Black Folk Outrage vs. White Folk Outrage

[EffieBlack]

Link to tweet

Black folk outrage

Flint not having water
Unarmed blacks killed by cops
Cops called on black patrons at Starbucks, golf course, & Waffle House
Black woman goes into Cardiac arrest plane wouldn’t land

White folk outrage:

A joke made about Sarah Huckabee Sanders eye makeup

[dalton99a]

1. Kick

[olegramps]

29. Just another attempt at diversion by the Repuks.

I can't say what I really think of Sanders and whole damn Republican Party. Its not fit for publishing.

The situation is simple. Trump and his cadre of imps are exploiting the undereducated and misinformed. Trump and his cadre of the top 1% are duping these clowns who actually believe that their lousy situation can be magically improved by these charlatans.

They can't face the fact that the world in which a person could have a high school or even less education could make a decent living working in rote factory jobs. Those jobs are gone and never coming back. They should visit a modern factory employing robotics and automation. The robots work 24/7 without a complaint, doing perfect functions with continuous evaluation of the process to assure its quality.

I have spent hours with these people who just can't grasp the fact that their situation is totally dependent on their failure, and to an extent of society, to prepare themselves for the today's world. Yes, a certain number of jobs have been outsourced to cheaper labor markets, but they pale in comparison to those lost by automation. This runs the entire spectrum from clerical to manufacturing with the added fact that will continue unabated. That is not to say that trade agreements can not be improved. But the fact remains that the corporations have one goal, maximize profits and they have no problem with exploiting desperate workers. It is a vicious business and if they don't take advantage of every opportunity they will be quickly destroyed. The abandonment of workers from unions is also a factor that has allowed the process to go on unchallenged without adequate retraining.

[Zoonart]

2. THIS!

[Cha]

3. I'm with the Black Folks'

outrage.

Mahalo, Effie

[rock]

4. Well put

[BarbD]

5. Amen!

[VOX]

6. Word! K & R.

Perfectly worded.

[oasis]

7. K and R

[MineralMan]

8. Yes. Exactly.

Distractions from the real issues we face. They are what's in the news. Pay no attention to the real stories, folks...here's a piece of brain candy for you to savor!

[Rebl2]

9. So true

[lunatica]

10. Oh please!

Really? Stereotype much?

[poboy2]

31. It kind of offends me personally. I'm fucking here trying to fight the good fight and this is my

thanks I guess.

Its getting a bit too racial in here for my tastes.

[EffieBlack]

37. Just who are you expecting "thanks" from?

[wellst0nev0ter]

39. Didn't you know? They give out participation trophies

for not being a racist

[Tarc]

51. Oh, you poor dear. Shall I fetch the smelling salts and pull up your fainting couch?

[EffieBlack]

55. Hello? Care to respond?

You seem to think you're entitled to some kind of thanks for "fighting the good fight." Exactly who do you think is supposed to thank you for your efforts?

[JustAnotherGen]

65. It's tiring

It must be just like how Rosa Parks - like things were too racial.

[nini]

72. If that made you uncomfortable and you think it is racist

Then you need to rethink things. It shouldnt be offensuve to see the point being made there which is valid.

[John Fante]

108. It isn't a valid point though.

There are tens of millions of whites who weren't the least bit outraged over what was said at the WHCD. Why lump them in in the butthurt deplorables?

[nini]

133. If the shoe doesn't fit you then don't worry

This 'not all whites' think like that just avoids the problem with those it does apply to.

I'm white and I'm not offended when I see stuff like that. The problem is too many white people get butt hurt over it instead of calling out those people too. Focus your outrage to where it belongs.

[John Fante]

138. Reread your post, but replace "white" with "black".

Come back and tell me your logic is still sound.

[EffieBlack]

140. OK - I'll bite

White folk outrage

Flint not having water
Unarmed blacks killed by cops
Cops called on black patrons at Starbucks, golf course, & Waffle House
Black woman goes into Cardiac arrest plane wouldn’t land

Black folk outrage:

A joke made about Sarah Huckabee Sanders eye makeup

That makes absolutely no sense.

So, Nini’s logic is very sound.

[John Fante]

143. I was talking about post #133.

[EffieBlack]

144. Got it - but it would also make no sense to replace white with black unless you knew what

the new version was responding to.

If it was the whitesplaining we see all too often on DU, it would make absolutely no sense at all.

Sometimes things and situations just aren’t equivalent, so the “reverse discrimination” argument - which is what you’re trying to make - just don’t have any credibility.

[John Fante]

145. Fair enough, and I agree - this generalization is harmless

compared to the negative stereotypes POC have edured over the years. Not even close. I'm not a fan of racial negative stereotypes big and small (which is why I don't dig the tweet), but I do apologize for the false equivalence.

[EffieBlack]

141. I added an addendum

Black folk outrage:

Flint not having water
Unarmed blacks killed by cops
Cops called on black patrons at Starbucks, golf course, & Waffle House
Black woman goes into Cardiac arrest plane wouldn’t land

White folk outrage:

A joke made about Sarah Huckabee Sanders eye makeup

Certain white folk on DU outrage:

Black folk saying “white folk”

[bettyellen]

137. In he context of Twitter, it certainly is a valid point.

[left-of-center2012]

124. Agreed

And I expect to be attacked for agreeing with you.

[JustAnotherGen]

66. What's the problem?

[lunatica]

70. You don't get the broad brush stereotype in that tweet?

[EffieBlack]

73. You don't get satire?

[lunatica]

76. Yes. I get satire

It seems to be a running gag on DU lately. I don’t get it in your post but I also have no knowledge of who the author of the tweet is, nor do I follow tweets in order to see responses.

On its face I don’t see it. Perhaps in context it means something.

It just looks like a dumb comment to me.

[EffieBlack]

80. Interesting that you don't know enough about any of it to recognize satire

But you were ok believing that the author was racially stereotyping white people?

I don’t see how you could possibly miss it and have difficulty seeing how you could assume any stereotyping was involved. Unless you have reason to think the author believes that every single black person thinks exactly alike and every single white person thinks exactly the same, One would have to make a huge flying leap over the satire to get anywhere close to the possibility of stereotyping.

[bettyellen]

103. These robotic responses lead me to believe sarcasm is not a tool they wanna share w POC....

I can’t belive someone actually listed white people problems above. WTF, some people can’t help themselves.

[lunatica]

127. The author was racially stereotyping both white people AND black people

Now you’re the one who is jumping to conclusions, and evidently based on a predisposition that any negative response is automatically racist. Perhaps you might look within the same way you demand others do.

I know the difference between racism and stereotyping though. I wonder if you do.

[JustAnotherGen]

116. No - it's all text

No images

[iluvtennis]

11. Exactly.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. I get your point, but I doubt even half of whites are outraged about that joke, and

... and there is much that whites are outraged about in terms of Trump Gang / Republicon policies and legislation that doesn't die down because of some comedian. Just like the water, killings, arrests, and arrest, the other issues are still prominent in whites' minds. Which does not negate the fact that many whites have in mind those "black folk outrage" issues you mention. Because they are absolutely more important than eye makeup jokes.

I think the divide is much more CONservatives versus liberals / progressives with regard to issues and outrage and comics.

You could cast that tweet as "Progressive folk outrage" and "CON folk outrage" and it would be just as good a point. But the way it is written does a good job of contrasting. I always hope that where there is common cause across racial lines, that can be emphasized rather than trodden on.

Further, it is really the MEDIA who are jacking up the outrage and amping up the responses so that they can keep this two day wonder boiling for another day or two to enhance their profits.

[LiberalLovinLug]

19. Well said

[poboy2]

41. More whitesplaining, sorry. -nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

44. Oh. You are making a big assumption about my color. . . . nt

[marble falls]

77. Blacksplaining, really??? Delete your post!

[SunSeeker]

13. LOVE the Twitter comments to that. Definitely worth the read.

BTW, the joke was about SHS lies, not poking fun at her eye makeup. Wolf said SHS burns up facts and uses the ashes to create the "perfect smokey eye." It was actually a compliment to her perfect application of the "smokey eye" eye shadow effect...using the ashes of facts.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

14. Worth recalling Michele Wolf's final line: "Flint still doesn't have clean water".

Delivered while tRump was 30 minutes away from Flint.

