How Responsible Gun Owners Defend Their Right

[SoCalMusicLover]

"JUST TRY AND TAKE MY GUNS!"

That's right.....pass a law and try to take my guns, and I'll shoot you.

[NCTraveler]

1. Each person who states such a thing is concerned they can't pass a background check. nt

[ProudLib72]

3. Or they think a background check constitutes an infringement on their rights

The 2nd amendment doesn't say anything about background checks. Ergo, I will shoot you if you try to do one on me because that is big government trying to meddle in my rights!

[Demsrule86]

38. Scalia said that there could be restrictions ...so too fucking bad...the person can sit his gum

humping butt in jail.

[samir.g]

2. OK, let's do that

[hack89]

4. Responsible gun owners are not concerned about losing their guns.

I am certainly not. Because informed gun owners understand the reality of gun control in America.

[NickB79]

5. Same here.

I have several guns.

I'm not losing sleep over it. Worst case, I turn in a banned gun, take my government-issued compensation check, and buy a new gun not on a banned list. Just like the gun owners in Australia did.

[Hoyt]

8. You won't get a check. Read the 5th Amendment, and don't leave out important

phrases like 2nd Amendment lovers do.

You made a bad investment, and deserve nothing.

[NickB79]

10. We already discussed this, Hoyt

I supplied you with the relevant case laws, and pointed out your errors. You are ignoring recent USSC rulings that you happen to dislike.

But, the true test will be when the most recent lawsuit in the Florida courts is decided, since it directly addresses the issue of compensation for banned firearm items.

We can discuss it more then :wave:

[Hoyt]

11. Actually, you missed legal analysis from Duke about whether confiscating guns would be "public use."

It must be PUBLIC USE to even be considered for payment. Taking your guns does not, and not one of your "cases" involves guns. Taking cows to feed the troops is not the same as taking guns and destroying them.

You made a bad investment.


THE PUBLIC USE TEST: WOULD A BAN
ON THE POSSESSION OF FIREARMS
REQUIRE JUST COMPENSATION?

". . . . .Such laws [bans] would much more likely be passed for the purpose of ridding society of firearms and not because there is a public need to use the weapons. In fact, the weapons would probably be destroyed after seizure. In this more likely case, the public would benefit passively from the arguably safer society in which they would live. This benefit, however, is not public use as defined in this note and does not require compensation under the fifth amendment.

Thus, under the three-part public use test, no compensation would be required by the fifth amendment if there were a federal or state ban on the possession of firearms. Such a result may seem viscerally unfair; however, one must remember that if every regulation of property required compensation, a government would be unable to operate. More importantly, this result is dictated by the words of the Constitution. Under the analysis proposed in this note, that constitutional language is capable of a single, clear interpretation, which can guide courts to a rational treatment of the taking issue.

https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3833&context=lcp



I would also point out that white wing AG Jeff Sessions is working on banning the ownership (not just the sale) of bump-stocks. He's not offering gunners a penny, zip. Why? Because you have misinterpreted the 5th Amendment, just like the 2nd.

[EX500rider]

12. And if banned without compensation just what % do you think would be turned in?

[Hoyt]

14. Hey, get caught with one- go to jail, have all your guns confiscated, no more buying

guns, no more toting, etc. I’m fine with that.

Guess gunners are only law-abiding when it suits you.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

15. I wouldn't want to be the one doing the catching

I don't know too many others that would either.

[Hoyt]

16. More evidence gunners are not law-abiding and responsible members of society.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

17. My evidence of the poor ratio of passion to pipedream in the pro-"control" crowd. n/t

[Hoyt]

20. Its getting hotter for the gun-fanciers. That behavior is not going to be tolerated

much longer.

[Marengo]

22. And thieves are?

[Hoyt]

23. There's that irrational fear of thieves. Christ, Marengo, over 2/3rds of us do fine without a boat

load of guns and/or one or two strapped on our bodies to walk out the door.

[Marengo]

24. You cant possibly expect me to believe you didnt...

Understand what I was referring to. I can however believe an armed occupant might present a threat when you were engaged in thievery, so your attitude towards gun is understandable.

[EX500rider]

18. Most people take a dim view of the government seizing expensive property with no compensation..

...who'da guessed?
The turn in rate would be below 10% I'd guess.
It's not like the government has any idea who has them anyway...."Yeah I sold it to some guy awhile back" "It fell over while boating" "It was stolen & I didn't report it" etc.

Everyone is only law abiding when it suits them....otherwise there would be no speeding or drug usage or shoplifting or etc.

[Hoyt]

19. No most white wing gun nuts do. Theyve never been law-abiding.

[Marengo]

25. In what way are they not law abiding?

[EX500rider]

27. B.S. Hoyt...99.9% of gun owners guns hurt no one...ever.

Regardless of skin color. You might want to look into homicide rates by race and educate yourself.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

21. Gun-control is a myth because "control" is a myth

The only real control, outside of places like ADX Florence, is self-control. One of the reasons for the perennial failure of the "control" movement is its name. Those that fervently attracted to the idea of controlling people so they won't become criminals have been sold a bill of goods. Control isn't possible.

The list of how to is ridiculous: get a 3D printer, get an 80% lower, hell just get a drill press...

