surveillance video of Conditt walking into the store in a wig and walking back out to a vehicle with a license plate connected to his name.
From there, McCaul said, investigators obtained a cellphone number linked to Conditt, which had been turned off for "a while" until Wednesday morning.
When Conditt turned on the phone, McCaul said, investigators were able to pinpoint him at a hotel in Round Rock, which led to a police chase.
Officials described a harrowing scene at the end of the chase. After Austin police forced Conditt off the road to prevent him from getting on a freeway, officers surrounded the vehicle and banged on the windows, at which point Conditt set off a blast that sent officers flying backward. One officer suffered non-life-threatening injuries.
LuvLoogie
(6,973 posts)atreides1
(16,070 posts)That's only when POC are involved! When it's a white person...the rules tend to be different!
niyad
(113,216 posts)dlk
(11,540 posts)Considering most media outlets are owned and operated by white men...
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)If he was Mooslim the stories would be never ending and Trump mouthing off every five minutes.
forgotmylogin
(7,523 posts)to assemble explosives and mail them to people.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)3Hotdogs
(12,365 posts)So far, there is no evidence for white pride, M.A.G.A. or any similar stuff.
Farmer-Rick
(10,151 posts)They advocate armed invasions, wars and riots. They had camp meetings where they learned to use weapons and acted out battles. It stands for Righteous Invasion of Truth. They even have a song. You can buy it on Amazon if you want to hear their battle song. The creepy dude on the cover wears overalls in some of his videos. It's weird, very weird.
spike91nz
(180 posts)Strange association between the advent of controversy in January and February of this year (2018) at the Stone Community Church, where I understand Conditt attended, and the beginning of his bombing. The sexual abuse controversy extends to a preacher in Memphis who admits sexual abuse of a high school girl at the Austin church. The issue in Conditt postings regarding unfairness of sex offenders registry might make sense in terms of that sexual abuse controversy arising during a youth conference on (of all things) sexual abstinence. It might have been enough to set him off but seems thin from any rational point of view.
Farmer-Rick
(10,151 posts)A religious organization advocating armed attacks. They teach how to use weapons and act out mock attacks.
They have a song where they sing about war and riots. So it seems he may have channeled his trauma of being abused into this group. I expect more to come from members of RIOT.
ancianita
(36,016 posts)It's been a little over one day since a white suicide bomber who killed a Black boy and a Black man blew himself up, and already police and media outlets are speaking sympathetic words about him.
I don't even want to post about him. It's the lives of whole black families that have been torn apart.
The sinister world of white violence is disgusting.
Farmer-Rick
(10,151 posts)Probably funded by Russia.
RIOT, Righteous Invasion of Truth, seems to be a deadly strain running through religious survivalist who seem to have gotten tired of waiting and want to start their own armagedon. They have camp meetings where they learned to use weapons and acted out mock battles. They have a song. You can buy it on Amazon. There is a white creepy dude who wears overalls and screams/sings angrily in a cloud of dry ice. Very ugly stuff.
I don't understand why his membership in this violent group is being ignored by even the more liberal media outlets. This guy ws carefully cultivated to be violent. Expect more from this violent group. Much like operation rescue and abortion clinic bombings, this group is going to attack more people.
ancianita
(36,016 posts)I buy the Russian motivator. It's not a reach to consider how Russian fancy bears hide themselves.
From wikipedia:
Other uses...
MOS Technology 6532 RAM-I/O-Timer (RIOT), an integrated circuit ...
RIOT, an acronym for Rapid Information Overlay Technology tracking software created by Raytheon ...
Riot (DC Comics), the name of two fictional characters from DC Comics ...
Riot (comics), the name of two fictional characters from Marvel Comics ...
RIOT (operating system), open-source operating system for the Internet of Things ...
RIOT, an acronym for Radical Image Optimization Tool ...
riotjs, "A React-like user interface micro-library" written in javascript for websites ...
riot.im, an instant messaging software based on Matrix (communication protocol).
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)get a free pass. Damn, when is the US going to grow up! I think a lot of this crap is just the tip of the iceberg. Trump IMO has given an OK to violence through his actions, what he says and what he does. ... and his idiotic tweets.
ProfessorPlum
(11,254 posts)Ligyron
(7,624 posts)That's about all one needs to know right there.
