Lets not hail Stormy as a hero

[RhodeIslandOne]

I hope and pray she’s one of the last nails in the coffin. Make no mistake.

But the exchange in the interview where she talks about walking in the room and seeing Trump, that fat revolting fuck, sitting on the bed and all she can do is say “oh look what I’ve gotten myself into” and then has sex with him is one of the most pathetic things I’ve ever heard someone cop to.

[IluvPitties]

1. I agree 100%!

She's not a hero or a sympathetic character in this story.

[Trust Buster]

2. This was probably in the pre-Depends era.....

[hlthe2b]

3. well, you and I and most people don't look at sex as transactional

A very different mindset. But, she surely didn't deserve to be threatened in front of her infant daughter and frankly, I DO believe that she was.

[IluvPitties]

4. She was threatened, and that's a crime indeed. In that sense, she is a victim.

However, at the time of the affair, she had the option of rejecting his advances, and she simply chose not to, possibly in search of some benefit.

[RhodeIslandOne]

6. Id have more respect for it if she got cash up front

I’m sort of unclear on what she was fishing for? A spot on The Apprentice?

[IluvPitties]

12. Very possibly. Many porn stars dream of transitioning into mainstream media or Hollywood.

Maybe she though he could help...

[RhodeIslandOne]

8. I agree the threats are a different thing altogether

[Glorfindel]

5. Hey, the lady's got to make a living. Cut her some slack.

Many's the day I woke up and didn't want to go to work but went anyway. A job's a job...hooker, proctologist, evangelical huckster. Whatever it takes to separate fat, revolting fucks from their money is all right with me.

[janx]

7. And hers is, after all,

the world's oldest profession.

[LisaL]

10. The worlds oldest profession is prostitution.

Not pornography.

[IluvPitties]

14. Not the same, but similar in the sense that people are paid to have sex.

[Merlot]

51. Thanks for pointing that out. Some people seem unclear on that distinction.

[jberryhill]

52. Theres more evidence of ancient pornography than of prostitution

You do know that “worlds oldest profession” is not a historical fact.

Prostitution requires the development of commerce.

There is plenty of ancient pornography.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

9. Feeling like she "deserved" to go through with sex with him becauase of the decisions that led her

there is a result of rape culture. It is pathetic, but only because it's a symptom of our society's broken attitude toward sex, power and consent.

[RhodeIslandOne]

13. Sorry, I think thats an insult...

...to any woman who’s had to fight her way out of a locked room to get away from a rapist or a woman who’s actual boss said their job hinges on having sex with them.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

17. What is the insult?

[IluvPitties]

15. I've read similar opinions, and I have to disagree.

There's nothing in the story that indicates that she was forced to have sex with Donald. She made that calculation or decision out of her own volition, according to her. Why not believe her? No need to victimize her.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

20. That's fair.

To me, it sounds like at the last moment she regretted her choice to go that far. It's not uncommon, and I think that people who feel like they have to "go through with something" after having "gone so far" are feeling a pressure that shouldn't exist, but does.

[emulatorloo]

24. She said it was totally consensual.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

26. I know.

[emulatorloo]

30. She said she was not a victim, and it bothers her when people try to claim she was

She was especially bothered by people who say it was a “me too” situation. Because that diminishes what those women went through at the hands of their abusers.

She was quite clear on all this.

[IluvPitties]

35. She's a businesswoman, and sex is her business.

That needs to be respected.

[emulatorloo]

38. I appreciated her honesty

and I am a little perturbed by the need of some to judge her or put her in a victim role when clearly that is not who she is.

[IluvPitties]

41. There is a tendency, at least recently, to question the whole concept of consent.

I tend to believe a person when they repeatedly say they consented. Not every woman is a victim of power dynamics or abuse.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

42. Yes, I know.

[emulatorloo]

46. Then listen to what shes saying and dont try to fit her into a box she explicitly rejects

[IluvPitties]

25. Interesting perspective.

[treestar]

56. The way she put it was odd though

She had gotten herself into the situation and felt she had to deal with the consequences, which was having sex with him. She said she was not forced and not a victim. But she admitted she did not want sex with him. She just felt like she had to from the situation she had gotten herself into. Why did she think that? She could have left.

[treestar]

55. Yeah I was concerned when she said that

She still could have left the room. She seemed to feel she had to. She admitted she did not want to have sex with him, and then immediately said she is not claiming to be a victim.

[nadine_mn]

11. Right...because at no point was she ever in any danger

Women who work in the sex industry are in a high risk group...they go missing all the time, end uo murdered, raped, beaten etc. because they are seen as disposable.

Who are the police going to believe...a millionaire white male or a porn star?

