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Tomorrow night, at this time, will we feel enlightened, shocked or disappointed (Original Post) Siwsan Mar 2018 OP
I hope it doesn't turn out to be an Al Capone's Vault sort of thing, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #1
Me too. She was on Kimmel a month of so ago and was coy, avoiding every question. Hoyt Mar 2018 #2
She wouldnt know how the payment was arranged jberryhill Mar 2018 #11
Thats what Im saying, what has she got to expose? Hoyt Mar 2018 #13
Is that a serious question? jberryhill Mar 2018 #22
I actually had quotations around expose, but there is a problem with quotations Hoyt Mar 2018 #26
The lack of punctuation in subject lines has bedeviled me too jberryhill Mar 2018 #28
There is a setting in preferences- smart punctuation- that causes the problem. bettyellen Mar 2018 #52
Ah good. I dont like anything smart jberryhill Mar 2018 #66
Nothing she can reveal rusty fender Mar 2018 #3
Exactly how I feel right now...enlightened,shocked and extremely disappointed pbmus Mar 2018 #4
60 minutes is not going to get into the size of his dick Jarqui Mar 2018 #5
I'm guessing the DVD contains something more along the line of documentation Siwsan Mar 2018 #8
I have a suspicion that it has something to do with threats. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #9
Everything that happened after the NDA Jarqui Mar 2018 #18
I've no doubt that Avenatti is taunting and baiting Trump. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #20
It is not prostitution jberryhill Mar 2018 #25
If she got paid money after sex and it was more than cab fare Jarqui Mar 2018 #40
You have an unique understanding of how law works jberryhill Mar 2018 #41
I did not say Jarqui Mar 2018 #45
Neither of them has claimed anything of the sort jberryhill Mar 2018 #47
I'm not expecting anything, the exposure is enough HipChick Mar 2018 #6
Nothing really to expect from this. OliverQ Mar 2018 #7
Yea - I'm pretty sure it's been over hyped - so shrugged shoulders are likely on the menu Siwsan Mar 2018 #12
Be Sure To Drink Your Ovaltine jberryhill Mar 2018 #10
Heres my thing brettdale Mar 2018 #14
That test, by the way, is from 2011 jberryhill Mar 2018 #17
it's like everything else. It's going to take time to fully develop bigtree Mar 2018 #15
Aye aye! Siwsan Mar 2018 #16
lol bigtree Mar 2018 #19
Thank you Siwsan Mar 2018 #21
Would you prefer social intercourse then? jberryhill Mar 2018 #30
All three of these volunteers entered into a consensual, sexual relationship with the Dotard, politicaljunkie41910 Mar 2018 #23
If I was using this scenario in a story, how would I fill in the blanks Siwsan Mar 2018 #32
That the pay-off is so small rather amazes me. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #50
Ah, but not if he didn't become president, which few at the time of the nda thought probable ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #54
Precisely Siwsan Mar 2018 #57
Yes, but if this cretin threatened them in any way janx Mar 2018 #33
I've been disappointed every night for the last 1 year and 63 days. MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #24
Sorry to hear that jberryhill Mar 2018 #27
Possibly all 3 MFM008 Mar 2018 #29
yep bout sums it up doesn't it dembotoz Mar 2018 #63
Or maybe just nauseated? nt Laffy Kat Mar 2018 #31
Well, yes, that is a definite possibility Siwsan Mar 2018 #36
I'll read about it on Monday. (n/t) Iggo Mar 2018 #34
her lawyer said she was threatened with physical violence....in person spanone Mar 2018 #35
That seems to be his M.O. Siwsan Mar 2018 #37
Perhaps she may someday have a lawyer who would sue such a person jberryhill Mar 2018 #42
Meh Freethinker65 Mar 2018 #38
It was a great and successful day, wasn't it Siwsan Mar 2018 #39
well this time tomorrow brettdale Mar 2018 #43
Assuming Russia doesn't flip the switch on our power grids ecstatic Mar 2018 #44
As Rachel said Jakes Progress Mar 2018 #46
He will only do that brettdale Mar 2018 #48
I think a lot of people will watch the show, and that is the point. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #49
hope they don't do a orleans Mar 2018 #51
she makes me sick Skittles Mar 2018 #53
Odd side note, my brother actually met her at a Starbucks in Los Angeles Siwsan Mar 2018 #59
I'm thinking that the reveal in the interview LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #55
cant just be allegations brettdale Mar 2018 #56
Yes... LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #62
Personally, I'm not expecting any bombshells, although I'd love to be surprised MrScorpio Mar 2018 #58
Yes -my curiosity is more about the circumstances/fall out than about the people involved Siwsan Mar 2018 #60
+1 LuckyCharms Mar 2018 #61
Meh. The Daniels thing had always been a long second to the Russia story. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #64
If nothing else, it will be a big part of his political and historical legacy Siwsan Mar 2018 #65

