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melman

(7,681 posts)
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 10:15 PM Apr 2018

Claims by Joy Reids Cybersecurity Expert Fall Apart

MSNBC host Joy Reid claims that recently unearthed homophobic articles attributed to her are fakes. And she says a cybersecurity consultant has proof that her old blog has been hacked.

But that consultant, Jonathan Nichols, had trouble producing the promised evidence. And what he did produce failed to withstand scrutiny, according to a Daily Beast analysis. Blog posts that Nichols claimed do not appear on the Internet Archive are, in fact, there. The indicators of hacked posts don’t bear out.

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To support the screenshot forgery allegation, Nichols pointed to six images in the @Jamie_Maz Twitter timeline that he said were definitely not written by Reid nor posted by a hacker, but instead were outright fabricated images of posts that never appeared on the site. "The most obvious one was an instance where—it’s an easy one, it'll stick in your head— [@Jamie_Maz] says Joy made statements about Eddie Murphy. It's obviously false, she never made that claim."

Nichols said those six posts are nowhere to be found in the Internet Archive. But that is not true.

Further searching on the Internet Archive turned up the posts for all six of the screenshots Nichols described as fakes, including the one about Eddie Murphy. The Internet Archive’s records indicate they were retrieved and stored between 2006 and 2009. And all six are exactly as they appear in the screenshots. A random check of other screenshots attributed to the blog produced the same result: none of the images are faked or doctored.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/claims-by-joy-reids-cybersecurity-expert-fall-apart

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Claims by Joy Reids Cybersecurity Expert Fall Apart (Original Post) melman Apr 2018 OP
Not buying it...but even if true would not care...right wing bullshit...who is next? Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #1
The Daily Beast is right wing bullshit? melman Apr 2018 #3
Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #6
Blatant and baseless personal attack melman Apr 2018 #10
You have the posts to prove it emulatorloo Apr 2018 #13
Show me a lie I posted about Reid melman Apr 2018 #15
It's adorable how people justify pretense and disingenuous behavior LanternWaste Apr 2018 #33
Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #37
"Show me now. You can't." Scurrilous Apr 2018 #63
Bazinga! Thanks! George II Apr 2018 #12
that is over the line. You should reconsider. If you think that melman is posting in bad faith JCanete Apr 2018 #22
According to them, Daily Beast "investigated" the claim? George II Apr 2018 #16
The Daily beast fell for right wing bullshit and because of their actions I cancelled my Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author Exotica Apr 2018 #7
Melman, super-defensive about BOBs and Bernie to Trump voters, falls apart emulatorloo Apr 2018 #2
So they are not going to reinstate her column?? Exotica Apr 2018 #4
I'll wait to hear from the FBI EffieBlack Apr 2018 #5
+1. emulatorloo Apr 2018 #8
I'm with you on that Effie. Seems reasonable to wait for FBI investigation & facts to come out. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #17
There is no reason why anyone would hear from the FBI oberliner Apr 2018 #24
The FBI is investigating the hack. lapucelle Apr 2018 #27
Sure there is reason, the FBI is investigating this issue. And from what I have heard they stevenleser Apr 2018 #38
What site am I ...never mind. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #51
Oops. Kingofalldems Apr 2018 #39
Maybe the KGB inserted that post into DU during the post-election hack. n/t QC Apr 2018 #42
LET IT SINK. Pathwalker Apr 2018 #9
SMH........... George II Apr 2018 #11
Harper Valley PTA struggle4progress Apr 2018 #14
.... ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #18
DU is cited in this article oberliner Apr 2018 #19
You sure love this crap malaise Apr 2018 #20
+1 musette_sf Apr 2018 #50
To be fair the future of the human race is at stake. there is a very serious reason why Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #52
So what's your end game with this, melman ? OnDoutside Apr 2018 #21
I don't have an endgame melman Apr 2018 #23
By Kevin Poulsen. ehrnst Apr 2018 #43
So, Reid's Wordpress blog secirity was so great in 2006, that nobody, but nobody could crack it. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #25
Perhaps you missed that one of the posts was linked to on DU mythology Apr 2018 #32
These accusations never passed the smell test. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #36
Maybe the KGB inserted that post into DU during the post-election hack. n/t QC Apr 2018 #54
Many here are afraid of the truth. NT Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2018 #26
I don't think so...many are tired of seeing others carry water for Republicans on DU BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #29
But the narrative isnt false. Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2018 #31
while you play your game BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #45
I'm not playing a game. Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2018 #57
you are playing politics. BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #59
Nope, I'm after truth. Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2018 #60
But it kind of is, unless you don't understand what everyone Ninsianna Apr 2018 #47
I was getting my info from The Atlantic, Washington Post, and The Daily Beast Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2018 #56
I'd pretend that's the case also. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #34
Many get what you're saying. (n/t) Iggo Apr 2018 #35
How often do post Dem bashing Ops vs Trump bashing OPs? BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #28
I think she received some really bad advice from this crackpot cyber security expert Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #30
Wow this guy is a piece of work Blue_Adept Apr 2018 #44
are you reying on the reporting of right wingers on mediaite Ninsianna Apr 2018 #48
You might want to google "Kevin Poulsen", who wrote that Daily Beast article. George II Apr 2018 #40
I just did and his wikopedia makes him sound like he would know what he is talking about dsc Apr 2018 #49
Yes it looks like he knows what he's talking about, and also could even be.... George II Apr 2018 #55
i don't understand why Joy didn't just apologize, say she's had a change of heart since then 0rganism Apr 2018 #41
If you buy into this bullshit, it's on you. I left DU a year ago and am never coming back. 6000eliot Apr 2018 #46
Liberals, democrats are under attack ...no doubt about it. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #53
I look at this as if my house were on fire and montana_hazeleyes Apr 2018 #58
I trust Joy and the FBI more than I trust the Daily Beast "expert". lapucelle Apr 2018 #61
The proof to me of Joys innocence gibraltar72 Apr 2018 #62
Law enforcement still looking into the claims? oberliner May 2018 #65