You can say "no way Trump was going to hurt her" but his anger is legendary and so is the fact that he surrounds himself with thuggish body guards who have no problem hitting women ( Lewindowsky).

So she had no idea how he would react to her refusal in a private hotel room. Yes it was consensual, but that doesn't mean she wanted to.

She did what she felt she had to do...she knew it would be her word against his.

So yeah, in my eyes she is a hero...she still has privilege over other sex workers who aren't white, aren't cis-female, she is educated and has some resources. But she is still taking a risk, she is still speaking up and speaking out, she isn't going away quietly. Maybe her strength will give other women strength to speak up.

[RhodeIslandOne]

16. I dont think thats why she didnt walk out

I think she wanted more money and TV time and having sex with a revolting famous dude was the way to that. As much as it repulsed her in the moment.

I have to take her word that she’s not a #metoo victim.

[janx]

19. Yep.

She admitted as much in the interview.

[treestar]

57. It is not either/or

The way she thought she had to have sex with him - no one is saying she is a victim, etc. But there is an observation that she specifically did not want sex with him, but felt she had put herself in that position and was stuck with it.

I suppose men could end up in such a position too.

[jberryhill]

18. Then how did she manage to walk the second time?

[MaryMagdaline]

31. He didn't get her the job. She could only be conned once

She told him see ya when I get the job. It was a transaction.

She was a victim only in the sense that he lies and cheats all if his contractors. She just caught on early.

[IluvPitties]

37. She was an independent contractor...

[MaryMagdaline]

45. Very independent.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. She's a survivor.

[Kirk Lover]

22. I personally have not seen anyone hail Stormy as a 'hero'...I mean WTF.

[RhodeIslandOne]

23. YMMV

[emulatorloo]

27. +1

[obnoxiousdrunk]

32. +1.

[JI7]

36. yup

[stonecutter357]

28. Make no mistake Stormy is a hero !

[DinahMoeHum]

29. She doesn't consider herself a hero. . .

. . .and she doesn't consder herself a victim, either, #MeToo variety or not.

This was a business transaction turned bizarre. . .IOW, a lousy lay.

[MaryMagdaline]

33. agreed.

[handmade34]

34. people

have many different ways of viewing sex and reasons for engaging in... love, business, fun, dysfunctional addiction, purely procreation, obligation, guilt, medical reasons, etc...

I will not judge and I think we probably shouldn't

Stormy Daniels intrigues me and I appreciate her willingness to speak out

[IluvPitties]

40. Good post!

[dawg day]

39. Then again, let's enjoy her devastating put-down

Anderson Cooper: You were 27, he was 60. Were you physically attracted to him?

Stormy Daniels: No.

Anderson Cooper: Not at all?

Stormy Daniels: No.

Anderson Cooper: Did you want to have sex with him?

Stormy Daniels: No.

[RhodeIslandOne]

44. Yeah

Great put down, but he got what he wanted.

Hopefully it finally comes back to spank him so to speak.

[treestar]

60. Yes, that puts down the claim that

women find men with money attractive, lol. They may do something for the money, but it's not actual sexual attraction.

[phleshdef]

43. She made a living from having sex with men on camera. Consider her perspective.

Trump was just another person she thought she had to fuck to get to the next level, at least thats how the whole thing seems.

[Sparkly]

48. Not for anyone else to judge.

[emulatorloo]

49. Im not qualified to judge others like this.

[Lisa0825]

50. Not a hero, but brave? Yes.

Brave for speaking out, despite threats.

I don't judge her for having sex with him. I am sure since she has a career in the sex industry, her perspective on it is far removed from most of us. I can understand HER being in a situation where she has gone along as things escalated to a point and decided she "might as well" go through with it.

That is not something I would brush off for someone who sees sex as a deep emotional connection you make with only someone you love, but that is not her perspective.

So - hero? No. Brave? Yes. Victim of assault? Probably not. Victim of threats and intimidation? Definitely.

[Siwsan]

53. My take is she went into this encounter with a 'Quid Pro Quo' mindset

Which is probably the mind set of most people who go into any situation with trump*.

[Demsrule86]

54. That indicate low self esteem. That it was her fault as 'she put herself in this situation' and

I think she was interested in appearing on the Apprentice.

[NewJeffCT]

58. She's brave for speaking up against

Trump and his band of thugs. However, unless she can prove she was threatened by somebody tied to Trump, it's not really going to amount to much, in my opinion. If she has physical evidence (pictures, video) of the two of them having sex, it will likely hurt Trump in the wallet when Melania divorces him and can toss out the pre-nup.

[MoonRiver]

59. That totally grossed me out!

I guess it was worth it for a shot at appearing on "Celebrity Apprentice."