[EffieBlack]

15. and when was the last time any of these correspondents asked any administration official

about it?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. Yup. You are right on point there and Michelle Wolf had great cutting remarks about the media. . . n

[tblue37]

38. Right after they asked about Puerto Rico's situation post-Maria. nt

[mythology]

16. What utter hogwash

There is exactly zero evidence presented white people don't care about Flint. I get that quick cute memes are mistaken for deep thought, but it's not. This quote is so utterly stupid it's funny. It's not insightful or intellectually honest. Unfortunately that is what passes as biting insight today.

[EffieBlack]

21. Whoosh!

[Amimnoch]

25. ROFL Effie, you beat me to it!

So much irony showing outrage over a tweet about what the different demographics find outrageous.

I wasn't sure if the emoji was just missing or if it really was so much over the head.

Does kind of drive home the point the tweet was making, doesn't it?

[EffieBlack]

26. Almost better than the tweet does ...

[poboy2]

32. Yes, if your intention is to divide and drive fighters for the cause away, congrats!

[EffieBlack]

34. You're not a "fighter for the cause" if something someone says on an online board drives you away

And true “fighters for the cause” don’t try to shut up the people much closer to the “cause” than they are by telling them how they should communicate and threatening to walk away if they don’t communicate in a manner that meets their satisfaction.

Don’t do us any favors. If frank talk makes you this uncomfortable, by all means, please just walk away. We don’t want to trouble you ...

[KitSileya]

110. Not to mention, nothing shows privilege more than threatening to remove support b/c of tone.

If you wonder if you have privilege and therefore have increased responsibility for rectifying the inequality, being able to threaten to withhold support if the things being said about it doesn't cater to you enough is a sure sign. African Americans are risking their lives if they don't support Black Lives Matter - they're the ones whose lives can be ended with impunity. If you can stop "fighting for the cause" if you feel uncomfortable by what is being said - you have privilege. It's not your life at risk. The same with equality, LGBTAIQ+ rights, the rights of people with disabilities and on and on and on. If your life is not put at risk should you stop fighting for the cause, you have privilege, and then the fight is actually more your responsibility than the disadvantaged group's. It means you can fight the cause with less risk, and that you get benefits you shouldn't have gotten, and that means that if you do not engage in the fight, you are a moral coward*.


*People who belong to one disadvantaged group, but not others, must judge if the situation is safe to engage in the fight - as you know, Effie, there's this thing called intersectionality that interconnects these -isms. We white feminists are generally doing a piss-poor job of fighting for equality for women of color, and that's on us.

[EffieBlack]

123. Awesome post!

Thanks for laying it out so clearly and eloquently!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

113. I think the intention was to call out white privilege in an incredibly effective way.

Hat's off for doing that...

[JustAnotherGen]

67. This response

Just drives me away.

[BobTheSubgenius]

17. Please spare a moment to think of the suffering, the struggle...

...the crushing burden that rich white people are forced to carry. It's scandalous! Won't anyone think of their feelings??

[erronis]

59. Right. We're entitled to drive intoxicated and kill as many as we want

Because we're Too Rich To Fail.

Not much different than the fine USofA sending missiles, bullets, drones, whatever into innocents.

Because We Could.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

112. "Too rich to fail"... booooooom, right on the money!! Good line!!

[oberliner]

20. White folks are outraged about Flint not having water and unarmed blacks killed by cops

A white person took the video of the cops being called on black patrons at Starbucks and another white person posted said video on social media which led to it going viral.

[bettyellen]

79. Pssssst... it's sarcastic.

And maybe you have to be on Twitter to really get it, but WOW on the defensiveness here. What’s up w that?

[askyagerz]

22. Blanket issues much?

[workinclasszero]

23. K&R!

Trump called President Obama a non-citizen for 8 years. He said the KKK/Nazis/alt right have nice people.

He grabbed pu**y and moved like a bitch on other peoples spouses. You could fill a book with all the horrible things the republicans have said about Obama Mr, Mrs and kids, Hillary and Bill Clinton and daughter etc.

Trump and his ilk tried to turn BLM into a terrorist org.

As soon as Fox "news", hate radio and Bone Spurs apologizes for all their filthy sins against democrats then we can talk about anyone on the left apologizing to the hatemonger racist misogynist republicans!