Response to melman (Reply #3)

emulatorloo

(45,537 posts)
13. You have the posts to prove it
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 10:37 PM
Apr 2018

You freak out when ever anyone justifiably criticizes the BOB movement or Bernie to Trump voters, and you will say anythingto silence legit criticism of Sanders questionable votes and gaffes.



You have an investment in lying about Reid, and you have zero shame in getting in bed with egregious right wingers like Tucker Carson to score cheap political points.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
33. It's adorable how people justify pretense and disingenuous behavior
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:54 PM
Apr 2018

It's adorable how people justify the use of pretense and disingenuous behavior by advertising to everyone that they're not in fact, lies.

No... of course they're not-- that's precisely what makes pretense and disingenuous behavior so convenient.

Response to LanternWaste (Reply #33)

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
63. "Show me now. You can't."
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 06:48 PM
Apr 2018

Of course they can't. They had a reply alerted on and removed and can no longer post on this thread. But I'm pretty sure you knew that.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
22. that is over the line. You should reconsider. If you think that melman is posting in bad faith
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 04:47 AM
Apr 2018

you should alert or appeal to melman directly, as I am to you now, rather than just talking trash about a fellow DUer's character.

there are a range of reasons why people don't like Joy Reid on the left, some of which stem from her own attacks on those on the left, including Sanders supporters, etc. with as little generosity as being afforded to her here. That said, I think she as much as anybody deserves to be given the benefit of the doubt, and that people should check themselves if they are actively engaged in trying to destroy her for their own personal animosities with her. As she should do...as DUers across the spectrum should do.

And if in the end, she was found to have posted these things, then I think an owning up to them and growing from the education is good enough for me. I will certainly sign no petition attempting to get her removed(although I'm no particular fan).

Demsrule86

(70,981 posts)
64. The Daily beast fell for right wing bullshit and because of their actions I cancelled my
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 07:21 PM
Apr 2018

subscription. Don't jump on the Right wing bullshit bandwagon and expect me to fund you...stand up for progressives. And this started in right wing media and the far left has jumped on it too...strange partnership that...as there is nothing in it for progressives if the GOP manages to destroy her with a little help from some who are supposed to be our friends.

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #1)

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
5. I'll wait to hear from the FBI
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 10:23 PM
Apr 2018

But your yeoman efforts to play online junior cybersleuth are duly noted.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. There is no reason why anyone would hear from the FBI
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:19 AM
Apr 2018

One of the blog posts was posted to DU at the time. Do you not find that convincing?

lapucelle

(19,524 posts)
27. The FBI is investigating the hack.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 11:36 AM
Apr 2018
“We have received confirmation the FBI has opened an investigation into potential criminal activities surrounding several online accounts, including personal email and blog accounts, belonging to Joy-Ann Reid,” said her lawyer, John H. Reichman, in a statement provided by MSNBC. “Our own investigation and monitoring of the situation will continue in parallel, and we are cooperating with law enforcement as their investigation proceeds.”


http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/joy-reid-attorney-fbi-investigation-hacking-1202788220/
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
38. Sure there is reason, the FBI is investigating this issue. And from what I have heard they
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 01:26 PM
Apr 2018

have already indicated that there is reason to believe hacking of her blog has occurred. The unknown is whether the post in question was one of the hacks.

