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(31,109 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)The thot plickens.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Another looming question is whether Nikulin worked with the Internet Research Agency, a St. Petersburg-based troll farm tied to Russian intelligence ... sought to spread distrust among voters and in the election results, ...
The plot thickens, all right. But also interesting is Paul Ryan "calling for" the extradition during a visit to Prague. What might that signal, or not? Was this forced by circumstances, the way Trump's recall of diplomats was?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Probably a rogue and Russia didn't want to create a precedent
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)he was doing something OR because he's coming down on the side of the investigation into Russian meddling in the election with Republican politicians? THAT would be huge, but I don't believe it. Not yet.
Further unraveling of the GOP-Russia interactions can only reveal and highlight additional deeply unethical behaviors that will be tremendously damaging to the party; and of course there's a strong possibility that some of them will be illegal and be prosecuted. Ryan's smack in the middle, with enormous power blocs backing him and information resources available, and he had to know or at very least carefully maintain plausible deniability as most of it was going down.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)In addition to the specific Russian/Trump operation were hundreds of independent operatives who are blackmailing hospitals, companies, cities, etc. There really is no evidence yet that this has anything to do with the election scandal.
Russia could easily have been wanting to get there hands on him because he was running attacks on Russian firms as well.
The weakest part of the article is tying dates to two independent actions and then saying because they happened about the same time they are linked. Reminds me of a professor of mine who worked for the DIA as a Russian specialist and a major alert was sent up when over a dozen Russian generals all died within the same week. All of the Russian experts were assigned to stop what they were doing and a complex analysis was set up to find all of the links between the generals, what units they were in, what academies they went to, who was married to whose cousin. After two weeks a junior analyst found the common thread (unlike the US where it is up or out creating a pyramid Russia promoted almost everyone up so there were literally hundreds of generals), the average age of the generals was 86, they were dying of old age.
Not every story about a Russian hacker is going to be linked to the same narrative.
The fact that Ryan invested 5 minutes is more than enough evidence to show that this hacker was commercially motivated and not politically motivated as Ryan has done absolutely nothing to advance the investigation of the Russian involvement in the election, see for example Nunes.
brush
(53,771 posts)There's a reason for them wanting his testimony.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Russian money and Republican politics involving at least dozens of people in many separate and/or interlinked instances. That there is massive ethical breakdown and corruption has been established and corroborated by many investigative sources.
In some cases evidence has been gathered and statutes reviewed, and laws seem to have clearly been broken. In others, we learn about laws written to protect wrongdoers from prosecution. Mitch McConnell, for instance, is currently shown to be the largest beneficiary in congress of Russian money, in the area of $1m, but so far it's believed to be legal because it was donated to super PACS that serve him. The laws against foreign donations to campaigns don't apply.
Many details about who, how, what influence, and what we're gong to do about it, are still to come. We're in pre-trial stage. And appropriateness of terms like treason, sedition, conspiracy against the U.S. government, has not been established.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)a lot of legitimate cases have but that doesn't mean that every single one is.
Both Mitch and Ryan have been shown to be beneficiaries of Russian related funding.
So how logical is it that Ryan would push for the extradition of a hacker to the US. Not at all. That one fact alone is compelling, barring some other significant actual fact, to prove that this one hacker probably is not part of the government operations but an independent crook, of which there are hundreds attacking our businesses, hospitals and even municipal government demanding ransoms.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)everything being speculated about is legitimate, although there may be too much indulgence of facile "belief" by some.
But I agree that Ryan has to be in serious protective mode, raising that big question mark, and you could be right. Another possibility suggested is that this one extradition is in some way government related but small and distant in complex story, giving Ryan a chance to posture on the side of justice while not actually incurring significant additional risk for him personally.
It also likely became inevitable regardless of anything he did. Photos of Ryan bringing an extradited hacker to justice in the U.S. will be useful for obfuscating the picture for the electorate.
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)of some sort that leads to nowhere. Then PR can claim, "See, nothing here!"
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)onecaliberal
(32,831 posts)njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)I fear the safety of the hacker.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and one now would not be wise. Just look at the international outrage over Russian political attempted murders of Russian nationals in the UK. And that wasn't even to keep them from giving evidence.
The federal prosecutor in San Francisco has requested detention as an "extreme flight risk," that hearing on April 4, but he's in custody now. Next step is a medical evaluation before pre-trial interviews.
As far as I'm concerned, once he's at least been deposed, but preferably after his trial is complete, he's welcome to drop dead -- but not to be murdered in our federal penitentiary. But by then, why would they bother?
mitch96
(13,895 posts)Heart attack? food poisoning? Chinese space junk falling on his head???
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PaulX2
(2,032 posts)Beaten to death in his apartment's doorway.
Poisoned by toxin only found in Russia.
Oh, the list goes on for the people who oppose Putin's criminal regime.
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)Something like shooting himself twice in the back of the head and jumping off a high rise.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Hugin
(33,135 posts)Meltdown implies there was something better earlier.
A dumpster fire is always only a dumpster fire.
Status quo. More of the same.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Maybe someone in his foursome forgot the rules - that Spanky has to have the best score? Also, remember that Hope is gone. Hicks finally departed the WH.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)It's not necessarily of interest to the Mueller investigation --
Nikulin, 30, was arrested in a Prague restaurant on Oct. 5, 2016, and three days later, then-President Barack Obama made his first accusation of Russian meddling in the U.S. election. On Oct. 20, Nikulin was indicted on federal charges of hacking the private user databases of three U.S. internet giants LinkedIn, Dropbox and Formspring and mail accounts tied to Google. The indictment alleges Nikulin used several aliases, including Chinabig01 and itBlackHat.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Check the last paragraph also. He almost certainly has something to say that the Mueller investigation would find interesting, if only to help fill in the picture on what's already uncovered.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)given the facts.
Nevertheless, I'm very glad -- just not elated.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)Those numbers might not be 'astonishingly excellent.'
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)That is HUGE!
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)... thereby embarrassing Hillary, indirectly? I can't imagine that Ryan would be trying to help Mueller's investigation.
But you never know. Maybe he's starting to get worried about Midterm re-elections.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)he is in Trump's pocket. He is loyal to Trump for the tax cuts.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)After he visited the Czeck Republic, the hacker was extradited.
triron
(21,999 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The hacking is about businesses...it started back in 2012.
Ryan will NEVER do anything disloyal to Trump. He owes Trump, now. It was a tit for tat: We'll support you, or at least not harm you, in return for the big tax cut bill that will enable us all to make millions every year. After all, we're family. Trump said "It's a deal! We all win! Am I the best deal maker ever, or what?" That's how I see it, anyway.
triron
(21,999 posts)FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)Why would Ryan help Mueller's investigation? He has to realize this will circle back to the Trump-CA-Russia investigation.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He wasn't for Trump, but once Trump was in, it was a marriage. As Ryan said to his co-Republicans in a secret meeting where they laughed about Russia giving money to Trump, "We don't speak about this outside these doors. We're family."
He and Trump made a deal. They support him, and he works with them on Ryan's #1 wet dream: a HUGE tax cut bill for the wealthy, of which he and Trump are two. They made a deal.
Ryan will retire before he does something that harms Trump's Presidency. Ryan is also not involved whatsoever in the Mueller investigation. He's not on the intel committee, anyway. He is, however, a corporate shill, and this hacker hacked some big American businesses.
As Baretta would say, "And that's the name of that tune."
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,423 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Could have fooled me.
flying_wahini
(6,589 posts)N/t
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)The Czech Republic was looking for before extraditing this individual.
Both are things Trump opposes but they happened anyway. More shake-up coming?
Alternative Facts
(24 posts)Ryan is not helping Muller. He is trying to stick it to the FBI. Yevgeniy Nikulin says the FBI tried to bribe him with money and US citizenship if he confessed that Trump and Putin made him hack the DNC email. Ryan wants him back in the US to depose about the following.
http://usdefensewatch.com/2017/08/accused-russian-hacker-yevgeniy-nikulin-claims-the-fbi-offered-him-cash-an-apartment-an-u-s-citizenship-if-he-confessed-to-hacking-hillarys-emails-on-the-orders-of-donald-trump/
Nikulin tells of the FBI coming to visit him in prison and offering him cash, an apartment, and citizenship:
In a letter sent to the Present Time, Nikulin talks about the interrogations that took place on November 14-15, 2016 and February 7, 2017. Interviewed with the people he identifies as Agent and Miller. A Russian citizen claims that he was offered to take the blame for hacking the post of US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. All quotes from the letter are published with preservation of authors spelling.
In the future, I received a proposal from A [gent]: You will have to declare that you have broken Hillory Clintons mailbox for D. Trump on the orders of V. Putin, you must agree to extradition to the USA, here we will remove all the accusations we will give you Apartment and money, American citizenship - I refused, soon the interrogation was over, the Agent said that they would still come, Nikulin wrote.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I think you'll find the posters here aren't as stupid as Trumpers. We mainly rely on legitimate news, legitimate journalism and sources, cites to authoritative sites with a reputation for truthfulness.
The article you cite even says at top left "DTforPres." Kinda obvious, ya think?
Those really ARE "alternative facts," except of course they aren't facts at all.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)We aren't going to survive as a united nation if we don't.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's a "DT for Pres" site (upper left above the article). It's a rightwing hack site.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Trump is gone?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's one of those fake rightwing "alternative theories," like Hillary murdering people.
And Democrats are responding, "We have to consider all theories"???? Seriously?
If that's the way it is, all is lost.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Just thinking out loud.