HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Take that down!: Watch Fo...

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:46 PM

Take that down!: Watch Fox host panic after graphic shows Fox News is least trusted network

‘Take that down!’: Watch Fox host Howard Kurtz panic after graphic shows Fox News is least trusted network

In what was undoubtedly a painful moment on Fox News this morning, media analyst Howard Kurtz frantically implored his producer to take down a graphic that showed Fox is the least trusted of the big three cable networks.

Speaking with pollster Frank Luntz about Donald Trump’s Twitter habits, with Luntz calling the president’s use of “fake news” detrimental to his cause, Kurtz brought up a recent poll from Monmouth University on news trustworthiness.

That is when things took a hilarious turn.

“Speaking of fake news, there is a new poll out from Monmouth University.’Do the media report fake news regularly or occasionally?’ 77 percent say yes,” Kurtz exclaimed before noticing the graphic instead showed “Who do you trust more?” with CNN at 48 percent, MSNBC at 45 percent and Fox News bring up the rear at 30 percent.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/take-watch-fox-host-howard-kurtz-panic-graphic-shows-fox-news-least-trusted-network/

46 replies, 12249 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 46 replies Author Time Post
Reply Take that down!: Watch Fox host panic after graphic shows Fox News is least trusted network (Original post)
Tactical Peek Apr 2018 OP
Arkansas Granny Apr 2018 #1
Beartracks Apr 2018 #2
Fullduplexxx Apr 2018 #3
Initech Apr 2018 #4
Chickensoup Apr 2018 #5
oberliner Apr 2018 #6
sharedvalues Apr 2018 #21
oberliner Apr 2018 #22
Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #24
jberryhill Apr 2018 #26
Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #27
Doitnow Apr 2018 #7
KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #20
ChazInAz Apr 2018 #8
Marie Marie Apr 2018 #9
Fred Sanders Apr 2018 #11
EricMaundry Apr 2018 #10
Kurt V. Apr 2018 #12
SCVDem Apr 2018 #13
Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #14
BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #15
BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #16
Captain Stern Apr 2018 #17
Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #23
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #28
thesquanderer Apr 2018 #34
oberliner Apr 2018 #39
knightmaar Apr 2018 #32
thesquanderer Apr 2018 #35
yonder Apr 2018 #18
knightmaar Apr 2018 #33
MariaCSR Apr 2018 #19
Puzzler Apr 2018 #25
tavernier Apr 2018 #29
oberliner Apr 2018 #30
tavernier Apr 2018 #31
oberliner Apr 2018 #36
thesquanderer Apr 2018 #37
oberliner Apr 2018 #44
ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #38
UpInArms Apr 2018 #40
Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #41
UpInArms Apr 2018 #42
oberliner Apr 2018 #45
Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #46
coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #43

Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:01 PM

1. Oh, that's great. Thanks for posting.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:12 PM

2. Couldn't have happened to a nicer network. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:21 PM

3. Omg these headlines

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:22 PM

4. Go eat a steaming bag of rancid dog shit, Fox!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:33 PM

5. Truth is marching on.

Fox is the least trusted,the most one sided
Cable network.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:51 PM

6. That's not what the graphic showed

 

It is a poll asking: Who do you trust more, Network X or Donald Trump?

For Fox, the most common answer was "Trust Both Equally".

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oberliner (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:34 PM

21. Are you defending Fox and its propaganda, Oberliner?

You’re distorting the statistics they show.

While your statement is literally correct it is for practical purposes false. Yes, that’s what the poll showed.

But the OP is right. Since the total of each row also declined, with Fox’s row lowest, the OPs statement is correct.

Fox is the least trusted network. Correct. Supported by this poll.

Also. It's a monmouth poll: https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_040218/


Check this data on Fox:

Donald Trump and Fox News
March2018 March2017
Trust Trump more 20% 17%
Trust Fox News more 30% 37%
Trust both equally 37% 36%
(VOL) Don’t know 13% 10%
(n) (803) (801)

So Fox trust went down seven points. Now at 30%. And "equally" went up by 1. So at least a 6% shift.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sharedvalues (Reply #21)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:46 PM

22. Huh?

 

The graphic is in response to the question: "Do you trust "MSNBC/CNN/Fox" more or Trump more?"

In the case of MSNBC and CNN - people trust the network more than Trump.

In the case of Fox - people trust Fox and Trump about the same amount

The question didn't ask: "Which of these networks do you trust the most?"

Edit to add link to the poll:

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_040218.pdf/

Graphic comes from Question 38.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sharedvalues (Reply #21)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:33 PM

24. Look carefully at the data & the question asked.

There is no way to draw any comparison between the networks based on the question.

The question asks which do you trust more: Trump v. Network (not Network A v. Network B).

I would answer that I trust Fox news and Trump equally - i.e. not at all. A trump supporter would likely answer the exact same way, but for a very different reason: 100% trust in both.

All the responses can do is compare Trump v. Network. It cannot compare network v. network for the reason I suggested: Both people in touch with reality and those who live in Trump-World will answer the exact same way as to the Fox v. Trump question.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:58 PM

26. And the question of trust them to do what?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jberryhill (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:11 AM

27. "as a source of information."

