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[OhNo-Really]

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[Midnight Writer]

1. This study is MEDICAL cannabis. I wonder about recreational States.

[OhNo-Really]

2. Good news on this front as well. I added research for you

[C Moon]

3. Healthier livers for future generations.

[OhNo-Really]

4. Yes! Also alcohol is very risky for our growing diabetus population.

[msongs]

5. it will also kill massive police/LEO/private prison profits nt

[thbobby]

6. High Times and Rolling Stone

reported same idea of booze industry being responsible for pot being illegal in the 1970's. Another poster talked about diabetic problems caused by alcohol. Main reason I quit smoking pot is because I am diabetic. Munchies might be a problem. But still, if either pot or alcohol has to be illegal, it should be alcohol. Drinking promotes reckless behavior, while with me pot promoted watching the three stooges (I actually still love them).

[NBachers]

7. I was feeling like a bit of an anachronism today because I'm still a Stooge fan. Once a Stooge,

always a Stooge.

[thbobby]

8. I like Curly best

seems to always be relevant with stooge junkies. Shemp was good too. Liked early stooges the best.

[progressoid]

9. Greed exists with weed too.

https://merryjane.com/news/bigmike-advanced-nutrients-next-marijuana-millionaire-reality-show-competition

https://www.stockgumshoe.com/reviews/crisis-investing/what-are-the-marijuana-millionaire-summit-stock-ideas-from-casey/

etc.

Soon the weed lobby will be as big as the alcohol lobby.

[OhNo-Really]

16. Weepy Booze hound John Boehner is bucking booze to lobby for pot

Maybe he switched vices.

[Abu Pepe]

33. Reckon Boner smokes weed? nt

[get the red out]

10. Agree

Alcohol is really hard on the body when over-used, and we all know the results of the abuse of opioids and other prescription drugs. Alcohol abuse also contributes to domestic violence.

[mr_lebowski]

11. I'm a HUGE legalization fan but lets not get carried away about it's replacement value ...

Opioids ... okay, yes ... but not for truly severe pain (trust me, it doesn't touch it, not like opioids), and for someone already dependent on heavy opioids it's a long road to get off of them, with or w/o pot. And for many, the only road 'off' ... is total sobriety.

Alcohol ... for sure. A FAR safer substitute for a drug w/zero medicinal value. But it's not 1:1 replacement. The effects are different. Again, someone who's a heavy drinker is gonna have a hard time putting down the bottle and switching to pot ... people who AVOID becoming heavy drinkers in the first place cause they use pot instead ... that's a different story, and IMHO it should be encouraged over booze, if someone needs a recreational drug. FAR FAR safer in every way. However, again, the only 'way off' the booze, for many ... total sobriety.

Adderall? That's amphetamine-based ADHD medicine. You'll have a real hard time convincing me weed effectively treats attention deficit disorder ... lol ... just, no.

Xanax? Medication for panic attacks? Ummmmm ... given that aside from munchies and attention-deficit problems, probably the MOST common side-effect of the ganja ... is panic. Give me a break on this one. Not true.

THC is great, miraculous even ... I'm a fan of legalizing, and agree with MOST of what you just said ... but it's NOT a legit substitute for EVERYthing you named. Sorry. Alcohol it's probably best the substitute for, hence the results of the studies ... people don't have endless dough, so have to choose between the two for their recreational experience, and with legal pot, it makes a LOT more sense to invest in that instead of booze on so many levels. And I applaud those making that choice.

[Mariana]

23. I don't think anyone, anywhere, has ever implied

that marijuana can replace any of those drugs completely. However, if SOME drinkers and SOME opiate users and SOME anxiety patients etc. can use a less dangerous drug even if only SOME of the time, that is undeniably a very good thing.

[blugbox]

25. Sorry, had to speak up...

I have a medical cannabis card prescribed for anxiety... which replaced my prescription to:

XANAX

The stuff worked, but literally made me numb to the world. I wouldn't have cared if my friend died right next to me. I didn't like that feeling... or "not feeling".

I've never had a single thought of panic enter my mind while high on cannabis. I use it to relieve anxiety for cryin' out loud.

Everyone is different. Mariana is correct. It isn't THE solution for all problems, but you'd be surprised.

[raven mad]

12. We're legal here. Since 2014. Some nice shops have opened and are thriving. ***PICTURES***

Hasn't cut into the liquor trade, though.

[mercuryblues]

13. seriously

do you really need o use a slur used on women to get your point across? I thought DU was past this. Hey, I know. I can't think of a way to insult the liquor lobby, so I will use a term that is aimed toward degrading women.

[OhNo-Really]

18. My old mind didn't go there. I changed the descriptive. Thank you

[mercuryblues]

22. Thank you

I wrote the post before my 1st sip of coffee, as you can tell by my poor grammar.

[OhNo-Really]

34. I am in constant pre-coffee mode as of late.

😂

[oberliner]

14. Pot is safer than Xanax?

[dpibel]

19. How many pot overdose deaths?

Source: [link:http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/ct-drug-overdoses-health-0219-20160219-story.html|Chicago Tribune
]
While deaths from overdoses of heroin and narcotic painkillers like Oxycontin have surged in recent years, a new report finds the same thing is happening with widely used sedatives such as Xanax, Valium and Ativan.

In 2013, overdoses from these drugs, called benzodiazepines, accounted for 31 percent of the nearly 23,000 deaths from prescription drug overdoses in the United States, researchers said.

***

In case the subject line question is outside the realm of your knowledge, the answer is zero.

