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Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:37 PM

Explain why Tim Kaine and Martin O'Malley are not getting much 2020 consideration.

I have not heard much enthusiasm for these guys. Admittedly I didn't pay much attention to them in 2016 but I found them to be good spokespeople for the Dems after the election. What do I need to know about them? I've seen a lot of Tim Kaine on PBS the last few days, is he positioning?

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Reply Explain why Tim Kaine and Martin O'Malley are not getting much 2020 consideration. (Original post)
ginny skinny Apr 2018 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #1
Merlot Apr 2018 #8
wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #2
mucifer Apr 2018 #3
DesertRat Apr 2018 #4
ginny skinny Apr 2018 #5
ginny skinny Apr 2018 #6
JI7 Apr 2018 #7
Vinca Apr 2018 #9
ginny skinny Apr 2018 #10
Vinca Apr 2018 #11
a kennedy Apr 2018 #19
Hekate Apr 2018 #12
ginny skinny Apr 2018 #15
Hekate Apr 2018 #17
ginny skinny Apr 2018 #20
ginny skinny Apr 2018 #21
NCTraveler Apr 2018 #13
DavidDvorkin Apr 2018 #14
Hortensis Apr 2018 #16
tritsofme Apr 2018 #18
StevieM Apr 2018 #22

Response to ginny skinny (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:38 PM

1. Kaine was kind of a dud as a VP candidate.

I'd like to see more of O'Malley; he couldn't seem to get much press.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:50 PM

8. Agreed, I'm also looking forward to hearing more of O'Malley

Kaine was a bad pic for VP, not his fault, his performance was mediocre.

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Response to ginny skinny (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:40 PM

2. Neither one seems strong enough to win the Presidency to me.

 

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Response to ginny skinny (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:41 PM

3. Because it's 2018 now

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Response to ginny skinny (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:43 PM

4. Because we're concentrating on the 2018 elections.

The 2020 election is a long ways off. A LOT can happen over the next 2 1/2 years.

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Response to ginny skinny (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:49 PM

7. Kaine already said he isn't going to run. Omalley is a great guy but didn't

 

catch on the last time he ran.

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Response to ginny skinny (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:53 PM

9. Yawn. Both are as exciting as reheated tuna casserole.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:57 PM

10. Who excites you?

?

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Response to ginny skinny (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:58 PM

11. Honestly? No one at this point. Let's discuss after the 2018 elections.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:39 PM

19. Ha ha, i even hate to laugh at that, but its true.

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Response to ginny skinny (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:03 PM

12. Because this year we have midterm elections, not presidential primaries, and neither of them ...

...has declared a candidacy for the 2020 presidential elections.

This is 2018. Every single Representative has to run, and a third (I think) of the Senate. What are you doing about that?

Eyes on the prize, ginny skinny. GOTV.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:17 PM

15. I live in Indiana, among the reddest of the red, at least in my corner.

If I knocked on doors pushing Dem candidates I could expect to be burned at the stake.

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Response to ginny skinny (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:27 PM

17. There is much else to do besides that, you'll see. It's just that we try to focus on what's in front

...of us. It's much too easy to get caught up in fantasy teams -- even tho everybody speculates from time to time, most of us try to keep it light. There's quite a slew of Californians, for instance, who are up and comers: I have my eye on both Rep. Adam Schiff and Sen. Kamala Harris.

Welcome to DU!

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Response to Hekate (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:08 PM

20. Kamala Harris on the issues.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:09 PM

21. Adam Schiff, on the issues.

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Response to ginny skinny (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:06 PM

13. I like both. A lot.

 

I don’t think Kaine will be in. I always appreciate seeing O’Malley speaking to a national audience. He wasn’t polished as a speaker but he represents us very well.

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Response to ginny skinny (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:10 PM

14. O'Malley is campaigning for Dems

in special elections and the upcoming midterms. I think he's building connections, goodwill, and commitments in preparation for a run in 2020. I also suspect he's learned a lot from his failure in 2016 and from what he's doing now.

He might still not be exciting enough for those who think that's what counts. But I think he'll be a solid candidate in the primaries.

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Response to ginny skinny (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:25 PM

16. Frankly, they have to buy flags to wave at us to

get our attention, so many big, bright flags that the media can monetize coverage and no one can miss them. And it's too early for that. Wouldn't want us to get bored with them and their flags when the time comes and additional people start campaigning.

There's nothing stopping those who like them from googling to keep up on what they're saying and doing without their having to pay experts to yoohoo at us. After all, we're free to take charge of our political beings instead of waiting to be lead around by our noses and told what to think by campaign managers and talking heads.



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Response to ginny skinny (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:30 PM

18. O'Malley was yesterday's news two years ago when he ran for president.

And is still out of government, his stature isn't exactly increasing.

Kaine, despite being on the 2016 ticket (or maybe because of it?), has never had a strong independent base of support. He would be a credible 2020 candidate, but certainly not a favorite or even necessarily a top tier candidate based on who else runs.

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Response to ginny skinny (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:18 PM

22. Kaine has explicitly said that he is not running. O'Malley didn't get very far last time. (eom)

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