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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 01:50 PM Apr 2018

Saudi crown prince says Jared Kushner handed him U.S. intelligence

EXCLUSIVE: Saudi crown prince bragged that Jared Kushner gave him CIA intelligence about other Saudis saying 'here are your enemies' days before 'corruption crackdown' which led to torture and death

*Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman met with Jared Kushner in October

*Salman has since bragged about using classified intelligence from Kushner as part of a crackdown on 'corrupt' princes and businessmen in Saudi Arabia

*He said the intelligence from Kushner included information on those who were disloyal to Salman and who were his 'enemies', insiders tell DailyMail

*Kushner's attorney's spokesman said it was 'false' that the president's son-in-law passed on secrets and that he was 'well aware of the rules'

*The crown prince launched his crackdown on corruption in November, days after he met Kushner for talks in Riyadh

*Hundreds were rounded up, including princes from rival parts of the Saudi royal family and some of the country's wealthiest businessmen

*But the crackdown saw accusations of torture and at least one reported death


Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman bragged of receiving classified US intelligence from Jared Kushner and using it as part of a purge of 'corrupt' princes and businessmen, DailyMail.com can disclose.

The de facto ruler of the Middle East's largest economy is currently on a US tour which has seen him meet President Donald Trump in the White House, hold talks with a string of the country's richest and most influential people and book the entire Four Seasons in Beverly Hills for himself and his entourage.

Sources have told DailyMail.com that the prince – known by his initials MBS – has been boasting about his close relationship with the president's son-in-law and senior adviser, and the intelligence which he has told his circle Kushner passed to him.

The crackdown on 'corruption' in the Saudi kingdom was led by MBS and began in November, days after he had met Kushner for talks in Riyadh.

But it saw allegations of torture as hundreds were rounded up, including princes from rival parts of the Saudi royal family and some of the country's wealthiest businessmen.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5575395/Saudi-crown-prince-brags-Jared-Kushner-handed-U-S-intelligence.html#ixzz5BoznNyIH




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Saudi crown prince says Jared Kushner handed him U.S. intelligence (Original Post) MelissaB Apr 2018 OP
Remember the article about them staying up all night talking? ... snip MelissaB Apr 2018 #1
So What Does It Take To Get Jared Out Of WH And Into Prison? Me. Apr 2018 #2
Thank God no emails. rickford66 Apr 2018 #3
yeah, really, that would be really bad certainot Apr 2018 #64
Kushner shouldn't even have a security clearance. triron Apr 2018 #4
He Has Security Clearance? Me. Apr 2018 #5
it is denied NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #12
It was denied...after the fact. shanny Apr 2018 #15
That's what I understand. triron Apr 2018 #24
The higher level clearance SCVDem Apr 2018 #56
No wonder the GOP is trying to Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #6
Treason, extortion, lock him up!!! backtoblue Apr 2018 #7
Jared and T are v jealous: they want to arrest and torture all their enemies too!! bobbieinok Apr 2018 #8
Gangster mentality - all of them. n/t raven mad Apr 2018 #48
Could be but.... SonofDonald Apr 2018 #53
republican hustler-traitor Kushner is krapping on the world Achilleaze Apr 2018 #9
If Mueller arrests him now Trump will surely pardon him. If we can keep the Maraya1969 Apr 2018 #54
Wasn't Kushner schmoozing the Saudi princes for money to cover his debts? procon Apr 2018 #10
He went to the UAE and Sudis to get money for that BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #29
Sure seems like that. His 666 property is way underwater. He is desperate. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #30
AND he was the main point person on social media during the campaign calimary Apr 2018 #45
I hope the #1 rated Rachel Maddow Show picks up on this. nt oasis Apr 2018 #11
As soon as she multiple-sources it, aside from the Daily Mail Hekate Apr 2018 #25
What is everyone waiting for on this Traitor? BlueJac Apr 2018 #13
The DOJ would have to ok an investgation.....not going to happen. AJT Apr 2018 #14
Unless it just happens to arise in the course of Mueller's investigation.... shanny Apr 2018 #16
LOCK HIM UP! fleur-de-lisa Apr 2018 #17
If someone in the military, or the CIA did this CanonRay Apr 2018 #18
Some call it T R E A S O N. GeorgeGist Apr 2018 #19
As they ought. BSdetect Apr 2018 #22
The definition of treason in the Constitution is very narrow. Lionel Mandrake Apr 2018 #43
But the definition of espionage is clear. And it carries the death penalty. american_ideals Apr 2018 #58
Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed in 1954 Lionel Mandrake Apr 2018 #68
Right. Aldrich Ames and the Rosenbergs were traitors american_ideals Apr 2018 #71
A traitor is one who commits treason. Lionel Mandrake Apr 2018 #72
K and R BadgerMom Apr 2018 #20
If we were to follow the letter of the law Jared Kushner would be executed for treason. Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #21
I think it would be classified as espionage. nt tblue37 Apr 2018 #36
Espionage ? magicarpet Apr 2018 #46
This is why Jared no longer has a security clearance Gothmog Apr 2018 #23
Overwhelming KICK AND REC! nt Anon-C Apr 2018 #26
I Should Have Checked Before I Posted My Own Headline peggysue2 Apr 2018 #27
Mr. Ivanka Trump (Kushner) sold US intelligence for favors; he is so desperate for loans for his biz Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #28
Please don't bring sweet Ivanka into this - DJT's close confidante.... erronis Apr 2018 #33
What? Jar-jar's lawyer says he didn't pass on ANY intelligence. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #31
How much money did he receive for this? It will be a great day when he is indicted. Glimmer of Hope Apr 2018 #32
Kushner is almost certainly guilty of espionage. nt tblue37 Apr 2018 #34
A felony prosecution is in order for this. MineralMan Apr 2018 #35
i feel breathless barbtries Apr 2018 #37
They all have blood on their hands. eom LittleGirl Apr 2018 #38
Some truly fake news - " 'false' that the president's son-in-law passed on secrets " keithbvadu2 Apr 2018 #39
Hurry Up Mueller - we need to get this trash out of the White House iluvtennis Apr 2018 #40
Take him to jail. Oppaloopa Apr 2018 #41
Easy way to verify once our guys get power is to have all the files Jared accessed cstanleytech Apr 2018 #42
Kick and recommend for visibility bronxiteforever Apr 2018 #44
Kushner has creepy dead eyes.... Heartstrings Apr 2018 #47
Why is that piece of shit not in jail?? Thekaspervote Apr 2018 #49
LOCK HIM UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! workinclasszero Apr 2018 #50
666 MBS Anon-C Apr 2018 #51
Not that we needed more proof that Kushner is a treasonous weasel of a man. flying_wahini Apr 2018 #52
Hello? GOP? Knock, knock, anyone listening? lindysalsagal Apr 2018 #55
Fucker!!!!! hedda_foil Apr 2018 #57
Im afraid this crap is going to give me an ulcer lunatica Apr 2018 #59
The prince is more credible than Kushner uponit7771 Apr 2018 #60
Lol for sure...at least he's honest about being a rat-bastard weasel. Volaris Apr 2018 #67
It's ironic that though this is very important news, it was triron Apr 2018 #61
Giving The Saudi Crown Prince An Enemies List DallasNE Apr 2018 #62
If Hillary had done this, she would already be indicted. triron Apr 2018 #63
knr triron Apr 2018 #65
thoroughly disgusted, completely unsurprised K and r niyad Apr 2018 #66
And republicans yawn. mercuryblues Apr 2018 #69
K&R UTUSN Apr 2018 #70

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
1. Remember the article about them staying up all night talking? ... snip
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 01:54 PM
Apr 2018
'MBS was actually bragging about it in Saudi Arabia when it happened, that he and Jared sat up until 4am discussing things, and Jared brought him this list.'

The Riyadh source said: 'They sat for several hours together. They literally laid out the future map of the entire region, that's why they stayed up to the early hours of the morning from the afternoon before.'

... snip

The intelligence named several family members who were opposed to his rise, it was said.

'Kushner got hold of an intelligence briefing,' said the Riyadh palace source, recounting the version which originated with MBS. 'At that time he had a high level of security clearance and had access to that. He copied it and provided its contents to MBS.


Me.

(35,454 posts)
2. So What Does It Take To Get Jared Out Of WH And Into Prison?
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 01:55 PM
Apr 2018

and if I were him, I'd pay for big-time security cause some relative, somewhere, of the tortured/dead Saudis may well want to take revenge.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
56. The higher level clearance
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:31 PM
Apr 2018

was denied.

He may have a final secret though.

He is another traitor handing over our Intel without any authorizations. Kushner is an accessory to murder.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. No wonder the GOP is trying to
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 02:01 PM
Apr 2018

change the focus back to Hillary. And we have a Treasonous POS President's Son in Law using secret Intelligence for personal gains.


Where is the f--n outrage????

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
8. Jared and T are v jealous: they want to arrest and torture all their enemies too!!
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 02:05 PM
Apr 2018

Judge a person by the company he keeps!!

Putin, Phillipines' Duarte, China's leader (declared self leader for life), ete,etc.

'He who has ears to hear, let him hear'!!!

T gang shows their goal v clearly. And Evangelicals declare that T is god's annointed one!!??

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
53. Could be but....
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 07:05 PM
Apr 2018

I'm of the thought that it's the mentality (boy that's a misnomer) of persons that have never had to pay the consequences for their actions.

This is why the "prince" did it and then bragged about it, he's just like them on a grander scale and unless he "slips in the shower" someday he won't give it a second thought except for the bragging.