[EffieBlack]

24. It's always interesting to see how long it takes for outraged whitesplaining to enter these threads

This took a little longer than normal - giving me some hope that this time it wasn't going to happen - but alas, I was too optimistic.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. Instantly almost every time

Very predictable in every way.

They will never get it.

[HipChick]

33. Exactly..

whitesplaining...

[MrScorpio]

43. You know that you didn't have to wait too long.

[JustAnotherGen]

68. Me too Effie

All they do is divide and drive me away. It's like they don't want another fighter for the cause.

Retreat Effie! Retreat!

[EffieBlack]

69. Why are they so DIVISIVE?

And where's the thanks for all that I'm doing for them?

[JustAnotherGen]

115. I can't see it

It's almost like they don't want an ally.

[joshcryer]

91. Yep.

Worst part is knowing that they're quite literally out to get you and you can't say a damn thing about it.

[EffieBlack]

94. If that is their goal, they need to step up their game

‘Cause all I see so far is pretty raggedy.

[bettyellen]

107. Raggedy zombies because Twitter is always so literal... oMG it's like

The idiots Manson tried to bait into a race war actually exist or something. Bizarro world.

[Digital Puppy]

111. Dang! These folks are something else!

I couldn't even lurk without hurting my neck shaking my head so hard....

[mcar]

125. I do not get the defensiveness, Effie

I don't get why some white people take such offense at a tweet that makes a genuine point in an effective manner. Me, I take no offense.

[BumRushDaShow]

28. Ha!

[Gothmog]

30. K&R

[tblue37]

36. THIS! + a brazillion! K&R. nt

[greatlaurel]

40. K&R

[Squinch]

42. No. This WHCD thing does not break along color lines.

[ProudLib72]

46. I am outraged at your outrage, Effie!

Can we add that to the "list" on the bottom?

[Honeycombe8]

47. This is discriminatory to white people, stating that they are only outraged about Sanders makeup. nt

[EffieBlack]

48. I suppose that some are predisposed to see discrimination, whereas others require proof.

Right?

[Honeycombe8]

52. Proof of what? You find it funny to lie about a race?

If it's you it's bad. If it's others, it's funny?

[EffieBlack]

54. I'm just applying the same skepticism to a claim of racial bias that you applied previously

But, i guess, seeing racism in the illegal arrest of black people is just in the eye of those who are "predisposed" to seeing racism, if a minority is involved, but a tweet that satirizes a very clear racial dynamic unfairly "discriminates" against - or as you bizarrely allege "lies about" - white people (notwithstanding that, as evidenced in this thread and elsewhere, a whole lot of white people themselves got it and fully agree with it), if one is "predisposed" to see it that way.

[Honeycombe8]

62. Your response made no sense & is unrelated to your OP and my response.

In your OP, you gave a list of made up things not based in fact, intentionally to slam a particular race. There is no basis in reality for the list. It's totally made up for the purpose of slamming an entire race. That is the definition of racism, which you surely know. That has nothing to do with a real situation that happened (facts), which I merely said did not, based on the known facts at the time, I was not prepared to say was racist. If you recall, you did not even know the facts at that time, since all the facts had not been reported.

Your list was a smartalec discriminatory thing, for no purpose other than to insult a race. Here is your list, in reverse.

White People Outrage:

1. The damage to the environment;
2. Wildlife disappearing at an alarming rate;
3. Climate change;
4. No inflation-adjusted rise in middle class wages in 2 decades;
5. The skyrocketing cost of a college education;
6. Huge tax cuts for the wealthy, resulting in a $1.5 Trillion Debt;
7. The lack of decent, affordable healthcare for citizens;
8. Weapons of war being out in the general public, and the lack of common sense gun control;
9. Flint water crisis continuing.

Black People Outrage:

1. Some people criticized Michelle Wolf's Correspondent's Dinner routine.

[EffieBlack]

63. I'm not going to engage in a point-by-point analysis of a satirical tweet that you clearly don't get

It's unfortunate that you feel that it "slams an entire race" or that you feel so personally insulted. The world must freak you out on a daily basis.

Given your hypersensitivity, perhaps you should just put me on Ignore.

[Honeycombe8]

64. I'm not "feeling" your list is discriminatory. It is on its face discriminatory.

Given your hypersensitivity, perhaps you should just put me on ignore. When a person's logical, reasoned response to the Starbucks situation (based on years in the legal profession of seeing final evidence showing things to be different from the first blush impression)...when logic offends you because that person won't jump on your bandwagon without all the facts being known...you're too hypersensitive to carry on a discussion...you just have an agenda that you insist everyone agree with. Perhaps you should just put me on ignore. I will never jump on a bandwagon without proof. When it's you that's being attacked, you will understand, and search for, people like that.

[moriah]

82. I'm sick of this "You are hypersensitive, you can put me on ignore" being directed at PoC on DU.

Because before you go calling a list of the recent crap PoC have experienced lately and comparing it to all the poutage over SHS's makeup or lack thereof as "discriminatory", and suggest ignore functions here be used, remember that PoC can't simply hit a button and make all the racism in their life go away.

You're highlighting your own privilege by even suggesting it.

The ignore function should not be a replacement for keeping DU a safe place for PoC.

[Sailor65x1]

85. You're kidding, right?

That poster was responding to the exact same statement made to him/her. News flash; nobody at all in the world can use a button to make problems all go away, but here on DU, shockingly, the "Ignore" function works exactly the same for everyone.

[moriah]

89. I'm aware. After seeing many say to her that if she doesn't like having her life experiences...

... dismissed as hysteria, she can just hit ignore.

Doesn't surprise me EF used the tactic back when it was actually appropriate, what sadly wasn't surprising that the person who felt so discriminated against because the other victims were black and SHS is white (if anything, more insults white people by us having to admit she shares our race) had kept digging the hole deeper.

[Bradshaw3]

128. Unfortunately your use of logic is wasted here

Statements about reason, context and not wanting to join a bandwagon will fall on deaf ears. For some on here the "enemy" is their fellow DUers. It's sad, wrong and counterproductive, but they don't care. They will not be silenced. Anyone who doesn't agree with every thing they believe must be attacked personally.

There's a reason these type of posts get so many responses. They do no good except ego gratification and, if the intent is to divide, work well.

[betsuni]

131. Many a man has wept bitterly

Because dreams and visions are
But vain imaginings and lies,
But I believe that they may truthfully
Forecast the future. And this seems
Clearly and plainly to be so ...

Statements about reason, context and
Bandwagons fall on deaf ears.
It's sad, wrong, and counterproductive,
But they don't care,
They will not be silenced.
Anyone who doesn't agree with everything they believe
Will be attacked personally.

There's a reason these types of posts get so many responses.
They do no good except for ego gratification,
And if the intent is to divide, work well.

The suns of five years have rolled past,
Since that love-filled month of May on DU
in which I dreamed this dream.
O joyful month, that draws all
Nature to happiness and pleasure;
Bush and tree put on the dress of spring
A dress of leaves that have so long in buds
Reposed, covered from the light of day,
While woods and thickets don their
Splendid coats of green.

[EffieBlack]

86. Grievance industry?

I’m sure many of us “majority stockholders” would love to hear more of your thoughts about this.

Do tell ...

[betsuni]

88. Brave warriors fighting against the tyranny of Big Grievance.

After the Revolution, there will be no racialisms!!!1111! (As for now, there are 28 days in February to be racial, don't you know...)

[NCTraveler]

129. "The grievance industry"

The transparency is sweet.

[EffieBlack]

130. Still no response? Interesting

You sure talk a good game in asides to your online buddies, but go silent when given a chance to explain yourself directly to the person you're insulting.

Why am I not surprised?

[bettyellen]

99. Are you really taking the Tweet literally? And LOL at you're list of things white people

Are outraged against. It’s nice to know you think focusing on issues is some sort of zero sum game you want your tribe to win. So much deliberate misreading. And racism refers to systemic bigotry these days- maybe you need to expand your knowledge base. Oy.

[John Fante]

139. Brilliant post. This thread (and the tweet that inspired it) belongs

in the trash.

[bettyellen]

106. I find it funny people pretending not to see sarcasm. Deliberately obtuse, it's no way

to walk this earth. But it’s a path many choose.
Reminds me of Haberman and the ashes. LOL. NopeZ

[Red Mountain]

49. Without qualifiers

it's at face value obnoxious as hell.

