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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 09:42 AM Mar 2018

How the Bernie Wing Won the Democratic Primaries

Forget about Conor Lamb and Dan Lipinski. The progressive wing has already beaten the establishment in 2018.

By CHARLIE MAHTESIAN March 29, 2018

With his primary election victory last week, Illinois Congressman Dan Lipinski—a Blue Dog and cultural conservative—won the first major 2018 battle between the Democratic Party’s establishment and progressive wings. But don’t be confused about what it means. The war is already over, and the establishment lost.

Even though only two states have actually voted so far this primary election season—Texas, a red-state redoubt, and Illinois, a blue-state stronghold—the battle for supremacy this primary season is all but complete. In state after state, the left is proving to be the animating force in Democratic primaries, producing a surge of candidates who are forcefully driving the party toward a more liberal orientation on nearly every issue.

These candidates are running on an agenda that moves the party beyond its recent comfort zone and toward single-payer health care, stricter gun control, a $15 minimum wage, more expansive LGBT rights and greater protections for immigrants.

In the surest sign of the reoriented issue landscape, they’re joined by some of the most prominent prospects in the 2020 Democratic presidential field—Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand and Kamala Harris among them—who are embracing the same agenda.

According to data compiled by the Brookings Institution’s Primaries Project, the number of self-identified, nonincumbent progressive candidates in Texas spiked compared with the previous two election years. This year, there were nearly four times as many progressive candidates as in 2016. Meanwhile, the number of moderate and establishment candidates remained flat for the past three elections in Texas.

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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/03/29/bernie-sanders-democrats-primaries-217719

