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Tue Mar 27, 2018, 09:51 PM

OK! Who's with Justice Stevens? Repeal the 2nd? K&R to show the way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opinion/john-paul-stevens-repeal-second-amendment.html?action=click&contentCollection=Sports&module=Trending&version=Fullģion=Marginalia&pgtype=article




15 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
The Second Admendment should be repealed to make way for serious gun control.
9 (60%)
You're dreaming. I would like to repeal the second but I'm too pratical to even consider mentioning it.
6 (40%)
The evil socialist government will break every other right from the bill of rights if we can't fight back with our weapons.
0 (0%)
I support the NRA in its effort to defraud the voters of the USA and think all the 2nd admendment talk is just the trick to do it.
0 (0%)
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Reply OK! Who's with Justice Stevens? Repeal the 2nd? K&R to show the way. (Original post)
rgbecker Mar 2018 OP
Tribalceltic Mar 2018 #1
JI7 Mar 2018 #2
elocs Mar 2018 #3
blake2012 Mar 2018 #4
HopeAgain Mar 2018 #5
DemocracyMouse Mar 2018 #6
BootinUp Mar 2018 #7
hack89 Mar 2018 #8
rgbecker Mar 2018 #9
hack89 Mar 2018 #10
BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #13
hack89 Mar 2018 #18
Hoyt Mar 2018 #11
Stallion Mar 2018 #12
aikoaiko Mar 2018 #14
A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2018 #15
samir.g Mar 2018 #16
ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #17
VOX Mar 2018 #19
TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #20

Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 10:13 PM

1. I may be dreaming...

But anything is better than the nightmare of children dying in school!

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 10:17 PM

2. I Am

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 10:24 PM

3. This is just an exercise in fantasy

and no more likely to happen than the U.S. being officially declared an atheist state.

The Second Amendment will not be repealed because too many people on the Left are fickle and undependable voters who can't be bothered to show up at the polls unless they are motivated or excited about the election and if the candidate passes their purity test.
Laws and policies are made, lives are saved or changed as a result of those who choose to participate in our electoral system, flawed and imperfect as it is, and not by those who opt out.
Even when the choice is between only bad or evil, the rational and intelligent person does what they can do to make sure that evil does not prevail. Elections do have consequences, a concept that I don't know why so many on the Left have trouble grasping.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 10:26 PM

4. Yes, if I was dreaming big I would say repeal and replace

 

Leave the rest, but take out right to keep and bear arms or radically alter to show we can better control arms in this country.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 10:28 PM

5. Stevens is completely right

whether or not it ever happens. The Heller decision is maybe the worst since Plessy v. Ferguson.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 10:29 PM

6. This is a hilariously loaded poll, but I vote for repeal

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 10:29 PM

7. This thread and poll is an excellent example

of why DU doesn't equate to Democrats.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 10:30 PM

8. Just how is the 2A preventing serious gun control?

What do you want that it prevents you from attaining?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 10:38 PM

9. Here's what Justice Stevens says:

"That decision ó which I remain convinced was wrong and certainly was debatable ó has provided the N.R.A. with a propaganda weapon of immense power. Overturning that decision via a constitutional amendment to get rid of the Second Amendment would be simple and would do more to weaken the N.R.A.ís ability to stymie legislative debate and block constructive gun control legislation than any other available option."

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Response to rgbecker (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 10:46 PM

10. So there are no actual legal impediments

What I thought.

Stevens is getting senile if he thinks there is public support to repeal the 2A. There is not even public support for strict gun control.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:13 PM

13. Sorry that your golden age of gun rights is headed for the dustbin of history

I know how dearly you cherish it.

Your head is in the sand if you donít see which way public opinion is moving on stricter gun control, and Stevens makes a number of quite lucid points if you care to read the piece. In case you donít:

Concern that a national standing army might pose a threat to the security of the separate states led to the adoption of that amendment, which provides that ďa well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.Ē Today that concern is a relic of the 18th century.




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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:53 AM

18. If it happens, it will be well after I am gone

I will pay attention when Congress starts passing laws.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 10:49 PM

11. Just interpret it as intended, problems solved.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:12 PM

12. Alabama, Tennessee, West Virginia, Texas, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina

Georgia, Arkansas, Kansas, Utah, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Alaska, Arizona, Indiana, Nebraska. Idaho SAY Hi!!!



Its M-A-T-H-that's 22 states right there without considering several other states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, Iowa, Colorado etc where gun rights are strong but sometimes elect Democrats

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.[3]

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:22 PM

14. Sadly, Justice Stephens proved the NRA right.


Nice job JP

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:52 PM

15. Shoot for the stars.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:08 AM

16. Repeal it, then take every single gun from the rednecks

Enjoy their tears and wailing for their precious.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:00 AM

17. I voted for the dream

I'm not shy about telling people I would grab their guns, but I acknowledge the reality that is our difficult amendment system.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 07:28 AM

19. Am a bit high tonight, so I'm down with Just-Ice-Stevens. Repeal the whole m***********g thing.

Eradicate the ancient flintlock-and-black-powder-horn era 2nd, and replace it in this semi-automatic (and too easy to convert to full-auto) age, where there are no more Native Americans to thwart any western expansion. No embattled cabins or wagon trains. No slave uprisings or other caucasian nightmares...oh, wait, some caucasians still have trouble with anyone who doesn't look like them. Either ADAPT OR DIE OFF you snowflakes. Yes, snowflakes-- white and cold. Righties are the snowiest snowflakes of them all, they all fear somebody or something.

Register the firearm owners with a license, like a driver's license. Give a written test. Test them once on a range. Repeat in 10 years or sooner in case of health or situational issues.

Sick of living in goddamned Dodge.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 08:18 AM

20. IT'S A FUCKING TRAP! DON'T FALL FOR IT! Stevens is redirecting MSD cause to be a Third Rail!

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Changes need to be incremental. Guns will NOT go away in this country and culture.

What GOP Judge Stevens did was to take the moderate changes MSD is asking for into a sweeping narrative that the GOP will use to paint Democrats as anti-firearm. MSD has around 75% combined support for their causes. The Republicans will try to pull Democrats into a BINARY decision.

There are probably as many Democrats who own firearms as Republicans, although Republicans seem to be more of the types to hoard various weapons. Anyone who things that Democrats don't own firearms to the degree that Republicans do, are just dreaming. They just don't boast about it.

I'm sure I'll get a lot of people blasting me, but we have to keep it real.

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