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,523 posts)
1. I hope it doesn't turn out to be an Al Capone's Vault sort of thing,
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 09:03 PM
Mar 2018

heavily hyped but nothing there. But I kind of think it will be at least interesting, if not earth-shattering.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Me too. She was on Kimmel a month of so ago and was coy, avoiding every question.
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 09:10 PM
Mar 2018


If she doesn't come up with something about being threatened or some revelation about how the payments were illegal, this will be a bust in my opinion. I really don't care to hear any details of their sick relationship.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. She wouldnt know how the payment was arranged
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 09:53 PM
Mar 2018

The money went to her lawyers trust account, and he cut a check from that. I often receive settlements for clients. If it goes into the account, where it came from is none of my concern.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
22. Is that a serious question?
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:36 PM
Mar 2018

You are asking what she has to expose? A lot. Try a google image search.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. I actually had quotations around expose, but there is a problem with quotations
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:43 PM
Mar 2018

and apostrophes not appearing when using an Apple device.

It is an extremely humorous situation, and would be embarrassing for anyone but trump.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
3. Nothing she can reveal
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 09:18 PM
Mar 2018

will hurt him politically, or with his base. Even the so-called non racists will still find an excuse to support him

Jarqui

(10,118 posts)
5. 60 minutes is not going to get into the size of his dick
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 09:24 PM
Mar 2018

Her lawyer posturing with the DVD suggests a limited disclosure during the interview

I'm sure it will generate some headlines but I doubt much substance

Siwsan

(26,238 posts)
8. I'm guessing the DVD contains something more along the line of documentation
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 09:31 PM
Mar 2018

I don't doubt it's possible there are photos or videos, but I also don't think it is probable. And anyway, it's impossible to shame the shameless.

The salacious won't get rid of him. What I'm hoping for is something more along the lines of campaign improprieties or something else that might involve potential legal involvement.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,523 posts)
9. I have a suspicion that it has something to do with threats.
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 09:37 PM
Mar 2018

Maybe she secretly videoed Cohen coercing her to sign the NDA. I don't think it will be dick pics - at least, I hope not.

Jarqui

(10,118 posts)
18. Everything that happened after the NDA
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:17 PM
Mar 2018

ie like threats, they're probably fair game for her to disclose publicly.

A threat may be illegal depending on the type of threat. You cannot contract for something illegal.

That is an interesting point: if he tried to pay her for sex like he did Karen McDougal (who claims she declined the money) and Stormy accepted the money, that may be prostitution and you cannot contract to not disclose a crime. The NDA could not cover that. So Stormy could talk about the so-called crime if that were the case - long past the statute of limitations.

What it feels like is Stormy's attorney is baiting Trump - trying to get him to respond - because once he does, the NDA probably falls apart. So the 60 minutes interview will reveal as much as they can to try to get Trump to take the bait - or force a response.

If Trump starts tweeting about it, something meaningful is likely to come out.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,523 posts)
20. I've no doubt that Avenatti is taunting and baiting Trump.
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:26 PM
Mar 2018

So far Trump's lawyers have managed to keep him from tweeting something that could blow up the whole contract, but they can't watch him 24-7. I really hope he has a twitter fit about the whole thing because Avenatti will pounce on him like a hungry leopard on a slow, stupid antelope.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
25. It is not prostitution
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:42 PM
Mar 2018

Neither of the situations you describe are prostitution.