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How the Bernie Wing Won the Democratic Primaries (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2018 OP
No surprise our potential 2020 candidates have moved left BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #1
That doesn't make sense. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #12
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #16
Yes. If they are in demand enough. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #17
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #18
Who are you talking about? NCTraveler Mar 2018 #19
Like I give two toots about that BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #22
Only one of us is going on about speeches. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #23
Fine, just do not hold your breath waiting for Cory Booker BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #24
How far back are we allowed to hold something against a candidate again? ehrnst Mar 2018 #48
Now an attack on Booker. Solid. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #82
Booker didn't "defend" Bain Capital, that was just the Think Progress headline. If one read... George II Mar 2018 #83
Why would anyone do that? Hillary had a Brilliant Cha Mar 2018 #89
After all that has unfolded do you still not get that the election was stolen? Cambridge Analytica.. brush Mar 2018 #29
No serious people see that as the only takeaway from 2016 BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #31
For the so-called Sanders wing to claim credit for recent Dem victories is just more divisiveness... brush Mar 2018 #32
Not only that... murielm99 Mar 2018 #56
Yes, you're right. We've seen that. brush Mar 2018 #60
"Serious people"? the ones living in Cha Mar 2018 #86
It speaks merely to interpretation of events. No more and no less. LanternWaste Mar 2018 #25
I wasn't aware that we had any candidates for 2020 yet. George II Mar 2018 #47
What 2020 candidates? ehrnst Mar 2018 #49
What does that even mean? Hillary had a great Cha Mar 2018 #85
thinking you are jumping to conclusions not warranted beachbum bob Mar 2018 #2
He didn't, she was too centrist for him. Blue_true Mar 2018 #74
Yes, And He Created The Earth In Just 6 Days Me. Mar 2018 #3
Ouch. Hoyt Mar 2018 #7
And he's so DREAMY! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #10
It REally Wasn't Einstein, Doncha Know Me. Mar 2018 #15
And he respects women. Just ask congresswoman Elizabeth Esty lunamagica Mar 2018 #34
Hey! She Was Blocking HIs Way Me. Mar 2018 #41
Among others. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #46
LOL, could have, in the eyes of his admirers. nt Blue_true Mar 2018 #75
And on the seventh day he.............. George II Mar 2018 #80
Created The Dem Party Me. Mar 2018 #81
In his image? nt sheshe2 Mar 2018 #88
Don't Tempt Me To Be Rude Sheshe Me. Mar 2018 #90
;) sheshe2 Mar 2018 #91
Bernie also invented sliced bread and universal healthcare. Adrahil Mar 2018 #4
Lots and lots of primaries yet to come. MineralMan Mar 2018 #5
Check out Our Revolution's record of endorsed candidates so far in 2018... George II Mar 2018 #50
Yes, I know. MineralMan Mar 2018 #61
Bernies crew is beyond desperate. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #6
Yup, add taking credit for other people's work to their list of "qualities." FSogol Mar 2018 #21
Agreed Gothmog Mar 2018 #35
I just want to see ALL Tax returns of ALL Candidates. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #52
Trumps base doesn't give a shit. They will vote blind. nt. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #55
trump won't be running in our primaries. George II Mar 2018 #62
+1 NCTraveler Mar 2018 #67
ALL candidates, not just him Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #69
Stop peddling common sense. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #72
We should support these "leftist" issues: left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #8
Fight Voter ID laws and voter suppression EffieBlack Mar 2018 #13
Ban tofu left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #20
I volunteer and work on voter protection issues Gothmog Mar 2018 #36
Who said there aren't? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #59
Most mainstream Democrats (and some republicans) support all of those. George II Mar 2018 #33
We have been for two decades, at least. nt Blue_true Mar 2018 #76
This article should start with: "Forget about the facts, I need clicks for this article" Renew Deal Mar 2018 #9
The author has done everything from write for the Weekly Standard... NCTraveler Mar 2018 #11
My thoughts as well. SharonClark Mar 2018 #27
So, when we nominate Kamala Harris in 2020 ... dawg Mar 2018 #14
Not sure, gladly not a single person here would disagree with Kamala being the candidate, though Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #54
Bernie and stricter gun control? LexVegas Mar 2018 #26
IKR? Voted against the Brady Bill and background checks FIVE times lunamagica Mar 2018 #40
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2018 #28
Do you support ballot access laws that will require candidates to release tax returns? Gothmog Mar 2018 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2018 #42
It appears that they have left the building. I wonder what their answer was. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #53
DURec leftstreet Mar 2018 #30
Here we go again. There IS no "Bernie wing" of the DEMOCRATIC Party. George II Mar 2018 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Mar 2018 #43
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2018 #44
For the record, Sanders' "Our Revolution" has endorsed seven candidates so far in 2018.... George II Mar 2018 #45
That's a very lackluster record. Someone should tell "Our Revolution" how awful they're doing... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #57
Since Bernie and Jane founded Our Revolution in 2016, they've endorsed a total of 226 candidates: George II Mar 2018 #58
If I recall correctly, Turner also said that "OR" would also endorse Republicans over Democrats... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #64
,,, lapucelle Mar 2018 #70
It's hard to decide who's worse: Nina Turner or Susan Sarandon. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #71
I wonder why the Cosmo editors didn't refer to her as Senator Turner. lapucelle Mar 2018 #73
Ha!! :-D Too funny! That seems to be the trend among certain individuals. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #78
Isn't Progressive Republican An Oxymoron? Me. Mar 2018 #93
Not good, statistically speaking. ehrnst Mar 2018 #68
Because he is not a Democrat! murielm99 Mar 2018 #100
But what does The Sane Progressive think?...nt SidDithers Mar 2018 #39
The ridiculous assumption of this article is that Hillary was not on the left. pnwmom Mar 2018 #51
But it didn't. MineralMan Mar 2018 #63
bullshit. There is no so-called Sanders wing of the party. Sanders doesn't own still_one Mar 2018 #65
Well Said Me. Mar 2018 #92
The open primary myth is one of many that are clung to. Garrett78 Mar 2018 #98
Politico published agitprop to benefit the GOP in 2016 and is doing it again. Hortensis Mar 2018 #66
Precisely, and thank you! VOX Mar 2018 #77
I agree. herding cats Mar 2018 #87
"The point is LWolf Mar 2018 #79
How the Napoleon wing won the battle of Waterloo . . . ucrdem Mar 2018 #84
LOL still_one Mar 2018 #94
Nothing like getting another bogus meme out there ucrdem Mar 2018 #95
yes, no point trying to convience them otherwise. They drank the koolaid still_one Mar 2018 #96
It's not either-or. Garrett78 Mar 2018 #99
but that wing is not liberal but alt-left radius777 Mar 2018 #97