I am leaning in that direction. You can't post what it is alleged that she posted on a liberal leaning blog with a fair amount of traffic and not receive responses and pushback, yet what we know right now is that there were zero responses to those posts.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. DU is cited in this article
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 04:21 AM
Apr 2018
But at least one of the entries was contemporaneously referenced on a completely different website. A Feb. 6, 2007 post containing the line “most straight guys (and women) do react with winces at the sight of two men kissing on the lips” drew a comment on the Democratic Underground forum the same day: “Oh, Reidblog... why, why why…”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/claims-by-joy-reids-cybersecurity-expert-fall-apart/

Eliot Rosewater

(32,528 posts)
52. To be fair the future of the human race is at stake. there is a very serious reason why
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 04:14 PM
Apr 2018

liberals are attacked.

OnDoutside

(20,649 posts)
21. So what's your end game with this, melman ?
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 04:34 AM
Apr 2018

In an era when we know that there are Right Wing takedowns of those on the Left in the media & politics, and at a time when we know of the running feud between the Sanders and Reid, I support Reid as I support Franken.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
23. I don't have an endgame
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 04:59 AM
Apr 2018

This is an article from the Daily Beast. Perhaps you recall that Joy Reid is a columnist there. Earlier in the week they announced they were suspending her column pending the results of an investigation. This article details what they found in that investigation.

 

TheSmarterDog

(794 posts)
25. So, Reid's Wordpress blog secirity was so great in 2006, that nobody, but nobody could crack it.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:48 AM
Apr 2018

Therefor all the posts are real. Even though nobody remembers them & nobody commented on them.

But in an era when every one of the states' election commission servers were hacked, the DNC was hacked, the RNC was hacked, the Trump campaign was hacked, the Clinton campaign was hacked, the Sanders campaign was hacked, Facebook has been hacked, Twitter has been hacked, Google has been hacked, Verizon has been hacked, and literally every website in the world is vulnerable - we're supposed to believe the Internet Archive is the one site in all existence that isn't?

Yeah, sure.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
32. Perhaps you missed that one of the posts was linked to on DU
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:50 PM
Apr 2018

The claim is implausible and when the first claim presented fell apart so easily, you should be skeptical of the rest.

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
29. I don't think so...many are tired of seeing others carry water for Republicans on DU
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 11:49 AM
Apr 2018

many are tired of those playing the RW cards and many are tired that above all else of sabotaging any outspoken liberal. It's important to realize who the real villain is, without so called progressives muddying the waters and deflecting from what should be a the real goal. There is one job right now, and tearing into the good liberal voices, isn't it.

There is really no point in you pressing the false narrative that libs are afraid of anything right now.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
31. But the narrative isnt false.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:47 PM
Apr 2018

Unless you believe in time traveling hackers.

Pro-tip: One can be both opposed to Republicans and opposed to lying pundits who swing left.

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
45. while you play your game
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 02:27 PM
Apr 2018

the RW thanks you.

and truly it's the game of politics....you decide which rules applies and when, but don't expect others to jump on the bandwagon of "eating their own" as the way to win. THE RW have mastered the game of politicking in showing a solid core and force, regardless of the faults of their officials and representatives.

Dems would do well to at least try to play by those same rules until after we are in control of both houses and even the WH....after that justifying the crucifixion (I tend to think it's more crucifiction) of our own can be debated.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
57. I'm not playing a game.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 04:45 PM
Apr 2018

I'm looking at the facts being reported in the REPUTABLE media (Washington Post, The Atlantic, The Daily Beast), not the right wing rags. I don't care what she said 10 years ago. I do care that she is lying about it.

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
59. you are playing politics.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:36 PM
Apr 2018

you are not playing to win. You are helping the wrong crowd. I have no more time to be spent on that type is foolish game playing.

Good day.

Ninsianna

(1,353 posts)
47. But it kind of is, unless you don't understand what everyone
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 03:58 PM
Apr 2018

is actually saying about how this archive can be easily hacked and screenshotted.
Pro tip, when jumping on board a right wing and Putin conducted train, understand that this is supporting Republican tactics and talking points and punching pundits because of the shared biases with those groups, there is nothing left about supporting familiar lying tactics

Unless you actually think Sputnik, RT, and Breitbart are concerned about the sensibilities of the LGBT community, in which case, I've got some beautiful apartments in a Trump branded property to sell you!

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
56. I was getting my info from The Atlantic, Washington Post, and The Daily Beast
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 04:43 PM
Apr 2018

Pretty sure NONE of those are carrying water for the RW.

Plus, one of the very messages she claims was planted was posted right here on DU in 2007.

Also, it's not one archive. It's a LOT of archives. Library of Congress, Wayback Machine, et al. It would be QUITE difficult to hack ALL of them to have the same information, which was crawled and timestamped 10 years ago.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
34. I'd pretend that's the case also.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:57 PM
Apr 2018

I'd pretend that's the case also.