If you offer your Tinder hookup some money for cabfare home after sex, the sex was not premised on the payment. Gifts are still legal.

And, no, there is no “post facto prostitution” by which an NDA payment some 12 years later renders the sex to have been prostitution. Trumps partners may have received all kinds of gifts and travel expenses, but those are just that.

If you think that any payment which is somehow related to sex as prostitution, then I’m not sure what you make of an adult film performance. That is payment for acting, not sex. The sex is all an entertainment performance.

Jarqui

(10,118 posts)
40. If she got paid money after sex and it was more than cab fare
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 12:28 AM
Mar 2018

it becomes her word against his. Her lawyer might run with it - particularly in the wake him him trying to pay Karen McDougal. Karen was upset because his attempted payment made her feel like a hooker.

I'm playing Devil's advocate in terms of an opening for Stormy and her lawyer. Trump is not necessarily on solid ground there. Stormy is a porn star who has sex with actors on film. Trump is married. They did not know each other. If he throws a bunch of money at her after sex, it gets murky.

Now, maybe like Karen, Stormy would prefer not to be made out to be a hooker in the national media - that's probably the case. Just saying a lawyer may find an opening to exploit there if they want to go down that path.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
41. You have an unique understanding of how law works
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 12:37 AM
Mar 2018

There is nothing to be had with your peculiar definition of prostitution. Neither offering a gift after sex nor paying for an NDA are any form of prostitution whatsoever in any state.

Jarqui

(10,118 posts)
45. I did not say
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 01:11 AM
Mar 2018

"Neither offering a gift after sex nor paying for an NDA are any form of prostitution whatsoever in any state."

they were.

I agree that that is probably what happened. However ...

.. when sex with a stranger happens and more than cab fare gets exchanged, her lawyer might spin it into claiming something else. It becomes his word against hers. How does Trump disprove it? Now, remember, we're talking the balance of probabilities in civil law - not beyond reasonable doubt in criminal law. If she has a video of her receiving a wad of cash from Trump, Trump might have a real problem on his hands - that his NDA won't be able to keep quiet.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
47. Neither of them has claimed anything of the sort
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 01:26 AM
Mar 2018

But I’m fascinated with your belief that it would make any substantive difference to anything relevant in either legal action.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
7. Nothing really to expect from this.
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 09:27 PM
Mar 2018

It's just an interview about her relationship. Not really sure what bombshell info she could give that anyone is really that shocked by.

Siwsan

(26,238 posts)
12. Yea - I'm pretty sure it's been over hyped - so shrugged shoulders are likely on the menu
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:06 PM
Mar 2018

The only thing that makes me wonder is that they have waited so long to air this segment. Documentation of threats wouldn't be all that surprising. And trump* not tweeting out insults against Stormy is another odd bit. But, again, even if CBS knows it's a notorious 'nothing burger', it would probably look worse if they didn't air it, at all.

I guess we will all know, soon enough.

brettdale

(12,356 posts)
14. Heres my thing
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:11 PM
Mar 2018

The March for our lives thing is the big news story of the weekend, there must be a plan
to get out the youth vote, if it succeeds the house and the senate will go to the democrats.

In terms of the Stormy dainels interview, I think this is going to be our Al Capone Vault moment.

It will be a massive letdown, there will be no shock, there will be no evidence, it will be Stormy
making more allegations but with no photographic/video proof, there will be nothing of concern
to Trump.

The big shock moment of it, Im guessing will be video of her lie dector test, but thats it.

I think effects need to be put into getting out the youth vote, and fingers crossed that
Mueller finds something.

The Stormy interview will be nothing.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
17. That test, by the way, is from 2011
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:15 PM
Mar 2018

She took that test when she did an interview with InTouch or some similar publication, back in 2011. Pieces of that interview have been floating around for years.

Plus, her Make America Horny Again tour performances have been billed to include live action re-enactments of parts of it.

These descriptions are out there, for the curious.

bigtree

(85,970 posts)
15. it's like everything else. It's going to take time to fully develop
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:11 PM
Mar 2018

...give it a fucking minute before smothering it with cynicism.

This sort of skepticism just plays into the hands of demagogues. Watch this thread for the boobirds.

Siwsan

(26,238 posts)
21. Thank you
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:27 PM
Mar 2018

Still not clear on the problem, but that's ok. It's been a long day and I'm too tired to try to figure it out.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
23. All three of these volunteers entered into a consensual, sexual relationship with the Dotard,
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:38 PM
Mar 2018

with their eyes wide open, according to their own statements, knowing who and what he was; a thrice married serial philanderer, and a liar. Now they want the opportunity to tell their own story in their own way. There was a time when such tawdry behavior would have been kept under wraps, rather than a platform sought in which to air all their dirty laundry. I have no desire to watch. No one comes out of this sordid affair with any dignity intact.

Siwsan

(26,238 posts)
32. If I was using this scenario in a story, how would I fill in the blanks
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:51 PM
Mar 2018

Waiting 10 years to present the NDA - ok that, no doubt, had to do with the campaign, so I'm assuming others were approached, too. How many - who knows.

How would I make sense of the relatively small payoff. Volume? Undue pressure via threats?

I know that may seem like a weird way to view this situation, but it's a habit I developed, over the years. Maybe I hang around with too many writers

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
50. That the pay-off is so small rather amazes me.
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 02:12 AM
Mar 2018

But . . . she was probably just happy to get the money.

However, the screen rights to her story would be worth far more. Strange that she accepted so little.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
54. Ah, but not if he didn't become president, which few at the time of the nda thought probable ...
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 04:49 AM
Mar 2018

You're looking at it through an incorrect lens I'm afraid ... if he's "Trump, Failed Candidate" nobody gives a crap about her story and she'd never get 140K to tell it to anyone.

Siwsan

(26,238 posts)
57. Precisely
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 07:53 AM
Mar 2018

But as for the amount offered, wasn't it reported in Wolfe's book that Bannon stated something about them paying off 'around 100' women? $100,000 here, $100,000 there, and we are starting to talk about big bucks. Bannon didn't dispute that statement.

I have no idea how much money porn stars make, but I gather from everything I've read, she is pretty well known.
Which is why, in my TOTALLY fictional take off on the story, I would write about some nefarious reason such a relatively low pay off was accepted.

Who knows - this whole situation may have just re-stimulated my imagination and lifted me out of my writing slump!

janx

(24,128 posts)
33. Yes, but if this cretin threatened them in any way
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:57 PM
Mar 2018

after the consensual, sexual relationship, it does matter.

I don't care who was diddling whom when it comes to a world leader, but I do care if people were threatened as a result.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
24. I've been disappointed every night for the last 1 year and 63 days.
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:40 PM
Mar 2018

I doubt tomorrow will be any different.

I'm hoping to sleep like a baby the day he is out of office, in prison or dead. Whichever comes first.

spanone

(135,765 posts)
35. her lawyer said she was threatened with physical violence....in person
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:09 PM
Mar 2018

perhaps she'll reveal who threatened her....cohen?

Siwsan

(26,238 posts)
37. That seems to be his M.O.
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:19 PM
Mar 2018

Although I thought he claimed he hasn't been in contact with her. This has dragged on for so long, I'm actually starting to lose the thread! Her lawyer is going to be on 'The View' on Monday, so if this is a big piece of nothing, he will have to be on his best game to deal with that panel.