BeyondGeography

(39,281 posts)
1. No surprise our potential 2020 candidates have moved left
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 09:46 AM
Mar 2018

When you lose by 74 EVs to Donald Trump, you lose.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. That doesn't make sense.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 10:46 AM
Mar 2018

That loss happened while promoting one of the most progressive platforms of a major party in history.

Response to NCTraveler (Reply #12)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
17. Yes. If they are in demand enough.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 11:10 AM
Mar 2018

I like how you moved to that after your first argument fell flat.

Response to NCTraveler (Reply #17)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. Who are you talking about?
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 11:13 AM
Mar 2018

Is this jealousy since Sanders only averages about six hundred dollars per paid speeches?

"It spoke to credibility/lack thereof"

I appreciate the transparency. You were one of the "speechers".

You are really desperate to fight the primaries.

BeyondGeography

(39,281 posts)
22. Like I give two toots about that
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 11:29 AM
Mar 2018

I voted for HRC because I thought Sanders was a disaster in the making in the GE. We had a disaster anyway.

Sanders is still a problem as a national candidate for a lot of reasons, but his 13 million voters are up for grabs and you won’t get a lot of them with Hillary 2.0 or 3.0 or whatever version it would be next time around.

The refusal of hard-core HRC supporters to acknowledge any substantial and positive impacts from Sanders 2016 is kind of pathetic really. From a style standpoint in particular, there remains a lot to learn from him. Smarter Dems will get it. Some already have.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
23. Only one of us is going on about speeches.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 11:32 AM
Mar 2018

My point was spot on with respect to your original comment. You tried to make a failed point about the ideological difference and have now moved to speeches. Up next, emails.

There is no basis in reality for your original post. It’s deceptive, at best.

Glad you got to bring up the speeches. It’s so important today.

This is exactly what these ratfucking articles are designed to do.

BeyondGeography

(39,281 posts)
24. Fine, just do not hold your breath waiting for Cory Booker
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 11:57 AM
Mar 2018

to defend Bain Capital again. Those days are over, if he wants the nomination that is. Wonder why?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
48. How far back are we allowed to hold something against a candidate again?
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 02:12 PM
Mar 2018

That keeps changing according to candidate, even when the candidate never admits they made a mistake.

And other times, with other candidates, especially when they admit that they made a mistake.

I get whiplash sometimes.

George II

(67,782 posts)
83. Booker didn't "defend" Bain Capital, that was just the Think Progress headline. If one read...
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 07:49 PM
Mar 2018

....the article one would see that he thought Obama shouldn't use Romney's career at Bain Capital as an issue.

Here's the article:

https://thinkprogress.org/newark-mayor-cory-booker-defends-bain-capital-attacks-obama-campaign-ddbfa660b397/

Cha

(295,903 posts)
89. Why would anyone do that? Hillary had a Brilliant
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 09:16 PM
Mar 2018

Democratic Platform.. she is an inspiration.

Not who you're tying to push.

brush

(53,470 posts)
29. After all that has unfolded do you still not get that the election was stolen? Cambridge Analytica..
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 01:13 PM
Mar 2018

Putin, Interstate Crosscheck, Facebook data, Assange, DNC emails stolen and leaked, Mercer money—the reality of the election result was way beyond who took any speaking fees, or Sanders' candidacy, or Clinton's.

We know better than any "Crooked Hillary" or "corporate whore" crap by now so why even regress back to arguments that have no validity in what we now know really happened—repug treason and cheating?

