Explain why Tim Kaine and Martin O'Malley are not getting much 2020 consideration.

[ginny skinny]

I have not heard much enthusiasm for these guys. Admittedly I didn't pay much attention to them in 2016 but I found them to be good spokespeople for the Dems after the election. What do I need to know about them? I've seen a lot of Tim Kaine on PBS the last few days, is he positioning?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Kaine was kind of a dud as a VP candidate.

I'd like to see more of O'Malley; he couldn't seem to get much press.

[Merlot]

8. Agreed, I'm also looking forward to hearing more of O'Malley

Kaine was a bad pic for VP, not his fault, his performance was mediocre.

[wasupaloopa]

2. Neither one seems strong enough to win the Presidency to me.

[mucifer]

3. Because it's 2018 now

[DesertRat]

4. Because we're concentrating on the 2018 elections.

The 2020 election is a long ways off. A LOT can happen over the next 2 1/2 years.

[ginny skinny]

5. On The Issues, Martin O'Malley

http://www.ontheissues.org/Martin_O%60Malley.htm

[ginny skinny]

6. On The Issues, Tim Kaine

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Tim_Kaine.htm

[JI7]

7. Kaine already said he isn't going to run. Omalley is a great guy but didn't

catch on the last time he ran.

[Vinca]

9. Yawn. Both are as exciting as reheated tuna casserole.

[ginny skinny]

10. Who excites you?

?

[Vinca]

11. Honestly? No one at this point. Let's discuss after the 2018 elections.

[a kennedy]

19. Ha ha, i even hate to laugh at that, but its true.

[Hekate]

12. Because this year we have midterm elections, not presidential primaries, and neither of them ...

...has declared a candidacy for the 2020 presidential elections.

This is 2018. Every single Representative has to run, and a third (I think) of the Senate. What are you doing about that?

Eyes on the prize, ginny skinny. GOTV.

[ginny skinny]

15. I live in Indiana, among the reddest of the red, at least in my corner.

If I knocked on doors pushing Dem candidates I could expect to be burned at the stake.

[Hekate]

17. There is much else to do besides that, you'll see. It's just that we try to focus on what's in front

...of us. It's much too easy to get caught up in fantasy teams -- even tho everybody speculates from time to time, most of us try to keep it light. There's quite a slew of Californians, for instance, who are up and comers: I have my eye on both Rep. Adam Schiff and Sen. Kamala Harris.

Welcome to DU!

[ginny skinny]

20. Kamala Harris on the issues.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Kamala_Harris.htm

[ginny skinny]

21. Adam Schiff, on the issues.

http://www.ontheissues.org/CA/Adam_Schiff.htm

[NCTraveler]

13. I like both. A lot.

I don’t think Kaine will be in. I always appreciate seeing O’Malley speaking to a national audience. He wasn’t polished as a speaker but he represents us very well.

[DavidDvorkin]

14. O'Malley is campaigning for Dems

in special elections and the upcoming midterms. I think he's building connections, goodwill, and commitments in preparation for a run in 2020. I also suspect he's learned a lot from his failure in 2016 and from what he's doing now.

He might still not be exciting enough for those who think that's what counts. But I think he'll be a solid candidate in the primaries.

[Hortensis]

16. Frankly, they have to buy flags to wave at us to

get our attention, so many big, bright flags that the media can monetize coverage and no one can miss them. And it's too early for that. Wouldn't want us to get bored with them and their flags when the time comes and additional people start campaigning.

There's nothing stopping those who like them from googling to keep up on what they're saying and doing without their having to pay experts to yoohoo at us. After all, we're free to take charge of our political beings instead of waiting to be lead around by our noses and told what to think by campaign managers and talking heads.

[tritsofme]

18. O'Malley was yesterday's news two years ago when he ran for president.

And is still out of government, his stature isn't exactly increasing.

Kaine, despite being on the 2016 ticket (or maybe because of it?), has never had a strong independent base of support. He would be a credible 2020 candidate, but certainly not a favorite or even necessarily a top tier candidate based on who else runs.

[StevieM]

22. Kaine has explicitly said that he is not running. O'Malley didn't get very far last time. (eom)