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Tue Apr 24, 2018, 09:07 AM


Juvenile POS award for Tuesday goes to: Shiva Ayyadurai -this is what Trump has normalized


(cannot get photo to show up- at link to see)

A bus parked outside Shiva Ayyadurai's campaign headquarters taunts Mass. Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren's claims of Native American heritage.


A self-described "real Indian" who is running against Mass. Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren is suing after city officials demanded he take down his signs calling her a "fake Indian."

The upstart independent Senate challenger, Shiva Ayyadurai, on Sunday filed a federal lawsuit alleging that the demand from the city of Cambridge violates his constitutional free speech rights, according to The Washington Times.

Since March 17, Ayyadurai's campaign bus has sported two identical signs picturing himself and a rendition of Warren wearing Indian attire. Emblazoned next to the images are the words: "Only a REAL INDIAN Can Defeat the Fake Indian."

“We will not remove the slogan from our bus,” Ayyadurai told The Washington Times. “We will defend the First Amendment, and we will fight this egregious attack on the First Amendment, at any cost.”


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Reply Juvenile POS award for Tuesday goes to: Shiva Ayyadurai -this is what Trump has normalized (Original post)
poboy2 Apr 2018 OP
Arkansas Granny Apr 2018 #1
moriah Apr 2018 #5
unblock Apr 2018 #2
poboy2 Apr 2018 #3
Delmette2.0 Apr 2018 #4

Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Tue Apr 24, 2018, 09:17 AM

1. Like Elizabeth Warren, we were always told that our ancestry included Native American heritage.

The story was that 8 generations back, a family member had married the proverbial "Indian Princess". The story was commonly accepted. One branch of our family tree originated in Oklahoma (Warren's birthplace) and several members of my Dad's family had a strong Native American physical appearance (black hair, deep complexion, high cheek bones, lack of facial hair etc.). I have seen a drawing done by Charles Banks Wilson as part of his documentation of the Eastern Oklahoma tribes that I could have sworn was my grandmother.

However, A DNA test told us another story. 97% European and 3% sub Saharan African.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 24, 2018, 10:13 AM

5. I suspect that's what Ancestry will say about our family.

We never had the "Indian Princess" story. If my half-sister's shows significantly higher, perhaps her grandmother's continuous denial of her Native looks is more indicative than "family stories" of heritage.

But that branch of my sister's family is from the NC/TN border mountain region, and on Mom's side we're at a stopping point there, too. The last Overton we can find a direct connection to apparently enlisted underage on the US side during the Creek War, in Hawkins County TN. Shortly after he was arrested in Grainger County and paid a huge fine, and websites suggest there was a family story passed that he was a "half breed" and that's why he was punished so significantly. In that court record there's another person listed, but not looks or age, with the same last name.

Searching for those individuals in war records shows the Overton we know we're related to and how was enlisted as having "Black eyes, black hair, and dark complexion", the other is sandy/bue/light and of an age to be his father (and also was enlisted by the same person). But no marriage records/kids are showing for the pale Overton until his marriage which produced a different set of kids. Our Overton's Y descendants match the same Y-STR "clan" as the pale Overton's descendants, and are so far the only other ones in the Overton DNA study to match it exactly. The pale one could have been an uncle, etc, or had a kid out of marriage he acknowledged and "gave his name".

The person who submitted the Y-DNA that confirmed our Overton is somehow related to the blue-eyed one said he'd been told that person was of "Melungeon" descent, which seems to be a description for a group many say are a mix of whites, free people of color, and possibly NA. Apparently many of them claimed Portuguese origins at the time, but DNA doesn't seem to support it. Since the area was near Cherokee tribes and by then the Cherokee had sometimes acquired slaves, perhaps they were freed by their tribes, or they were freed by people who didn't want to own slaves anymore, and it seems historically the group has "married white".

So my ginger grandfather's may be where we get our "drop" that everyone in the South likely has.

However, DNA wouldn't necessarily show confirmation of NA ancestry if you are far enough away from the person in lineage and over the many generations you inherited the non-NA genes.

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Tue Apr 24, 2018, 09:40 AM

2. it's all bigoted, sexist, who-gives-a-shit.

it's hard to imagine warren wasn't told these family stories.

it's easy to imagine that either
(a) the stories were true, but there's no evidence to support it; or
(b) the stories were false, but warren believed them in earnest.

either way, who gives a crap? even if she told it as a knowing bald-faced lie, it's nothing compared to the kind of lies donnie gets away with on a daily basis.

once again, democrats have to be perfect, while republicans get away with anything and everything.

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Response to unblock (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 24, 2018, 09:48 AM

3. I wished I could get the photo of the banner/sign to show up. THAT to me is the offensive part.


Someone photoshopped a headdress on her. And the challenger is an Indian.
It all smells so offensive and Trump-Milo-O'Keefe -esque.

Petty juvenile, immature, base, etc. In short, DEPLORABLE.

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Response to poboy2 (Original post)

Tue Apr 24, 2018, 10:13 AM

4. My grandfather's brother married a native American.

If you don't have a good documented family tree, then stories can get mixed up. I'm not surprised that 8 generations back could be difficult to prove.

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