I'd also imply a lack a certain lack of courage on my part by not directing my words to any specific target, but rather use a generic pronoun to better hide behind.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,683 posts)
30. I think she received some really bad advice from this crackpot cyber security expert
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:39 PM
Apr 2018

They painted themselves in a corner with that very specifically tailored apology in December. And then tried to remove the archived evidence of the other posts with the robot text commands.



I mean how much of a cyber expert can this guy be? Could he be dumb enough to think The Way Back Machine was the only archive? Sure looks like it.

This so called cyber expert tried to clean up his own ties to white supremacists by deleting and locking down his twitter posts. Who is dumb enough to think that would work?

The guy got caught bragging about being friends and attending the prison release party of The Daily Stormer editor.

The guy is a loon. He bragged about being able to influence events in Libya





Ninsianna

(1,353 posts)
48. are you reying on the reporting of right wingers on mediaite
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 04:04 PM
Apr 2018

When your sources for right wing smears are obvious right wingers, it's time to check the bias and do better research.

dsc

(52,594 posts)
49. I just did and his wikopedia makes him sound like he would know what he is talking about
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 04:06 PM
Apr 2018

and he seems to have some journalistic chops as well. Honestly I am more impressed with the article now.

George II

(67,782 posts)
55. Yes it looks like he knows what he's talking about, and also could even be....
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 04:37 PM
Apr 2018

....the person who altered Reid's posts. He's got quite a shady (and felonious) background:

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-09-12/magazine/tm-34163_1_kevin-poulsen

And he doesn't exactly run around in the best circles:

https://steemit.com/smartcryptotrade/@cryptosteven/the-wikileaks-tech-guru-who-helped-get-clinton-emails-found-dead

I'm not inclined to believe anything that guy says.

0rganism

(24,591 posts)
41. i don't understand why Joy didn't just apologize, say she's had a change of heart since then
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 01:41 PM
Apr 2018

no need to claim she was hacked even if it's true. make a lot of public statements repudiating her alleged prior viewpoint, and eventually everyone moves on from this without extended repercussions.

instead Joy's burning her own rep. needlessly. what the hell does she gain from doing this?

above all, journalists (not right-wing "entertainers" posing as journalists) need to be perceived as credible or they'll wither away. her assertions of hacking and foul play are not holding up well. the longer this saga continues, the more she's tainted with the appearance of dishonesty, and the harder it will be to re-establish credibility. for her, a loss of credibility will be far more damaging then a prior bout with homophobia, which is far too common in this society anyway, she could have turned this issue into a winner but instead, in a flurry of completely unforced errors, she's torching her own career. all i can figure is someone she trusts gave her extremely poor advice.

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
46. If you buy into this bullshit, it's on you. I left DU a year ago and am never coming back.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 02:29 PM
Apr 2018

I do lurk sometimes and have noticed shit stirrers like this stirring the same shit about Reid using the same rehearsed responses over and over. BTW, go ahead and report and get this post taken down. I DO NOT CARE. I left DU a year ago and am never coming back.

montana_hazeleyes

(3,424 posts)
58. I look at this as if my house were on fire and
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:36 PM
Apr 2018

my kids are inside ready to burn up and neighbors are running to help and I say "Oh, you can't help Sam. You said some things 10 years ago I don't like. And " No Jim, you've been a great neighbor but a woman accused you of making her uncomfortable so go away"

I'd rather let my house burn down with my kids inside.

HEY FOLKS! OUR WORLD IS ON FIRE AND WE ARE ALL AT RISK! Why are some trying to reject the ones trying to help???????????????????

lapucelle

(19,524 posts)
61. I trust Joy and the FBI more than I trust the Daily Beast "expert".
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 06:32 PM
Apr 2018
Kevin Poulsen (Dark Dante)
Pleaded guilty to seven counts of mail, wire and computer fraud, money laundering and obstruction of justice; sentenced to 51 months in prison and ordered to pay $56,000 in restitution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_criminals#cite_note-Digital_Underworld-8

Mr Poulsen, who was sentenced to five years in a federal penitentiary, as well as being banned from using computers or the internet for 3 years after his release, was the subject of a biography published in 1997.

https://www.amazon.com/Watchman-Twisted-Crimes-Serial-Poulsen/dp/0316528579/ref=la_B000AQ3XJ4_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1524871057&sr=1-3

While Mr. Poulsen has admirably reinvented himself since he was released from prison, he still appears to have some unusual hobbies.


gibraltar72

(7,629 posts)
62. The proof to me of Joys innocence
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 06:37 PM
Apr 2018

she turned it over to law enforcement. I don't think she would do that if guilty. Facing false police report charge would be pretty catastrophic. Besides which I think she's a hypophobe not a homophobe. Let the first person who hasn't used the term Mann Coulter or miss Lindsey cast the first stone.

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