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struggle4progress

(118,273 posts)
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:26 PM Jul 2012

Sweden denies Ecuadorian request to interview Assange in UK(Wikileaks via Twitter via Russia Today!)

Published: 31 July, 2012, 20:16
The Swedish government has rejected a request by Ecuadorian officials to interview Julian Assange in the UK “without any meaningful explanation,” WikiLeaks announced today on Twitter.
http://www.rt.com/news/assange-sweden-interview-uk-512/comments/

Should we believe it? After all, the latest well-publicized Wikileaks twitter announcement was their NYT/Keller hoax. And, of course, everyone knows why Wikileaks feels grumpy towards Keller and the NYT:

... On the fourth day of the London meeting, Assange slouched into The Guardian office, a day late. Schmitt took his first measure of the man who would be a large presence in our lives ... “He was alert but disheveled, like a bag lady walking in off the street, wearing a dingy, light-colored sport coat and cargo pants, dirty white shirt, beat-up sneakers and filthy white socks that collapsed around his ankles. He smelled as if he hadn’t bathed in days” ...

Dealing With Assange and the WikiLeaks Secrets
By BILL KELLER
Published: January 26, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/30/magazine/30Wikileaks-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
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Sweden denies Ecuadorian request to interview Assange in UK(Wikileaks via Twitter via Russia Today!) (Original Post) struggle4progress Jul 2012 OP
If this is true, then I would guess that Assange is one step closer to asylum. 1monster Jul 2012 #1
Usually, if one skips out of a jurisdiction when the authorities are talking to your lawyer struggle4progress Jul 2012 #2
As I note in post #3...it is a finding of fact that he did, in fact, flee the jurisdiction. nt msanthrope Jul 2012 #4
Well, you can't flee a jurisdiction and then expect courtesies to be extended to you. msanthrope Jul 2012 #3
Some won't be happy until he's buried deep in our gulag. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #5

1monster

(11,012 posts)
1. If this is true, then I would guess that Assange is one step closer to asylum.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:08 PM
Jul 2012

Good.

I don't understand your burn for Assange, but it is way out of proportion... Don't, please, bother to try to justify it for my edification. I've already read your other stuff and remain unconvinced. Since I limit my intake of vitriol and have had enough for today, I wouldn't read it anyway.

struggle4progress

(118,273 posts)
2. Usually, if one skips out of a jurisdiction when the authorities are talking to your lawyer
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:44 PM
Jul 2012

about when you will drop by for an interview, the authorities will not play ball with you anymore

Assange actually spent the better part of two years arguing in the UK courts that he ought not be sent to Sweden; his court case, if you bother to read it, was mainly based on differences between procedure in the UK and procedure in Sweden, and on minutiae such as the exact meaning of various European treaties in this regard. It involves rather different theories than his public relations campaign

During this time, his story has repeatedly changed, depending on what he considered useful to say in public. In the early days, he cast himself as a bit of playboy, unfortunately caught up in some radical feminist net; later the story became one of some dark US intrigue to snatch him from Sweden and send him to Guantanamo or worse; from time to time, we hear of the cruel medieval quality of the Swedish justice system. To these misrepresentations, others are added, such as the constant cry that the Swedish should come interview him in England. The Swedish, naturally, refused when first offered, as it does not accord with their standard procedure in dealing with fugitives, and the Ecuador embassy folk are smart enough to know perfectly well the offer won't be accepted no matter how often the embassy repeats it


Getting the Assange issue wrong
Some illiberal thinking by well-meaning liberals.
By David Allen Green
Published 10 December 2010 18:15

... This is a person accused of sex offences and against whom there is a European Arrest Warrant. It may well be that he will be able to defeat the attempt to extradite him, or it may be that he will be cleared of the allegations, or acquitted of any charges if tried. But as it stands, he should not be treated any worse or any better than any other person accused of such offences who is subject to a live extradition process.

When the allegations first broke back in August, it was immediately clear that many of his supporters were rushing in to smear or dismiss the complainants casually. This was an ugly and unfortunate reaction which, if anything, has intensified. Many observers – and not only feminists – are rightly disgusted by this display of instinctive or intended misogyny (including a great piece today by Libby Brooks, also in the Guardian).