Hence, I trust Trump and Fox as a source of information about as far as I could throw either one - equally at 0%.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:01 PM

7. So much for their "Fair and Balanced" slogan. I'd never heard of Bill O'Reilly and the first time

I heard him speak, I couldn't listen for more than 5 minutes before realizing his mouth spouted hogwash. Never tuned him in again. Beware when anyone has to advertise what great thing they are.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Doitnow (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:24 PM

20. Same here for Limbaugh.

Only took a few minutes to tell he is a right-wing scum bag and liar. Made reading Al Franken's book even more rewarding!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:06 PM

8. Thirty percent.

Nicely matches the bottom side of the bell curve inhabited by trumpsters.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:08 PM

9. Ooops! Fox finally let in a little truth.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Marie Marie (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:19 PM

11. What Kurtz wanted was the graphic on a nonsensical poll question...and got the good question.

'What does "occasionally" mean? 🛠

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:16 PM

10. Very Good

 

Always a cause for panic at Faux News when the truth actually leaks through.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:29 PM

12. that was great.

frank luntz is a real dick but he does know what the people think

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:30 PM

13. For shit's sake,

 

Fox = Fox News

MSNBC - The Place For Politics

There is truth in advertising. MSNBC does not do news, they focus on politics, There is no bias when you tell the truth.

Now that would be a new concept at Fox, sorry Shep.

America is better informed on Fox bullshit since tRump call attention to it on a daily basis. We can see the manipulation where normally nobody would pay attention.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:42 PM

14. LOL! I'm guessing someone who handles the visuals just got fired! nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:49 PM

15. I needed a laugh like that.

Thank you!!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:53 PM

16. Here is the graphic





Edit to ad that after watching the segment, I am surprised at Frank Luntz sounding the alarm about November.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:53 PM

17. This OP could just as well have been written by FOX news.

It does the same thing they do every day. Misrepresents.

I watched the video.

The host didn't 'panic' the first time the graphic got thrown up there. He acknowledged that it was the wrong graphic, and then said 'please take that down'. Then, later in the video, they actually do put that graphic up intentionally (they wouldn't have made the damn thing, if they didn't intend to use it).

FOX news is shit, but we shouldn't have to make stuff up about them to prove it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Captain Stern (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:18 PM

23. That was my take, as well. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Captain Stern (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:14 AM

28. Raw Story's headlines are often sensational and overblown.

Getting the better of someone in an argument is often described as "destroying" them, for example, when nobody was "destroyed" in the least. They are just clickbait - it's best to refer to the original source.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #28)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 08:47 AM

34. The worst at that are Jason Easley's pieces at politicususa.com (n/t)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #28)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 09:23 AM

39. Raw Story is such garbage

 

I wish people would stop posting them here.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Captain Stern (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 08:47 AM

32. Agreed. All he said was "This is wrong graphic".

Woopty-frakking-doo.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Captain Stern (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 08:52 AM

35. Yup, misleading article. (n/t)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:00 PM

18. That was great. It sounded like a pretty smooth "take that down please", but

I bet he woke up with a broken tongue, or at least bruised and bloodied. I would have loved to see his face.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to yonder (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 08:47 AM

33. He brought the same graphic up later, so obviously he didn't think it was a big deal.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:00 PM

19. k and r

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:48 PM

25. Well that cheered me up



-Puzzler

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 07:18 AM

29. That graphic makes no sense to me.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tavernier (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 08:08 AM

30. Because this OP mis-represents what the graphic is saying

 

As I and other posters have noted, the question asked:

Whom do you trust more MSNBC or Trump? CNN or Trump? Fox or Trump?

They are each being compared to Trump in terms of reliability - not to each other.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oberliner (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 08:23 AM

31. That doesnt work either.

The numbers are cockeyed either way you look at it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tavernier (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 09:20 AM

36. Well the graphic leaves out "trust both equally"

 

Here's a link to the actual survey question and results:

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_040218.pdf/

This is the question:

38. I’m going to read you some names of information sources. For each pair of names I read,
please tell me which one you trust more as a source of information, or whether you trust both
sources about equally

Donald Trump and CNN
March
2018
Trust Trump more 35%
Trust CNN more 48%
Trust both equally 13%
(VOL) Don’t know 5%

Donald Trump and Fox News
TREND: March
2018
March
2017
Trust Trump more 20% 17%
Trust Fox News more 30% 37%
Trust both equally 37% 36%
(VOL) Don’t know 13% 10%
(n) (803)

Donald Trump and MSNBC
TREND: March
2018
March
2017
Trust Trump more 32% 33%
Trust MSNBC more 45% 47%
Trust both equally 16% 15%
(VOL) Don’t know 6% 5%

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oberliner (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 09:22 AM

37. I agree with you, but the graphic is still odd.

They use a red box to highlight the three network numbers, which as you correctly indicate, should not be directly compared to each other. I didn't see the later portion of the broadcast where they apparently did intentionally use that graphic... I wonder how that red box related to that piece.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to thesquanderer (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:39 PM

44. Yes, agreed

 

I don't understand the red box either.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 09:22 AM

38. Why Would Howie Kurtz Even Care?

He's a media guy. I know it's for Faux, but why would he care about what graphic goes up?

And, this is kind of a stupid question. It seems there is no value to even knowing the answer to a question that is comparing apples to oranges and then displaying it as if we're comparing cars?

It's totally mixed up and nonsensical.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 09:30 AM

40. Am confused

How can a poll have 45%, 48% and 30%?

The number then add to more than 100%

🤦🏽‍♀️

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to UpInArms (Reply #40)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 10:35 AM

41. That is because people are misrepresenting what it shows.

Each bar comes from a separate question:. Do trust Trump or the network more. The question did not compare network to network.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #41)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 10:42 AM

42. Thank you for clarifying

n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #41)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:40 PM

45. When I initially pointed that out, I was accused of "defending Fox propaganda"

 

Oh well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oberliner (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 03:46 PM

46. I saw that. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tactical Peek (Original post)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 10:45 AM

43. I love it

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread