Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:35 PM
TomSlick (10,616 posts)
Trump not a "target." Question for federal criminal attorneys.
I have a question, or maybe a theory, about the report that Mueller has told Trump's lawyers that he is not presently a "target."
Might that only mean that Mueller does not intend (at least for now) to seek an indictment? For instance, if Mueller has concluded a sitting President cannot (or ought not) be indicted but intends to report criminal activity in his report to Congress, would that explain this report? Extension on edit: The guests on Chris Hayes were just advancing my theory, so maybe I'm not too far out there.
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TomSlick | Apr 2018 | OP |
Xipe Totec | Apr 2018 | #1 | |
BigmanPigman | Apr 2018 | #2 | |
Xipe Totec | Apr 2018 | #7 | |
The Velveteen Ocelot | Apr 2018 | #3 | |
TomSlick | Apr 2018 | #5 | |
The Velveteen Ocelot | Apr 2018 | #6 | |
madaboutharry | Apr 2018 | #4 | |
Leghorn21 | Apr 2018 | #8 | |
fierywoman | Apr 2018 | #9 | |
TomSlick | Apr 2018 | #10 | |
bdamomma | Apr 2018 | #11 | |
TomSlick | Apr 2018 | #12 | |
bdamomma | Apr 2018 | #14 | |
GallopingGhost | Apr 2018 | #13 | |
TomSlick | Apr 2018 | #15 | |
HipChick | Apr 2018 | #16 | |
tblue37 | Apr 2018 | #17 | |
Cha | Apr 2018 | #18 | |
EffieBlack | Apr 2018 | #19 | |
TomSlick | Apr 2018 | #20 |
Response to TomSlick (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:38 PM
Xipe Totec (43,749 posts)
1. He's just a collection of concentric circles in an alternating red and white pattern. nt
Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #1)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:42 PM
BigmanPigman (50,164 posts)
2. Bulls eye!
Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #2)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:57 PM
Xipe Totec (43,749 posts)
7. If we hit that bullseye the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards
Checkmate
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Response to TomSlick (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:42 PM
The Velveteen Ocelot (111,586 posts)
3. It doesn't really mean that much because subjects can turn into targets.
According to the DOJ Handbook, a “subject” is “a person whose conduct is within the scope of a grand jury’s investigation.” A subject is somewhere between a target and a witness. A subject has engaged in conduct that may look suspicious or unethical, but the prosecutor isn’t certain that a provable crime has been committed and wants to do more investigating in order to be sure. The fact that someone is a subject and not a target means only that at this particular time they don't have enough evidence to call him a target (someone as to whom the prosecutor or Grand Jury has substantial evidence linking him to the commission of a crime). It does not mean they are off the hook. If more evidence is developed his status could change from subject to target. It would appear that notifying Trump that he is not a target at this time might be a way to persuade him to agree to an interview with Mueller.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #3)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:48 PM
TomSlick (10,616 posts)
5. I appreciate that a "no target" letter is not worth much but
Mueller strikes me as a really stand-up kinda guy. I don't think he would intentionally mislead.
I also suspect that Mueller would accept the current DoJ position that a sitting President cannot be indicted - only impeached. If Meuller doesn't intend to impeach but only report to Congress, then Trump is not a "target." It may be a tad over-lawyerly but that's my theory. |
Response to TomSlick (Reply #5)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:50 PM
The Velveteen Ocelot (111,586 posts)
6. I don't think he's misleading at all.
He probably doesn't have enough evidence to issue a target letter - but he might be hoping to get that evidence by interviewing Trump, who will lie his head off.
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Response to TomSlick (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:48 PM
madaboutharry (39,190 posts)
4. Chris Hayes just spoke with a former DOJ prosecutor
who is now a criminal defense attorney. He told Chris that that status can change an hour later and should be of no comfort to Trump or his lawyers.
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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #4)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:04 PM
Leghorn21 (13,350 posts)
8. *NO COMFORT FOR YOU, ASSHOLE* - thanks for posting, madabout!!
I have no clue wth is going on, but I like what yer sayin!!
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Response to TomSlick (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:12 PM
fierywoman (7,238 posts)
9. I can't wait for the "I'm not a target" gleeful tweet. n/t
Response to fierywoman (Reply #9)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:14 PM
TomSlick (10,616 posts)
10. Seems inevitable - if stupid.
Oh wait, that's inevitable too.
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Response to TomSlick (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:16 PM
bdamomma (62,400 posts)
11. Things may turn
he (don the con) could end up being a target, if they let their guard down. Could it happen??
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Response to bdamomma (Reply #11)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:20 PM
TomSlick (10,616 posts)
12. That much I'm clear on.
A "subject" can get a "not a target" letter today and become a target tomorrow.
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Response to TomSlick (Reply #12)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:27 PM
bdamomma (62,400 posts)
14. please
let it happen, may be they are setting him up for a fall.....I can only wish.
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Response to TomSlick (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:26 PM
GallopingGhost (2,404 posts)
13. Not an attorney,
but Mueller told this to 45's attorneys last month, apparently. Just because he wasn't a target at that time doesn't mean he isn't one now. Mueller told them Twitler wasn't "currently" a criminal target. Important word.
If Twitler is drawing a huge sigh of relief, he shouldn't be, although he'll be tweet-ranting shortly like the madman he is about how he's been completely exonerated. |
Response to GallopingGhost (Reply #13)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:30 PM
TomSlick (10,616 posts)
15. Agreed.
On all points.
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Response to TomSlick (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:42 PM
HipChick (25,475 posts)
16. Oh wait...did the Washington Post break this scoop?
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Response to TomSlick (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:44 PM
tblue37 (61,907 posts)
17. Emphasis added:
More:
He is collecting that evidence. He knows that when you go at the "king," you have to make sure to strike true, because you don't get a second chance. |
Response to TomSlick (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:44 PM
Cha (289,498 posts)
18. Public Enemy #1 has been Obstructing
Justice in Plain Sight.
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Response to TomSlick (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:59 PM
EffieBlack (14,249 posts)
19. Once he names him as a target, Mueller loses a little flexibility
Trump may gloat, but he's just whistling in the wind.
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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #19)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 10:01 PM
TomSlick (10,616 posts)