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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 09:39 AM Jul 2012

Poverty in America: Why Can’t We End It?

Poverty in America: Why Can’t We End It?

By PETER EDELMAN

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The first thing needed if we’re to get people out of poverty is more jobs that pay decent wages....This isn’t a problem specific to the current moment. We’ve been drowning in a flood of low-wage jobs for the last 40 years. Most of the income of people in poverty comes from work. According to the most recent data available from the Census Bureau, 104 million people — a third of the population — have annual incomes below twice the poverty line, less than $38,000 for a family of three...Half the jobs in the nation pay less than $34,000 a year, according to the Economic Policy Institute. A quarter pay below the poverty line for a family of four, less than $23,000 annually...It’s not that the whole economy stagnated. There’s been growth, a lot of it, but it has stuck at the top...Low-wage jobs bedevil tens of millions of people. At the other end of the low-income spectrum we have a different problem. The safety net for single mothers and their children has developed a gaping hole over the past dozen years. This is a major cause of the dramatic increase in extreme poverty during those years. The census tells us that 20.5 million people earn incomes below half the poverty line, less than about $9,500 for a family of three — up eight million from 2000.

Why? A substantial reason is the near demise of welfare — now called Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or TANF. In the mid-90s more than two-thirds of children in poor families received welfare. But that number has dwindled over the past decade and a half to roughly 27 percent.

One result: six million people have no income other than food stamps. Food stamps provide an income at a third of the poverty line, close to $6,300 for a family of three. It’s hard to understand how they survive.

At least we have food stamps. They have been a powerful antirecession tool in the past five years, with the number of recipients rising to 46 million today from 26.3 million in 2007. By contrast, welfare has done little to counter the impact of the recession; although the number of people receiving cash assistance rose from 3.9 million to 4.5 million since 2007, many states actually reduced the size of their rolls and lowered benefits to those in greatest need.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/opinion/sunday/why-cant-we-end-poverty-in-america.html



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Poverty in America: Why Can’t We End It? (Original Post) ProSense Jul 2012 OP
We don't want to give people money just because they need it. bemildred Jul 2012 #1
If they ProSense Jul 2012 #2
There are lots of things we could do if we actually wanted to. bemildred Jul 2012 #3
They would simply raise prices to make it like they never got the raise. Sirveri Jul 2012 #13
Because we live under capitalism, which requires poverty. eom TransitJohn Jul 2012 #4
+1 HiPointDem Jul 2012 #11
Simple and elegant Hydra Jul 2012 #12
Minimum wage is going to be the prevailing wage. Raise it while there's still time. K&R n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #5
It isn't that difficult to understand. 99Forever Jul 2012 #6
there is no collective will to do so arely staircase Jul 2012 #7
Communities can help each other Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2012 #8
They Used To State It More Openly, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2012 #9
america loves to have a dog to kick dembotoz Jul 2012 #10
As my old Poli sci Professor used to say.... Bonobo Jul 2012 #14
What is money? bhikkhu Jul 2012 #16
This is because of Fox News. mick063 Jul 2012 #15

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
1. We don't want to give people money just because they need it.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:02 AM
Jul 2012

That's why we "can't end it". It wouldn't even take that much.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
2. If they
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:15 AM
Jul 2012

"We don't want to give people money just because they need it."

...increased the minimum wage to anywhere from to $12 per hour, they could make a significant dent in reversing the poverty trend.

The fight against such an increase is to keep tens of millions of people in poverty.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
13. They would simply raise prices to make it like they never got the raise.
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:12 AM
Jul 2012

The best solution is to tax the rich. Tax the ever living shit out of them. Income cap level of taxation. Then they can't extract all the wealth from their company, that leaves them four options. Voluntarily raise wages. Buy upgrades for their facilities. Give the money to the government (who could then give it to the poor). Lower prices (effectively raising everyones wages).

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
6. It isn't that difficult to understand.
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:30 AM
Jul 2012

The 1%ers don't give a rat's ass about "helping the poor." They own our government.

Duh.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
7. there is no collective will to do so
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:31 AM
Jul 2012

this is due to several factors. one is the fact that this country was founded by calvinists who believed in that material success was the sign of a good christian who was going to heaven. another reason is the fact we have allowed our public airwaves to be completely dominated by pro-corporate anti progressive entities that pump out slanted propaganda 24/7.

IMHO

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
8. Communities can help each other
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:52 AM
Jul 2012

for jobs looking out for an unemployed neighbor, friends or relative. helping them find work. There are jobs out there even if it means travelling. People can look out for each other.

We need for job training centers and vocational training in schools so that children can learn trades as well as their core studies. Many students are not prepared for the workplace. Students should be allowed to do paid internships in companies, hospitals, government from age 15 with a view to becoming employed.

Austria’s strategy of offering labour traineeships and school education simultaneously to young people was the best way to get through the unemployment crisis. The country’s schools have been cooperating with its economy like this for years.
http://austriantimes.at/news/Business/2012-04-03/40671/Unemployment_remains_low

US minimum wage should be raised to $10 (UK minimum wage) or more.

also worth a look:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/poverty-rises-despite-end-of-recession_n_1023946.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-25/companies-say-3-million-unfilled-positions-in-skill-crisis-jobs.html

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
9. They Used To State It More Openly, Ma'am
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 03:24 PM
Jul 2012

In the immortal words of utility baron Samuel Insull: "My experience is that the greatest aid to efficiency of labor is a long line of men waiting at the gate."

"Romney loves America like a tick loves a dog."

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
14. As my old Poli sci Professor used to say....
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:19 AM
Jul 2012

"Never forget that the cure for Poverty is money."

We COULD end poverty and it isn't complicated. The answer is money.

Now what is the REAL question?

bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
16. What is money?
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:26 AM
Jul 2012

- a proxy for labor, or resources, or material goods in general? If so, how should it be fairly distributed, and to what extent should there be a "right to money" (another way of saying a "right to survive&quot independent of labor, resources and so forth?

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
15. This is because of Fox News.
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:25 AM
Jul 2012

The official Fox line:

The poor are the reason America is failing. We can only recover by helping the rich. The rich will float the boat so that everyone will prosper.


Ronald Reagan, their deity, thrived politically with this message. Then we saw the grand scheme come to fruition in 2008. The year of the "no holds barred" giveaway of taxpayer money to the men with golden parachutes.

And it seems that it wasn't an eye opener for half of our country. Only Fox News can keep so many folks unenlightened. Only the avid Lemming followers of Fox news are still sold on a concept proven to be deadly to our American way of life..

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