Such as 'Almost all black folk outrage'

and

'Some white folk outrage'

or

'Trump voter outrage'



Divisive post.

Why?

[EffieBlack]

56. Thank you for the whitesplaining - i mean "edits"

Because, without your "qualifiers," people might believe that every single black person in America is outraged about the same things and every single white person in America is not outraged about any of those things but IS outraged by a criticism of Sarah Sanders' eyeshadow.

Thank you SO much for helping me figure out how someone else should word his tweet so that no one would think that he or I think that every single black person thinks the same and every single white person thinks the same (and I assume that, until he does, I should not, under any circumstance, share it with anyone because that might be "divisive."

Speaking of "divisive," please explain exactly what is "divisive" about this OP?

[ck4829]

50. K&R

[Scurrilous]

53. K&R

[EffieBlack]

57. Because

Link to tweet

[Atticus]

58. Just had to go check my melanin content. I'm still Caucasian, but the first four items

totally piss me off and the last one means nothing to me. Maybe conscience is color blind?

[EffieBlack]

60. NYT: "She Died After Collapsing on a Plane the Pilot Refused to Divert"

Brittany Oswell suddenly felt ill about three hours into her flight from Hawaii to Texas. She was dizzy, disoriented and slurring her speech. Then she briefly fainted.

A flight attendant on the American Airlines flight in April 2016 tracked down a doctor on board who examined her. She may have had a panic attack, the doctor said. But it soon became clear her condition was far worse.

About an hour later, Ms. Oswell, 25, collapsed in a lavatory, defecated and vomited on herself, and threw up on flight attendants who had come to check on her. The doctor returned and this time issued an urgent request to the flight crew: The pilot must land the plane immediately.

The frenzied efforts by her husband and the doctor to save Ms. Oswell, who died three days later in a hospital of a pulmonary embolism, were detailed in a wrongful-death lawsuit filed this month by her family against American Airlines. The lawsuit alleges that the airline was negligent and ultimately contributed to her death because the pilot did not heed the doctor’s pleas to divert the plane and an onboard defibrillator and blood pressure monitor were faulty.
...
At that point in the flight, the lawsuit says, the plane was over New Mexico, with about two hours remaining in the flight. Her parents argued on Friday that the plane should have diverted to Albuquerque.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/travel/american-airlines-brittany-oswell-death.html

[Atticus]

120. Yes, I had already read about that ignorance. My post meant that it

was Sanders' smoky eye that meant nothing to me.

I understand that you were posting what someone else said and I think I understand---as much as a white guy can----where the author and you are coming from. I just thought it was overbroad, a concept I expect you are all too familiar with.

I do respect your views and think your posts are always worth reading and considering.

[George II]

61. That about sums it up. Where are the pleas for racial equality? As they say, "crickets"!

[IluvPitties]

71. Sadly true.

[ismnotwasm]

74. K&R

Ignore the white tears...We either get it or we just aren’t trying to get it.

[EffieBlack]

75. Or get it but have another agenda.

[brer cat]

119. There you go!

That explains a lot of this thread. I loved the tweet.

[bettyellen]

78. What's the fly over the headcount so far? HA HA

All of a sudden people don’t get sarcasm?

[EffieBlack]

81. LOL

But but he said “WHITE FOLK!

That’s RACIST!

[betsuni]

84. My favorite is, "It's getting a bit too racial in here"

[EffieBlack]

87. And, of course: You are being divisive.

[bettyellen]

95. At least they didn't say *up in here*. Oy vey. Embarrassed for a few people.

[oberliner]

90. Do you see anything problematic about this tweet?

[EffieBlack]

92. No.

But I’m sure you do and will no doubt share your thoughts with us.

[oberliner]

96. It seems potentially problematic, but I am trying to think it through a bit more

The racial component of the Michelle Wolf reaction from some is not something I had considered carefully.

[bettyellen]

93. On what planet is this a serious analysis and not sarcasm?

Have you ever been on Twitter? If not, why not spend some time there- and read responses. You seem to really really need some context.

[oberliner]

97. What do you think the message of the tweet is?

I confess that I may be missing the point of what that person is trying to communicate.