While there are most certainly home schooled kids whose parents realize, for whatever reason, (too smart, special needs, etc.) that their kids would not do well in the public schools, the vast majority are kept home to avoid black/minority children and non-religious ideas.
Yeah, he probably felt he was being a hero to RIOT ideals.
Farmer-Rick
(10,151 posts)And acted out mock battles by RIOT. As a vet, I can tell you this is what we did to train for war. They are probably funded/supported by Russia.
Listen to the song on Amazon it's creepy and seems to be a little better organized (they give lessons) than operation rescue bombers.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,151 posts)The girl they interviewed threw that in to make it sound innocuous. Just like the operation rescue bombers pretend to be all little old ladies busily knitting scarves for fetuses. Was she really going to come out and say they were preparing for war? Have you dealt with these crazy survivalist? That's exactly what they expect...war.
Anyway go listen to their songs, see if you think it is all about throwing water balloons? Those water ballons sure morphed strangely int weapons and bombs.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Loubee
(165 posts)Translation: He's one of ours.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,012 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)"But without more information about his motive for the bombings, its impossible to know how Conditts background influenced his violence, if it was an influence at all."
The article does not confirm a racist or political motive. Let's wait and see what the truth is and not jump on what we want to believe.
Anon-C
(3,430 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)The one issue with the term "terrorist" is that, after 9/11, insurance companies often have a disclaimer in their home and commercial property coverage that they will not pay for damages that result from damages, or claims against them by others "due to terrorism."
If you don't have "terrorism coverage," which is requires a separate, additional rider, a home or business may not be covered for any damages that were determined to be terrorism.
The law was passed in 2002. It requires commercial liability and property insurers to offer terrorism coverage to their policyholders. If a policyholder declines the coverage, an insurer may attach a terrorism exclusion to the policy.
https://www.thebalance.com/do-you-need-terrorism-insurance-4102840
And then there are terrorist act exclusions in health insurance coverage:
http://www.fastrackce.com/continuing-education/insurance/health-insurance-and-terrorism-are-your-insureds-covered/
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)vs a middle-eastern or black guy? They dont hesitate in those situations. This is an insurance company issue. I have no idea how this relates to the issues we see in media coverage they are certainly not sitting around and worrying about the insurance coverage of people targeted by bombers.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...and this Age of tRump* has only emboldened the rabble and granted supposed justification for nefarious action, opinions, and deeds.
Nay
(12,051 posts)world" kind of crap that is used to bond children to their religion, but it's more damning that he had a LIST of names and addresses of people he was going to bomb. The cops found this list when they searched his house and they have NOT released the list.
I want to see this goddamned list!
Can we assume that the first 3 bombings (where he placed bombs on porches) were intended to kill specific people (or specific races of people)? That those people were on this list? Somewhere I read that the first two families were related in some way (Mason family) and the third bombing was also intended for a Mason, but this Mason was not related to the first Mason family. I read this just once and cannot remember where, but it stuck in my head.
Also, if he was going off his list, why the trip wire bomb in the 98% white neighborhood? Did he have a line in his list that said "random white passersby in white neighborhood"? I don't think so. I think that bombing was aimed at whites just to divert speculation that the bomber was a racist asshole. I'd bet $1000 all the names on that list were POC. That tripwire bomb may even have been a copycat, and he may have been after POC only.
FakeNoose
(32,617 posts)Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)...but I saw one on FB that includes a skin-color card held in front of his mug. The top half of the card shows three shades of white with the text mentally ill and the darker complexions are identified as terrorist.
mn9driver
(4,423 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I see rhetoric like that as part of the ugliness.
Our murder rate continues to be at a historic low, and the number of people this guy killed is a very, very small drop in the bucket.
About thirty people are murdered every day, and a much larger number commit suicide. Apparently because they cannot handle all the privilege.
16,108 homicides and 41,143 suicides in 2014.
In 1990 23,400 homicides and 30,900 suicides and 50 million fewer people.
The actions of one deranged person does not mean we all are being torn apart or that we now live in ugly America.
efhmc
(14,725 posts)change this and keep more young people away from the evilness of this type of thinking and even if they think this way away from harming/killing others.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)of use to the greater good and their fellow man, rather than than just money driven. In other words, ambition toward a profession that would make them fulfilled and happy.
