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Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:18 AM

So is a Ron Paul win in Iowa good for President Obama or more dangerous than the other cons?

I always look at these things in context. Surely a RP victory drives the GOP crazy but does it help our cause?

Personally I think he is most dangerous and most extreme candidate out there. His monitary schemes would drive this country past the brink IMHO. His form of Libertarianism is just Republicanism on steroids. His bigotry, homophobia & blatent antisemitism are vile. Clearly only his anti war stance is the only thing we have in common with.

Comparing him to to the other clowns in the race to the bottom he is the only one who would pull off some low information Liberals. I doubt any of the other Candidates would appeal to Independents. Part of Obama's electorate was most definitely Independent in 2008. Will that be effected by a RP win?

In short this Stormfront posterboy scares the crap out of me.

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Reply So is a Ron Paul win in Iowa good for President Obama or more dangerous than the other cons? (Original post)
sellitman Jan 2012 OP
catabryna Jan 2012 #1
sellitman Jan 2012 #7
Autumn Jan 2012 #2
progressoid Jan 2012 #15
Autumn Jan 2012 #20
hayrow1 Jan 2012 #16
sufrommich Jan 2012 #17
Pisces Jan 2012 #3
quinnox Jan 2012 #4
southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #5
FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #8
southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #19
FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #6
sellitman Jan 2012 #10
zbdent Jan 2012 #9
sufrommich Jan 2012 #11
MarkCharles Jan 2012 #12
surfdog Jan 2012 #13
KharmaTrain Jan 2012 #14
ecstatic Jan 2012 #18
WI_DEM Jan 2012 #21
deacon Jan 2012 #22
Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #23
Historic NY Jan 2012 #24
sellitman Jan 2012 #26
napoleon_in_rags Jan 2012 #25
cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #27
Historic NY Jan 2012 #28
Renew Deal Jan 2012 #29
spanone Jan 2012 #30

Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:20 AM

1. This guy is not going places...

DU needs to get over him.

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Response to catabryna (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:27 AM

7. I hope you are right

I'll get over him when he has returned to Texas a beaten broke loser.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:23 AM

2. Do you remember 2000 and 2004?

Whomever the media and TPTB wants to be President will be President. Make no mistake about it.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:40 AM

15. Thats an oversimplification IMHO

If that were true, Hillary would been our nominee . By all accounts, she was the chosen one.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:49 AM

20. Not even. Did you watch any debate between Gore and Bush?

How about Kerry and Bush? Hillary was pushed by the media a year or so leading up to the primaries, when the primaries were all set the media pushed her aside.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:41 AM

16. Agreed

 

Obama has been a cooperative tool for the 1%, and there is really no reason to believe anything will change. The Iowa and New Hampshire sideshows really mean nothing, but they make it seem to the fooled that they have some influence, and allows them to let off steam arguing amongst themselves.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:23 AM

3. None of these idiots can beat Obama. The concern and worry are just all for show. THese candidates

are all below Obama and will never stand up to debates with him. Ron Paul may appeal to idealist, but he will never be the nominee.
The only candidate who has some brains to compete with Obama is Huntsman and his party thinks he is too smart and moderate.

It will be Obama 2012!!!

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:23 AM

4. I think the other issue that might peal some off

 

is civil liberties, Paul makes a habit of speaking against the police state and so on. Besides the anti-war stance as you pointed out.

Not sure what a potential Paul win in Iowa means to our side. I guess it would hurt Romney a little, but in the long run it might not matter all that much.

No, Ron Paul doesn't scare me. It would be a miracle if he actually won the nomination. I don't see it happening.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:25 AM

5. He could win Iowa but honestly that is it. I don't think Iowa influencing the National election

 

means anything. Especially if Paul or god's (so called) one Santorum (he said says)win.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:27 AM

8. True, actually Iowa has a terrible track record of choosing nominees.

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Response to FarLeftFist (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:48 AM

19. True. They keep picking people like the Huckster. Losers

 

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:25 AM

6. He would get trounced in debates against Obama because he lives in fantasyland and

People are looking for reality. They don't want to hear about Paul's lawless utopia where it's kill or be killed.