Siwsan

(26,238 posts)
39. It was a great and successful day, wasn't it
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:44 PM
Mar 2018

Our weather could have been a little warmer and less windy, but there was a good, enthusiastic crowd. I wish my back had behaved so I could have stayed longer, but such is life.

brettdale

(12,356 posts)
43. well this time tomorrow
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 12:42 AM
Mar 2018

We will know, if its nothing, I think this could hurt Cooper's career, he will
be torn a new one on social media.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
46. As Rachel said
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 01:24 AM
Mar 2018

He will try to keep every station from reporting about it by firing Mueller or Sessions or maybe bombing something. Just like the McMasters firing took eyes of the other woman testifying about and affair.

There is a game on alright.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
49. I think a lot of people will watch the show, and that is the point.
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 02:08 AM
Mar 2018

Stormy Daniels is making a laughing stock of Donald Trump.

When all is said and done, she is a woman, nothing more, nothing less.

She is not the love of his life. She is not the mother of his children. She is not his help-meet. She meant very little to him, and he to her.

And that is why Trump's relationship with Stormy Daniels makes a joke of Trump.

It shows how shallow he is.

Of course, the 60 Minutes program will not reveal any amazing secrets.

The fact is that Donald Trump risked his relationship with his wife, Melania, to sleep with women who meant realtively little to him.

He is a shallow, ridiculous man. There isn't much to him, and that is why people will be laughing at him after the 60 Minutes show tomorrow.

orleans

(34,039 posts)
51. hope they don't do a
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 02:19 AM
Mar 2018

"we will now join the program already in progress" crap.

they did that on saturday with a basketball game

Siwsan

(26,238 posts)
59. Odd side note, my brother actually met her at a Starbucks in Los Angeles
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 08:13 AM
Mar 2018

I can't remember if he was working on a project (he worked at the 20th Century Fox movie studio) or if he was there getting a coffee and she was working on a project but my brother is very gregarious and they somehow realized that they both worked in 'the business', albeit in very different branches.

When this story broke he immediately recognized her. He said they had a really pleasant conversation about the film business, in general, and that she was very nice, quite smart, and beyond up front about what she did for a living.

As for me, at this point, my curiosity is more about the circumstances than the individuals involved. I plead guilty to my desperation to learn there is something out that than can take him out of office is taking priority over my usual standards. And I have little doubt I will be disappointed.

LuckyCharms

(17,405 posts)
55. I'm thinking that the reveal in the interview
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 05:02 AM
Mar 2018

will be related to threats that she received.

I'm not looking for any details concerning the sex...I don't think too many people would be shocked or surprised about anything that is said in that regard.

I think they have proof of something that happened concerning threats to her physical well-being.

brettdale

(12,356 posts)
56. cant just be allegations
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 06:03 AM
Mar 2018

Has to be proof of threats.

If your right and its proof of threats, then wow.

LuckyCharms

(17,405 posts)
62. Yes...
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 08:29 AM
Mar 2018

The confidence of her lawyer makes me believe they have either video or audio of a heinous threat.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
58. Personally, I'm not expecting any bombshells, although I'd love to be surprised
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 07:57 AM
Mar 2018

It's not the seedier stuff that I'm concerned with than any possible conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws by Trump and his lawyers.

I'm sure that Mueller's people will be on the look out for that.

Siwsan

(26,238 posts)
60. Yes -my curiosity is more about the circumstances/fall out than about the people involved
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 08:16 AM
Mar 2018

The salacious bits are pretty boring, at this point. The immorality of cheating on another wife is trump*'s business. The illegalities, if there are any, are our business.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,129 posts)
64. Meh. The Daniels thing had always been a long second to the Russia story.
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 08:38 AM
Mar 2018

The matter of the payoff is interesting to me but everything else I honestly couldn’t care less about.

Mainly because I’m really not in the mood to think about Donald Trump having sex.

The day before the Mueller report gets issued in an entirely different story altogether.

Siwsan

(26,238 posts)
65. If nothing else, it will be a big part of his political and historical legacy
Sun Mar 25, 2018, 08:51 AM
Mar 2018

And not in a good way. He seems to be very concerned about how he is viewed, and very delusional about the reality. This stain will be carried on my his name.

I was just thinking about Barron, and how sadly lacking he is in good male role models.

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