[oberliner]

20. Thanks for sharing that

Very informative article.

[Mariana]

24. Much safer.

In addition to the risk of overdose, Xanax is physically addictive and withdrawal can be dangerous.

[blugbox]

27. HELL YES

Much much safer, as I'm sure you are fully informed by now haha

Sorry, just throwing in another voice.

[central scrutinizer]

17. In Oregon, pot is the new zucchini

Everybody grew so much that you can't give it away. Put some on the porch, ring the doorbell and run away.

http://www.wweek.com/news/2018/04/18/oregon-grew-more-cannabis-than-customers-can-smoke-now-shops-and-farmers-are-left-with-mountains-of-unwanted-bud/

[C Moon]

21. The new zucchini! :D

[Eyeball_Kid]

30. Ain't that the truth. Growing four plants a year can easily yield...

40-50 ounces of flower tops, more if you have growing skills. Try smoking that much in a year, and you won't have any time to eat, bathe, or scratch your ass. That's a LOT of weed. You can't legally sell it, so giving it away is the best option. But then you have to compete with the recreational pot stores that sometimes lower their cost of potent weed to 3 bucks a gram, or about $85 an ounce. Your pot-starved in-laws might not want to spend the gas to drive to your free stash when they can walk to the pot store and pick from dozens of strains.

If you want to know why pot usage causes a decrease in alcohol sales, you have to know what the average pot smoker knows: that getting stoned on pot is far less debilitating than drinking 3 cans of beer, and doesn't bring on a headache or a bloated stomach. Those discomforts might not hit the pre-40 crowd so much, but for those in middle and senior age, the body recovers much more slowly after downing alcohol from the night before. With pot, it's "up-and-at-'em."

So, the reason that Beauregard Sessions is so hell-bent on destroying the pot industry must be all about the money, because it surely has nothing to do with the effects of the drugs themselves. And it's also the reason that his efforts will fail. States are discovering what a financial boon the pot industry is. They are also finding out about the public safety aspects of pot vs. alcohol consumption. The pot industry is now a multi-billion dollar industry that has the momentum and the emerging stability to be sustainable and growing far into the future. Sessions doesn't have a prayer.

[Faux pas]

28. Kicketty Kickin'

[procon]

29. Even if booze sales take a hit, purchases of snacks and various fast foods

will add a huge financial boost to a much wider range of businesses. Seriously, when you get the munchies it's not good enough to just go out and buy a little package of Doritos.

Oh no, you gotta get the industrial sized bag, or maybe one of each flavor, plus two or three different dips, a jug of salsa, a case of drinks, and a pie with a gallon of ice cream, and a can of whipped cream just because it's funny. Then you might as well swing through the Burger Barn and take home a two-handed double cheeseburger with bacon and guac, a giant order of curly chili-cheese fries, a supersize chocolate malt, and a jumbo diet pepsi to cut calories.

[Eyeball_Kid]

31. It's easily forgotten how much food is consumed with alcohol. Yet the "munchies"

are a big conversation addendum with pot.

Your comments give me a vision that pot smokers invariably turn into 500 pound vacuum cleaners of everything a convenience store can hold. But it's a vision that isn't real. The US' problems with obesity and associated health issues are far larger than anything pot users can procure.

[procon]

32. I dunno if your assertion is accurate, but from personal experience

with too many relatives and friends, I doubt it. Alcoholics have little appetite and they lose weight because they do not eat very well and developed lots of malnutrition problems. My BIL, a once big and burley man of 6'3 and at least 230 lbs, weighed 135 lbs and looked like a prisoner from a Russian gulag at the time his alcoholism killed him. It's a well known fact that bars offer patrons lots of salty snacks and a menu designed to trick social drinkers into buying more alcohol. Even so, social drinkers aren't very likely to be worried about their waistlines during Happy Hour.

[Rhiannon12866]

40. My personal experience is much the same

I've been in AA since 2008 and I still regularly attend the local beginners' group, represent them at the district, and the people who first come in rarely have weight issues. It's only when they give up alcohol that they initially crave sweets. And I was no exception. When I was active, I rarely ate. I still cooked, but I drank at the same time and by the time I was done cooking, I had no interest in eating. My doctor threatened to put me in the hospital because I weighed so little.

And just tonight we had a "celebration," two of our members made it to one year. And even after 12 months, both of them are still incredibly thin. I'll have 9 years this month and I still have issues with eating. I also know women who gave up alcohol years ago who avoid the kitchen because they drank when they cooked so they avoid it.

[Cha]

35. Oh good gods! there's always

going to be more than enough booze sold.

[GoldenPot]

36. That's great

I am sure that it is an excellent thing that alcohol becomes less popular among people. Compared to marijuana it has more harm to people's health and should be decreased in usage. Such strains as Tangie, for example, are way better than beer or vodka and not only for having fun.

[FSogol]

39. Sorry, but the premise of the thread is silly. Alcohol is experiencing a rebirth in this country.

10 years ago, Virginia had zero breweries. Now it has over 280. It has over 60 beer festivals this year. That doesn't even count the growing wineries, cideries, and craft distilling is still in its infancy.

States where pot is legal, Oregon, Washington, Colorado have even more breweries. A new brewery opens every week in the US.

Glad pot is legal and happy users can get it, but to think other recreation drugs are going away is total nonsense.

[sarcasmo]

37. Weed, saving livers one high at a time.

[TheBlackAdder]

38. Yeah, but Funyuns and Cheetos sales are up 7,000%

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