So for the so-called Sanders wing to claim credit for recent Dem victories is just more divisivess when the fact of the matter really is is that repugs don't have the massive Putin/Cambridge Analytica/Mercer money/vote supression factors they had in the 2016 election.

And voters can also see that trump and the repugs can create chaos but can't govern for shit.

brush

(53,470 posts)
32. For the so-called Sanders wing to claim credit for recent Dem victories is just more divisiveness...
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 01:24 PM
Mar 2018

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when the fact of the matter really is is that repugs don't have the massive Putin/Cambridge Analytica/Mercer money/vote supression factors they had in the 2016 election.

And voters can also see that trump and the repugs can create chaos but can't govern for shit.

murielm99

(30,656 posts)
56. Not only that...
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 02:40 PM
Mar 2018

Candidates Sanders backs have a poor showing. Most of them lose their elections.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
25. It speaks merely to interpretation of events. No more and no less.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 11:59 AM
Mar 2018

It speaks merely to interpretation of events. No more and no less.

Cha

(295,903 posts)
85. What does that even mean? Hillary had a great
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 08:52 PM
Mar 2018

Democratic Platform.. she made sure of it.

And, trump was rigged in by colluding with the Russians. CA was mind fucking potential brainwashes with hate against her.. this all had nothing to do with reality.

You really do need to study up on what's been reported around here since "rigged in" night.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
2. thinking you are jumping to conclusions not warranted
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 09:47 AM
Mar 2018

for instance did bernie support Londrigan in Il-13th primary? I sure don't remember hearing that....

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
74. He didn't, she was too centrist for him.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 05:22 PM
Mar 2018

Bernie's picking and chosing and his supporters claiming credit for things Bernie nor them had anything to do with is annoying.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
4. Bernie also invented sliced bread and universal healthcare.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 10:10 AM
Mar 2018

He might have invented gravity too, but I'll have to google that.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
5. Lots and lots of primaries yet to come.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 10:15 AM
Mar 2018

Once they're over, it will be possible to measure the impact of progressivism in them. Until then, not so much. Running in primaries is a good thing to do. Winning them is better, though. We'll get a look at the Democrats who will actually be on the ballots in November, but only after the primaries take place.

I'll wait and see what happens, I think.

George II

(67,782 posts)
50. Check out Our Revolution's record of endorsed candidates so far in 2018...
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 02:15 PM
Mar 2018

Certainly not consistent with Charlie Mahtesian's premise in the OP.

https://ourrevolution.com/results/

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. Bernies crew is beyond desperate.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 10:18 AM
Mar 2018

This is reaching an HA Goodman level of ignorance.

Great job highlighting yet another ratfucking hit piece.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
8. We should support these "leftist" issues:
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 10:32 AM
Mar 2018
"single-payer health care,
stricter gun control,
a $15 minimum wage,
more expansive LGBT rights,
and greater protections for immigrants"

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
36. I volunteer and work on voter protection issues
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 01:43 PM
Mar 2018

There are efforts being made to fight these voter suppression tactics.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
11. The author has done everything from write for the Weekly Standard...
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 10:45 AM
Mar 2018

Praise articles at redstate.com, and gushingly speak about Ryan and McConnell.


dawg

(10,610 posts)
14. So, when we nominate Kamala Harris in 2020 ...
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 10:50 AM
Mar 2018

it'll really be *Bernie* that we're nominating. (We just won't realize it!)

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
40. IKR? Voted against the Brady Bill and background checks FIVE times
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 01:51 PM
Mar 2018

Voted to give the gun industry immunity while voting to allow people to due McDonalds for causing obesity.

Voted for the Charleston loophole that resulted in the death of nine victims.

Voted to allow firearms on Amtrack trains.

Voted to allow guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.

Voted to reject funding to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for research on issues about firearms.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
37. Do you support ballot access laws that will require candidates to release tax returns?
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 01:49 PM
Mar 2018

A couple of blue states will be adopting these laws before the primary season start and no one can get on the ballot under these laws unless that candidate released tax returns. I think that these laws are valid but trump will challenge them.

Do you support such laws?

Response to Gothmog (Reply #37)

Response to George II (Reply #38)

Response to George II (Reply #38)

George II

(67,782 posts)
45. For the record, Sanders' "Our Revolution" has endorsed seven candidates so far in 2018....
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 02:02 PM
Mar 2018

Six of them have lost. Another finished a distant second in a primary in which the top two are in a run off in Texas.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
57. That's a very lackluster record. Someone should tell "Our Revolution" how awful they're doing...
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 02:40 PM
Mar 2018
Six of them have lost. Another finished a distant second in a primary in which the top two are in a run off in Texas.
That's a very lackluster record. Someone should tell "Our Revolution" how awful they're doing so they'll stop bragging about how "good" they're doing. That's embarrassing. I mean... seriously now... with a record like that, you'd think that SOMEONE would catch on and maybe re-think how they're going about doing things. What's their goal anyway?... to simply "make a statement" and to draw attention to themselves? To what end?

Are they actually interested in doing strategic things and making smart choices that have a longer term effect of driving change that leans toward liberal and progressive causes and philosophies?

If the question needs to be asked, then clearly... they're doing it wrong.

George II

(67,782 posts)
58. Since Bernie and Jane founded Our Revolution in 2016, they've endorsed a total of 226 candidates:
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 02:48 PM
Mar 2018

Their record is 104 wins, 122 losses, and their recent record is worse:

2017 44 wins, 69 losses
2018 1 win, 6 losse

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
64. If I recall correctly, Turner also said that "OR" would also endorse Republicans over Democrats...
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 02:59 PM
Mar 2018

If I recall correctly, Turner also said that "OR" would also endorse Republicans over Democrats ... so clearly their objective isn't to help Democrats and/or to help the Democratic party get/keep the majority.

I'll stand by something I've said many times... it seems to me that the only purpose of "Our Revolution" is simply to exist, to be disruptive and get attention (look at me! look at me!) and, of course, to accept donations that pay for the salaries of individuals such as Nina Turner.

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
70. ,,,
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 04:28 PM
Mar 2018
Cosmo: You've said before that Our Revolution is more interested in endorsing candidates based on beliefs, rather than endorsing along party lines. Does that mean Our Revolution could endorse a Republican?

Nina Turner: Our grassroots affiliate organizations nominate [candidates] up. I can give you real examples — they have nominated Green Party members and we have endorsed Green Party members. But, for the sake of argument, if there is a progressive Republican out there that seeks their endorsement [from] Our Revolution, and they go through the local affiliate, there is a strong possibility that they could be endorsed.

Cosmo:But it hasn't happened yet that you've endorsed a Republican?

Nina Turner:Not yet. But listen, any day now. It could happen.


https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a13107999/nina-turner-womens-convention/

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
51. The ridiculous assumption of this article is that Hillary was not on the left.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 02:28 PM
Mar 2018

They had no trouble agreeing on the Democratic platform because their views were so close.

still_one

(91,949 posts)
65. bullshit. There is no so-called Sanders wing of the party. Sanders doesn't own
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 03:00 PM
Mar 2018

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the progressive label. Progressive Democrats have always been a large part of the party, long before he decided to temporarily associate himself as a Democratic to fulfill his political ambitions, and then just as quickly disassociate himself from the Democratic party.

Not lost to anyone who has eyes, the Dan Lipinski win was because it was an open primary. In fact it a large number of those in the Sanders campaign screaming for open primaries, and it was the very reason why the progressive candidate LOST to Lipinski. That progressive candidate is a Democrat, but because it was an Open Primary, and because the republican candidate was a neo-Nazi, most of those republicans crossed over in that primary to vote for the conservative Democrat, and in fact caused the PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT to lose.