When I was a teen in the 60s, all my classmates wanted to be a "something" (engineer, accountant, teacher, musician, etc.), with little or no mention of the money involved. I think we need to return out youth to that sort of personal drive and goals.
Also, stop the worship of corporations and the wealthy, put politics back into the back seat where it belongs, and somehow reign in our rampant consumerist culture.
All before Friday, LOL.
efhmc
(14,725 posts)I was taught almost everywhere: school, church. scouts that we should strive to help others. Not that that happened on a regular basis but I think many of us used the idea as part of our lives. Strife and division seems to be the driving forces today. Good grief I sound like an old foggy.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)We sang a song in the Baptist church in my youth titled "Others", and it was practiced in life. Both my parents went through the Great Depression in extreme poverty, and thereby became life-long givers. People shared to survive.
It's tough for people that were raised that way these days, as we watch our society degenerate into individualism, self-centeredness and selfishness.
Just hope I can be a good example for my granddaughter.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)SweetieD
(1,660 posts)Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)I might be a slow-on-the-uptake white guy of certain years, but this Conditt fellow is getting a whole lot of tea and sympathy he wouldn't have gotten if he were colored or came from an Islamic country.
White privilege written in neon letters and bordered by flashing chase lights.
H2O Man
(73,528 posts)I'm surprised the media isn't showing his baby pictures.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)just my guess from reading interviews with friends, classmates and former employers.
Combine that with being an intellectual conservative survivalist evangelical and you have plenty of fuel for a fire.
More will be revealed after the authorities search and study his property, computers and web history.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)His list of targets (mentioned in other posts here) and his numerous trips to Home Depot etc for his bomb-making materials are not the signs of a poor depressed kid who broke down or a future psychopath. He is by definition a murderer whats closeted about his actions? Oh yeah, and his attempt to go out in glory and take police with him?!
Fox would be covering this story 24/7 if the guy had been middle-eastern. They have barely mentioned it. CNN and msnbc need to report this properly and not give this guy some sort of pass.
Honestly, I am tired of the fact that he would instantly be designated, properly, a terrorist if he werent a white man in his twenties (some people are calling him a kid because they are looking at a picture of him from six years ago when he graduated from high school he was a man in his twenties who from all appearances was raised in a very conservative religious survivalist type of environment. That environment may have encouraged violence (it should obviously be investigated).
He set out to murder people by blowing them up with packages left at their houses. That isnt closeted. The initial targets were POC if they were white housewives and if he had a different name and was middle-eastern (or black)...sigh.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)1. Never said he was a kid. Also did not say he was not a murderer. I was simply speculating as to what hidden mental health issue he might have that would lead this supposed "good guy" to commit such a horrible crime.
2. "Closeted" in the sense of up until this event. Don't think he had any police record or history of violence.
3. Psychopathy in general, is a genetic mental state you're born with. It can exist in varying degrees, and it stays hidden in many people for all their lives - many are commonly simply known as "assholes".
Are you aware that research has shown that psychopathy is very common in (at least) these two groups?
A. People in prison who are there for the most heinous and horrific crimes (murder, rape, etc.).
B. Officers of many major corporations.
I agree with most of your assertions about the white-washing of white people's crimes. Many times, I strongly suspect the authorities never reveal everything they find in the homes and info from phones and computers belonging to white criminals, particularly affluent ones.
IronLionZion
(45,410 posts)They and their families could use some sympathy and understanding. They were nice people with their futures ended by a terrorist right here on American soil. If some Muslim had killed Americans there would be travel bans, deportations, build the wall, more police(if black), and Trump would go bomb some completely unrelated country.
What is with the perpetual denial of white terrorists killing Americans right here at home?
Even educated liberal DUers desperately say "But he doesn't have a political agenda!" as if they know someone's political agenda. As if whites are not political, only Muslims. Because white guys like the Florida Parkland shooter who was part of a political militia group was not political. And this Austin Texas bomber had political blogs describing his politics but he doesn't have a political agenda. Maybe DUers and Freepers don't have a political agenda either? Politicians don't have a political agenda?