It's why little jared did it in the first place, he didn't think twice about what would happen, he just wanted to suck up on bended knee to get that loan.

Sociopaths all, but little jareds time is coming, now he's party to torture and murder.

Prison is not going to be kind to him, I have zero doubt he didn't think of the repercussions of what he did.

This won't be allowed to slide, this is HUGE.

Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
54. If Mueller arrests him now Trump will surely pardon him. If we can keep the
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:16 PM
Apr 2018

Blue Wave up through next Nov. by January impeachment proceedings can begin on Trump.

That's what I am hoping anyway

procon

(15,805 posts)
10. Wasn't Kushner schmoozing the Saudi princes for money to cover his debts?
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 02:11 PM
Apr 2018

The White House gig was just the means to and end for all the grifter Trumps, and Kushner is cut from the same cloth. Why wouldn't he trade secret info to butter up a wealthy prince in hopes of securing a huge loan? He had nothing to lose, he didn't care if he put lives at risk, especially not if they were arabs, and it didn't bother him that he jeopardized US national security efforts by divulging secret data.

BigmanPigman

(51,430 posts)
29. He went to the UAE and Sudis to get money for that
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 03:34 PM
Apr 2018

666 bldg in NYC. They laughed at him and said that they had him twisted around their fingers. Kushner is making forein policy based on whether or not he can get a loan. Qatar was screwed over by him too! He should not be allowed anywhere near DC.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/weeks-before-blockade-qatar-denied-money-to-kushners-firm.html
Qatar Refused to Invest in Kushner’s Firm. Weeks Later, Jared Backed a Blockade of Qatar.

"Inreality, the Saudis’ primary aim was to punish Doha for asserting its independence from Riyadh by, among other things, engaging with Iran and abetting Al Jazeera’s journalism. This was obvious to anyone familiar with the Saudis’ own affinity for (shamelessly) exporting jihadism — which is to say, anyone with a rudimentary understanding of Middle East politics.

And it was equally obvious that the United States had nothing to gain from a conflict between its Gulf allies. Qatar hosts one of America’s largest and most strategically important air bases in the Middle East. Any development that pushes Doha away from Riyadh pulls it toward Tehran. Thus, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson — and virtually every other arm of the U.S. government — scrambled to nip the blockade in the bud.

But Jared Kushner was (reportedly) an exception. Donald Trump was more than happy to endorse the idea that his speech had moved mountains, and commended the Saudis for punishing Qatar — first on Twitter, and then during a press conference in the Rose Garden. According to contemporary reports, his son-in-law was one of the only White House advisers to approve of this stance".

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
16. Unless it just happens to arise in the course of Mueller's investigation....
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 02:59 PM
Apr 2018

Mueller in all likelihood already has Kushner in his sights for his dealings with other foreigners (shopping for dirt on Clinton, and investors for his business); it shouldn't be too much of a stretch to get here too.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,073 posts)
43. The definition of treason in the Constitution is very narrow.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 04:26 PM
Apr 2018

Since the Saudis are not our enemies in time of war, the sharing of classified information with them is not treason. But it is a federal crime and deserves a long prison sentence.

american_ideals

(613 posts)
58. But the definition of espionage is clear. And it carries the death penalty.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 10:57 PM
Apr 2018

Violating the espionage act is a severe crime.

There's a word for those who violate the Espionage Act:

"Traitors".

Lionel Mandrake

(4,073 posts)
68. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed in 1954
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 06:26 PM
Apr 2018

under the espionage act. What's ironic is that the information suppplied to the Soviets by the Rosenbergs was superficial and of little value compared to what Klaus Fuchs gave them, and Fuchs only served a prison sentence of 9 years (in the UK).

I don't know of any other executions under the espionage act.

Call them traitors if you want, but that is technically incorrect.

american_ideals

(613 posts)
71. Right. Aldrich Ames and the Rosenbergs were traitors
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:34 PM
Apr 2018

Traitor means someone who spies against their own country, in this case against America.

Aldrich Ames
Rosenbergs
Robert Hanssen
Klaus Fuchs
Alger Hiss
Kim Philby

All were traitors, for the common definition of the word.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,073 posts)
72. A traitor is one who commits treason.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:34 PM
Apr 2018

That's true whether we are talking legalese or plain English. Treason as commonly understood and as understood by lawyers is not limited to espionage. Many people have been convicted of treason for other kinds of betrayal, e.g., armed rebellion against the government, murdering a liege lord, etc. The Brits used to distinguish high treason from petty treason, but that distinction has been abolished, and it never existed in the USA.

You might want to include Benedict Arnold in your list of traitors, and you might or might not want to take Alger Hiss off the list. Hiss was convicted of espionage, but the case against him was weak and is still being debated.