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Response to FarLeftFist (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:30 AM

10. I am looking forward to the real debates.

I think that is where Obama puts distance between him and any of the Cons that are unlucky enough to grab the GOP mantle.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:29 AM

9. If there truly were a "liberally-biased media" ... GOOD for Obama ...

but I live in a world where we don't make our own reality ...

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:32 AM

11. Actually, regardless of Paul and Obama,

it frightens me that Ayn Rand's Libertarian Nightmare Party seems to be making inroads into american politics.I've seen no other country where Rand's insane mutterings are taken seriously but here they are gaining popularity,especially among the young.I fear this country will eventually fall for one of these clowns.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:32 AM

12. Iowa's caucuses tell us NOTHING other than

 

seeing what a bunch candidates for clown college all those Republicans are.

Whoever "wins" is only popular with 1/3 of the people at the caucuses, and only 1/3 of Republicans ever go to these events!!!!


EVEN If a "winner" gets 1/3 of the votes, from 1/3 of the Republicans, that's 1/9th of all Republicans supporting one person.

These caucuses are a meaningless fiction propagated by the television networks to keep us under-informed and entertained.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:40 AM

13. If Ron Paul wins Iowa..

 

It's a good thing for Pres. Obama , this will assure that the primaries drag on a little longer than they would have if Romney had won

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:40 AM

14. Some Context...

First about the Iowa Clown Car Demolition Derby. This isn't the entire state...it's a minority. Remember, the last rushpublican to win Iowa was Raygun in '84. Even moreso, this is a universe of active rushpublicans...those with some kind of agenda that sees all the media activity as a chance to make noise and get noticed.

The state and caucus process is also one where organizations matter the most. Since you need to get your supporters in one place at one time, those who have the ground troops will always do better than those who rely on winning "over the air" with teevee ads. Polls mean little when many who are contacted either don't go to the caucus or can show up and decide at the last moment. If anything, when it looks like your candidate is doing poorly, many causes give you the chance to switch to another candidate before the votes are finally tallied. This is where organization is really critical as those with the strongest supporters will always attract the stragglers.

Overall, a Paul win or Rectorum or Trix Rabbit means little to this President. The Paulbots will make noise and win delegates to the convention and be a bigger threat to a Mittens or any other "frontrunner". The fun begins when they realize their candidate won't get much more than a speaking slot at the convention and lets see how many run to Gary Johnson or try to get Paul to run third party. Now, if that happens, it'll help President Obama...but that's months away from happening. In the meantime the demolition derby will go on...

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:48 AM

18. It's hard to say. I think he'd look just like McCain in the debates

Grumpy, snapping, cranky and old. But then you have young celebrities like Kelly Clarkson who are so enamored with Paul... so it's hard to say.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:51 AM

21. It doesn't matter if Paul wins Iowa or not, he won't be the GOP nominee

they will never nominate him.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:10 PM

22. It would be fantastic. The only threat paul poses is to the GOP. n/t

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:12 PM

23. Good, we want him to run 3rd party

 

and anything that pushes Paul in that direction is a good thing.


He isn't a serious candidate but some wing nuts think he is.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:19 PM

24. Its his last chance at age 76.....

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 05:07 PM

26. I agree

A third Party run would be sweet.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:33 PM

25. He can't win the nomination! Therefore he's dangerous!!!

LOL. I'm not scared of RP or any outsiders, right or left. What scares me is the insiders, what scares me is what people are trying to accept as normal. America is at a WWII level of debt, engaged in the longest war in its history, and a major part of that was a war that killed hundreds of thousands over WMDs that did not exist.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 05:09 PM

27. Paul winning is good for Obama, Yes

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 10:17 PM

28. It would force a 2 front campaign.....probably worse for the GOP nominee.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 10:23 PM

29. I think it's meaningless overall

If you look at the list of republican Iowa winners you'll find few nominees let alone presidents.

I think Ron Paul can only disappoint.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 10:24 PM

30. mike huckabee won in 2008...it doesn't mean much

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