I find it also curious, but not surprising from Politico, whose publication is notorious for stirring division up, that the biggest upset which was the Doug Jones victory for the Alabama Senate is glossed over.

In fact all the local and state races where Democrats won is glossed over, and so the author of this piece attributes it to this nebulous "Sanders wing" of the party. Not the progressive wing of the Democratic party mind you, but they choose to characterize it with the tag of a person who doesn't wish to be identified with the Democratic party.

Typical coming from Politico


Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
98. The open primary myth is one of many that are clung to.
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 04:53 AM
Mar 2018

Clinton did better than Sanders in open primaries. Caucuses are the only reason the race seemed even remotely close, which is the only reason we are still seeing articles like the one in the OP. I'm a leftist who is often disappointed by mainstream Dems (and by Sanders) but denying reality is equally disappointing. And Sanders supporters have made denial an art form.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
66. Politico published agitprop to benefit the GOP in 2016 and is doing it again.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 03:05 PM
Mar 2018

We are in the middle of a giant battle for the future of our nation, and Politico is not neutral and never has been.

COUNTDOWN TO THE MIDTERMS: 221 days.



VOX

(22,976 posts)
77. Precisely, and thank you!
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 06:03 PM
Mar 2018

You’re absolutely correct about the battle for the future of the nation— I’ve been calling it a “war over who gets the naming-rights for reality,” since 45’s boosters are severely deluded. They say he’s doing “a bang-up job.” I say, “in WHAT universe?”

herding cats

(19,549 posts)
87. I agree.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 09:13 PM
Mar 2018

Either we wise up or we lose, again. We're already being played with what should be easy to spot propaganda and we seem to be buying it wholesale... again. It's frustrating.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
79. "The point is
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 06:04 PM
Mar 2018
“...we've watched this party over the last decade lose over 1,000 seats, lose a national election to least popular nominee in history, Donald Trump, and now we've seen poll after poll showing the Democratic Party less popular since election day,” Brand New Congress’ Corbin Trent said in an interview. “What we think is the American people are ready for a new direction.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/democrats-vs-trump/democrats-beware-sanders-movement-turns-midterms-n735301

The establishment party line so vociferously defended in responses to this post simply emphasize that point. The party can move forward with the energy of the left, or it can continue to erode into redundancy. Whatever the direction, the party will evolve. The left isn't going away. The party can embrace the left and move forward stronger, or...not.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
84. How the Napoleon wing won the battle of Waterloo . . .
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 08:43 PM
Mar 2018

How the Agamemnon Wing won the Trojan War . . .

How the Hirohito Wing won the battle of Iwo Jima . . .

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
95. Nothing like getting another bogus meme out there
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 01:25 AM
Mar 2018

A couple of days ago a relative in Oakland phoned and we eventually got around to politics. She's a big Bernie fan and casually mentioned that Bernie had won the California primary.



I changed the subject fast as we've been down that road before though not that particular byway and I've learned that facts don't matter to true believers

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
99. It's not either-or.
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 05:08 AM
Mar 2018

It's true that the Democratic Party has been getting its ass kicked (the GOP has the WH, the Senate, the House, a clear majority of governorships and a clear majority of state legislatures). And changes need to be made, including the need to make a much bigger stink about voter suppression and gerrymandering.

But that doesn't mean there's a "Bernie wing of the Democratic Party." Bernie and his supporters cling to several myths (about the 2016 primary being rigged, about open primaries, about the success of those endorsed by Our Revolution, etc.). The key constituency of the Democratic Party (persons of color) drove Clinton's victory over Sanders, Jones's victory over Moore, the Virginia success, etc.

radius777

(3,624 posts)
97. but that wing is not liberal but alt-left
Fri Mar 30, 2018, 04:19 AM
Mar 2018

who are socially libertarian/conservative and economically hard left, with a nostalgia for the FDR era's white proletariat conservative Dem party... basically they are a revival of the Old Left, whereas the modern liberal Dems are based more upon the social/racial/gender justice of the post-60s New Left.

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