The following link shows among other things the variety of offenses that have been labeled treason in various places and at various times in history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_convicted_of_treason

BadgerMom

(2,766 posts)
20. K and R
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 03:11 PM
Apr 2018

I can't believe I'm kicking an article from the Daily Mail. These times do make for odd bedfellows.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
21. If we were to follow the letter of the law Jared Kushner would be executed for treason.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 03:11 PM
Apr 2018

Of course, he won't be, but he should be.

magicarpet

(13,935 posts)
46. Espionage ?
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 05:35 PM
Apr 2018

You folks just don't understand the high stakes of the various wheelings and dealings of international property development and the cloak and dagger of commercial real estate finance.

Jared is only bringing to the table the very best commodities in his executive toolbox available to him so he can close the most favorable deal for the people he truly represents. After all he is duty bound to strike the best deal he can possibly muster for the benefit of the stockholders. As an executive he is also duty bound to his fiduciary responsibilities to maximize bottom line profits for the owners.

Now if one of the commodities Jared brings to the table as a bargaining tool or chip happens to be top secret USA Intel information - so be it - he is fully authorized to act at his total behest on our behalf.

Oh.... Wait...

He has not been authorized to do anything of the sort.

Who ever permitted or allowed Jared to do this should have their head placed on a pike and paraded in front of the world to show we do not permit or condone this bullshit....

These Are High Crimes Against the State: Trading in top secret information explicitly for the purpose and intent of self enrichment.

Jared and his boss Mango Mussolini should be shot before high noon the next coming day.

When will the day arrive that this crime syndicate that occupies our White House and commandeered our government with goons, idiots, and buffoons - is brought to justice and pays for their crimes ?





peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
27. I Should Have Checked Before I Posted My Own Headline
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 03:28 PM
Apr 2018

Sorry about that. However, this story is so horrifying maybe it deserves a double note.

Of course the real question is: What will it take to bring a traitor weasel acting in in broad daylight down???

This whole crew needs to be outfitted for orange jumpsuits. And then, fumigate the entire White House. What a disgusting disgrace!!

erronis

(14,941 posts)
33. Please don't bring sweet Ivanka into this - DJT's close confidante....
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 03:45 PM
Apr 2018

I wonder if the presumptuous presumed pres and his s-i-l need to schedule "familial rights". Or in the old days "Droit du seigneur".

BobTheSubgenius

(11,535 posts)
31. What? Jar-jar's lawyer says he didn't pass on ANY intelligence.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 03:37 PM
Apr 2018

That's not good enough?

And....no jokes about the entire staff having too little intelligence in the aggregate to pass on even a scintilla. You're better than that.

barbtries

(28,702 posts)
37. i feel breathless
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 03:49 PM
Apr 2018

if this is true it must be treason and is an act that literally led to the torture deaths of people.

can it be verified?!

keithbvadu2

(36,360 posts)
39. Some truly fake news - " 'false' that the president's son-in-law passed on secrets "
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 04:04 PM
Apr 2018

Some truly fake news - " 'false' that the president's son-in-law passed on secrets "

*Kushner's attorney's spokesman said it was 'false' that the president's son-in-law passed on secrets and that he was 'well aware of the rules'

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
42. Easy way to verify once our guys get power is to have all the files Jared accessed
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 04:25 PM
Apr 2018

compared to who was arrested and if the list substantially matches then Jared should be arrested.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
44. Kick and recommend for visibility
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 04:33 PM
Apr 2018

Holy crap, there needs to be a special prosecutor appointed just for Jared.

flying_wahini

(6,513 posts)
52. Not that we needed more proof that Kushner is a treasonous weasel of a man.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 06:31 PM
Apr 2018

HE has been like a kid in a candy store ;
can't get enough $$$ to keep his sorry ass out of Prison
He's probably gonna get picked off in a parking lot
by some VIP KGB. He'll probably make the front page.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
59. Im afraid this crap is going to give me an ulcer
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 11:04 PM
Apr 2018

I wish I could just ignore it, but I’m afraid to. If I don’t resist then I become part of the problem!

Doing nothing is not a neutral move. Everyone is just as accountable for doing nothing than if they had actively done the evil deed.

Volaris

(10,260 posts)
67. Lol for sure...at least he's honest about being a rat-bastard weasel.
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 01:41 PM
Apr 2018

Yeah, we rounded up disloyalists. Who was disloyal came from your white house. Do Something. Dare ya.

triron

(21,914 posts)
61. It's ironic that though this is very important news, it was
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 12:23 AM
Apr 2018

swamped tonite by a plethora of breaking news events.

DallasNE

(7,392 posts)
62. Giving The Saudi Crown Prince An Enemies List
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 12:50 AM
Apr 2018

Is like giving Putin an enemies list. Same predictable outcome.

Another reason why Kushner cannot be given security. Indeed, if this can be proven it should be grounds for criminal misuse of classified materials.

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