[Hoyt]

26. You've certainly shown how important guns are to you, you'd even print one and violate the law.

Truthfully, it would be interesting to see these guys running around with "printed" guns.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

32. And you've predictably shown how little you know n/t

[Demsrule86]

39. Oh...we will write better bills to put and end to that shit...learned much...no one needs a

military grade weapon period.

[peggysue2]

6. I'm a responsible gun owner

So is my husband. Neither of us take the stance as stated.

Seems to me you're describing gun cultists, not responsible gun owners.

[Major Nikon]

13. ...

[peggysue2]

28. That's the Cult of the Gun

I cringed when I heard that speech for the first time. That being said, I'm no fan of The Planet of the Apes either.

I own guns but I'm not wedded to them. I live in a region now where guns are generational in nature, an ingrained mentality. But even here, young people are stepping back from the idea. Attitudes are shifting. Where I grew up in the MidAtlantic, a rural farming community, it was basically farmers who owned guns to protect their livestock and/or hunters. The fetish of the gun had not materialized to the extent it has now, urged into being and amplified by the NRA.

There are responsible gun owners out there. There are citizens in poor, rural areas who hunt to eat, to put meat on the table. The vast majority of gun owners support gun regulations; the NRA does not represent us.

The right to own a gun is not absolute. Responsible gun owners know this and are just as horrified by the cycle of violence as everyone else. Military-grade weapons have no place on our streets or in our homes.

I stand where I did when I first opened this OP. This does not represent responsible gun owners, rather the fever swamp of the gun cultists and the purists who think lumping us all together will solve the problem.

It won't.

Or maybe the point is just to stir up animosity among people who are on the same side. There's a lot of that going on right now.

[Major Nikon]

29. Then it's a pretty big cult

It's not as if Charlton Heston came up with that mantra on his own and the support for the idea is overwhelming. I'm convinced there is such a thing as a responsible gun owner. I'm also convinced those that don't fit that category is huge and their numbers are growing. They care far more about precious than they are ever going to care for the rule of law.

[peggysue2]

31. Chris Hayes had a shocking statistic

Last night, Chris Hayes gave out a statistic that I had read elsewhere:

3% of gun owners own nearly 50% of the privately owned guns in the country. These are the stockpilers, the super gun ownership people, the individuals who mistrust/hate government and/or are waiting for the apocalypse. With glee.

Of course, Charlton Heston didn't come up with the mantra on his own. The phrase itself is as old as dirt, the Live Free or Die screech, particularly popular during the Cold War while I was growing up.

Commies, Hippies, Traitors, Oh my.

The NRA folks were thrilled that Heston in his twilight years gave voice to their most reckless dreams--the entire population armed to the teeth, filled with swagger and rage against the . . . Libtards, the Government, the people designated as wanting to 'take away your guns.'

This is Manipulation 101. Fear-mongering and stoking the beast.

Responsible gun owners? We're out here. We're on the same side; we want the same things--an end to the senseless loss of life and cycle of violence.

Propagandists may try to set us against one another, but we are not the enemy.

[Demsrule86]

40. I think polls clearly show, we want gun control ...and now voters are saying it is a voting issue...

that is the key...the NRA will be sorry they didn't come to the table in good faith to try to curb gun violence...it will be way worse for them later.

[Major Nikon]

42. The key is going to be tying politicians to NRA money

As a 501c organization the NRA is being used to launder tax free money to the GOP. Once that money becomes toxic, the worm will turn.

[Demsrule86]

43. No, I think the key is to emphasize that the only way for gun legislation is with a Democratic

majority...some red state Dems have taken NRA money...so what you suggest might hurt us. Someone said Sen. Sanders did at one time and he did vote against gun legislation over the years...we have to be careful.

[rzemanfl]

7. I hope you just forgot the :sarcasm: thing. n/t

[maxrandb]

9. Fucking cowards

Have never seen a Carrier Air Wing or Marine Expeditionary Unit in action.

[SQUEE]

33. I don't know what your response is supposed to mean.

[maxrandb]

35. It means that if we pass a valid law banning and outlawing these types of weapons of war

There are ways to enforce that law.

I get so sick of these asshats who say they "need their assault weapons for defense against a tyrannical government".

I don't care how many guns or rounds of ammunition they have, the military I served will still turn them into pink vapor if they want to pull their militia shit.

That's one criticism I have of President Obama. When those asshats pointed their penis enhancers at federal law enforcement officials, or took over public lands, he should have responded with overwhelming force.

It's the only thing those dickheads understand.

[SQUEE]

36. Oh, one of those.

Yeah, the military I served with seems to be a far different place than yours. Those guys had no love of Democrats and really loved their guns. Most are out now and well armed. Good thing they left all the training and skills at the CIF with their TA50 .

I am not so sure they will be on the side of the angels Max, not sure of that at all.

[Demsrule86]

41. I hope their guns can help them with health care because their GOP buddies are going to privatize it

Let me tell you something if they rebel against this government they are traitors and will be accorded appropriate consequences.

[Bayard]

30. "Your proposal is acceptable"

[Aristus]

34. I love that scene.

Laugh my ass off every time I see it.

[pintobean]

37. So, alien bugs will be the enforcers

May as well be. It's all fantasy anyway.