White privilege hurts my heart and my brain
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)Lithos
(26,403 posts)https://www.mystatesman.com/news/local/friends-remember-austin-bomb-victims-draylen-mason-anthony-house/PwF2KAOJDgxO73yR6Q5rEI/
https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2018-03-23/remembering-the-victims/
http://www.houstonseagle.com/news/national/austin-bombings-how-help-the-victims/66XEvMaLZNIYLpfVas6KqN/
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/us/austin-package-bombing-victims/index.html
These are all fairly major outlets in the Austin area.
L-
IronLionZion
(45,410 posts)dhol82
(9,352 posts)They did a nice job showing that these were solid people and a loss for all of us.
catrose
(5,065 posts)https://www.youcaring.com/joneswilsonfamily-1129040
There's been a lot of coverage of the victims where I live. This "troubled man" (read: Terrorist) robbed us and their families of some lovely people.
George II
(67,782 posts)No one ever wants to talk about that.
herding cats
(19,558 posts)His was the "outcry of a challenged young man talking about challenges in his personal life that led him to this point," out of respect for his family that's all that will be said.
Now imagine if he'd been a 23 year old brown man who didn't specifically mention anything about terrorism or hate?
There'd be a lot less "challenged" framing going around and a lot more supposition as to his motives.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)White.
Male.
Hateful.
Disrespectful of human life.
Gone now...just too late.
niyad
(113,216 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)I know what it's like to be a women and to go through the fears and the rage at how we are treated but I will never know what it's like to be seen as suspect, as that particular kind of prey with that unimaginable kind of pseudo-justification for unconscionable acts perpetrated on me.
I think part of the fear is an unconscious acknowledgment that white Americans have done stunningly horrible things to black Americans and all non-white people, and the impression that if given half a chance they'll take the opportunity to do just the same. But they cannot imagine that if they (I should say "we" but I can't bring myself to do it) become humble and acknowledge that reality and that fear, and let the rage be there, and do not quail in the face of it but go on to try to listen, to ally and do better, we all might be surprised at the result.
I know that's long-winded but I hope it makes sense.
pansypoo53219
(20,968 posts)MarcA
(2,195 posts)life and himself. Don't have a link but the Austin American Statesman
had an interview with a friend who described him as verbally intimidating
among other attributes. In other words, a know-it-all blowhard. If his
self hate had not done him in he would have probably have had a promising
career as a right wing radio hate talker and blogger.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)he had......PROBLEMS IN HIS PERSONAL LIFE!
omfg do I ever hear you......seriously, WHAT THE FUCK
handmade34
(22,756 posts)...the ugliness of violence, racism, sexism and homophobia that's infecting the nation right now...we only need to look at ourselves to see why he did what he did"
Kids from authoritarian families are less resourceful, less socially-adept...they are at higher risk for involvement in bullying -- both as perpetrators and as victims.
collectively, we are letting this happen and I feel so lacking in any way to help... I am so angry, saddened and disgusted by what we have become... I want so desperately to be rid of DT and those that encourage and motivate the hate and violence...
my heart aches for the goodness and security I felt from the Obamas and those in positions of power that were trying desperately to make us a better, healthier, more humane Country
summer_in_TX
(2,727 posts)But he didn't.
He wanted to take out all the people at a McDonalds' if police closed in on him.
https://www.statesman.com/news/crime--law/austin-bombing-suspect-recording-wish-were-sorry-but-not/ymCRWQQSGfwSeqsKbye2xJ/
Lithos
(26,403 posts)Who grew up in a bigoted, socially isolated household. Yes, his ideology was disgusting, but I do not think that was what drove him to bomb people. He was 23 and of an age where mental issues such as manic-depression, etc. start to manifest themselves. What I think happened is that this family probably provided little to no support growing up and little to none with the issues he was facing. You can't pray away depression or mental disease.
The video, from what the Police chief has intimated, speaks far more to social isolation, loss of control, failure. What was discussed for 20 minutes included girlfriend issues, job issues, etc. If he was doing this based on ideology, then I believe the Police Chief would have mentioned this as part of the reason why the victims were chosen. In fact, it was explicitly mentioned there was no reason given for any choice of victim. One of the aspects of serial killers is that they kill to claim a sense of control. I suspect the bombing is because he was also a coward.
I think in the end, he knew he would be caught and I think the 7th bomb was always there for him to blow himself up. So, this spree was essentially a slowly unfolding "suicide by cop".