Just as in August, the complainants deserve to be accorded respect. Assange, in turn, should have the benefit of the presumption of innocence. And, unless there is a good basis for defeating the extradition proceedings, there should now be a speedy procedure that will either determine any guilt or clear his name ...
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/12/meaning-liberals-assange
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
3. Well, you can't flee a jurisdiction and then expect courtesies to be extended to you.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:51 PM
Jul 2012


The British Courts, using the testimony from Assange's own lawyer, made a finding of fact that he did flee the day before his scheduled interview.

Mr. Assanges' defense attorney in Sweden, Mr. Hurtig, testified during the London proceedings that Ms. Ny had attempted to secure an interview with Mr. Assange, but that he left the country the day before the date scheduled:




In cross-examination the Swedish lawyer confirmed that paragraph 13 of his proof of evidence is wrong. The last five lines of paragraph 13 of his proof read: “in the following days I telephoned a number of times to ask whether we could arrange a time for Mr Assange’s interview but was never given an answer, leaving me with the impression that they may close the rape case without even bothering to interview him. On 27th September 2010, Mr Assange left Sweden.” He agreed that this was wrong. Ms Ny did contact him. A specific suggestion was put to him that on 22nd September he sent a text to the prosecutors saying “I have not talked to my client since I talked to you”. He checked his mobile phone and at first said he did not have the message as he does not keep them that far back. He was encouraged to check his inbox, and there was an adjournment for that purpose. He then confirmed that on 22nd September 2010 at 16.46 he has a message from Ms Ny saying: “Hello – it is possible to have an interview Tuesday”. Next there was a message saying: “Thanks for letting me know. We will pursue Tuesday 28th at 1700”. He then accepted that there must have been a text from him. “You can interpret these text messages as saying that we had a phone call, but I can’t say if it was on 21st or 22nd”. He conceded that it is possible that Ms Ny told him on the 21st that she wanted to interview his client. She requested a date as soon as possible. He agrees that the following day, 22nd, she contacted him at least twice.

Then he was then cross-examined about his attempts to contact his client. To have the full flavour it may be necessary to consider the transcript in full. In summary the lawyer was unable to tell me what attempts he made to contact his client, and whether he definitely left a message. It was put that he had a professional duty to tell his client of the risk of detention. He did not appear to accept that the risk was substantial or the need to contact his client was urgent. He said “I don’t think I left a message warning him” (about the possibility of arrest). He referred to receiving a text from Ms Ny at 09.11 on 27th September, the day his client left Sweden. He had earlier said he had seen a baggage ticket that Mr Assange had taken a plane that day, but was unable to help me with the time of the flight.

Mr Hurtig was asked why he told Brita Sundberg-Wietman that Ms Ny had made no effort to interview his client. He denied saying that and said he has never met her. He agrees that he gave information to Mr Alhem. He agrees that where he had said in his statement (paragraph 51) that “I found it astonishing that Ms Ny, having allowed five weeks to elapse before she sought out interview”, then that is wrong. He had forgotten the messages referred to above. They must have slipped his mind. There were then questions about DNA. It was suggested to him that a reason for the interrogation taking place in Sweden was that a DNA sample may be required. He seemed to me to at first agree and then prevaricate. He then accepted that in his submissions to the Swedish court he had said that the absence of DNA is a weakness in the prosecution case. He added “I can’t say if I told Ms Ny that Julian Assange had no intention of coming back to Sweden”. He agrees that at least at first he was giving the impression that Mr Assange was willing to come back. He was asked if Julian Assange went back to Sweden and replied: “Not as far as I am aware”.

In re-examination he confirmed that he did not know Mr Assange was leaving Sweden on 27th September and first learned he was abroad on 29th. He agreed that the mistakes he had made in his proof were embarrassing and that shouldn’t have happened. He also agreed that it is important that what he says is right and important for his client that his evidence is credible.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/20110224-Britain-Ruling-Assange-Extradition-to-Sweden.pdf



The magistrate who wrote this opinion clearly saw through the subterfuge of Mr. Assange, and his lawyer......one does not accidentially leave a country right before one's scheduled interview, and then, never make it back, unless one knows that one is in deep shit.
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