[bettyellen]

98. it's about some serious problems that are ignored way too much by Americans who'd rather blabber on

About Sara and that bullshit. It’s sarcastic- do you get that? You seem to think the Tweeter is being literal- and it’s kind of shocking anyone would interpret it that way.

[oberliner]

100. You are leaving out any reference to race in your explanation of the meaning of the tweet

Do you not think the tweet is making any point with respect to race at all?

[moriah]

101. That when horrible shit happens to black people, crickets and "you're being racial".

A white woman is subjected to a joke about her makeup, and the world explodes.

[bettyellen]

102. Are you claiming not to understand it's sarcasm? I've asked twice.

[oberliner]

104. I am claiming that it seems to be making a point about race (perhaps using sarcasm to do so)

Do you not think the tweet is meant to be making any point about race?

[bettyellen]

105. Since you refuse to answer in good faith, I am done here.

The whole premise of the “issues” some people have here are predicated on ignoring the sarcasm that’s the B and B of Twitter. It’s not a good faith discussion- and I don’t fuck with deliberately obtuse conversations.

[oberliner]

117. Huh?

I just answered that perhaps sarcasm was used - but I am not sure.

I am curious to understand whether or not you think any comment was being made by the tweet with respect to race.

Your explanation of what you thought the tweet's meaning was excluded any mention of that topic.

[betsuni]

122. So you are not sure what sarcasm means?

It involves exaggeration, that's what makes it funny.

[bettyellen]

132. You think everyone here might be wrong about it being a sarcastic comment?

I have a good idea why this might be sticking in your craw, but I’m not going to speculate about it.
I can’t be bothered with people who play dumb for LOLz which is exactly what you are doing. You’re not worth the time.

[EffieBlack]

135. Pattern and practice

[bettyellen]

136. It's always been about putting people in their place. And they gotta get over it.

I got a FB on from someone who read a couple of calm, rational responses I had to someone who was literally flooding the board w venom towards Joy Reid. They don’t understand why she would ever be forgiven or that she (and other straight people) could change their thinking. This is someone who is solidly anti-war. They were in the Navy. I guess I’m supposed to hate him for that? I don’t know but it was a solid rant w sexist crap and a fuck you and...... I’m the “bully”?!? Sure, Jan. Women are really not entitled to express opinions becasue dudes hear it as scolding.
Whatever.

[betsuni]

121. The point: Huckabee Sanders/Trump/Republican apologists are obviously majority white.

This is called a generalization. Please look up the meaning of this word.

[John Fante]

142. The tweet isn't calling out Trump supporters, it's calling out whites in general.

The tens of millions of whites who voted for HRC (and despise this administration) will be shocked to find out that they're outraged over the jokes directed at SHS.

[bettyellen]

146. The context is outrage on Twitter. And you know that.

[betsuni]

147. Remember that old blog, Stuff White People Like?

Stuff white people like: camping, frisbee, farmers markets, NPR tote bags, thinking their children are gifted, telling poor people to eat lentils, getting graduate degrees they don't use, yoga, being offended, etc. In every comments section after one of these posts are white people outraged because "Well, I'm white and I don't wear bad Christmas sweaters ironically!" or "You're wrong, I'm white and I don't like Ranch dressing!"

Get it?

[EffieBlack]

148. Which makes it even funnier

If you want to hear some REALLY funny comparisons, listen to a Richard Pryor record:

"White people buy {concert} tickets six, seven months in advance. Black people show up 15 minutes after the show started and want to argue. 'Whatchoo MEAN I can't get in?! I'm DRESSED, mutherf#ck#r!'"

[GaryCnf]

114. This is funny s**t

The replies are even better.

I think a some of the folks who are calling this divisive are ignoring the fact that a cop standing on the hood of your car and blasting away through your windshield (and getting away,with it) and having the cops called on you for golfing while black are two points on a continuum, not separate incidents. By ignoring, or excusing, the former (e.g., "Brown was the aggressor," "Bland cussed the cop," "Selling untaxed cigarettes is a crime" and other assorted drivel), they trivialize the whole of racial oppression as us getting kicked off of golf courses. All of a sudden racism turns into nothing more than just not being nice to each other and the solution becomes a big group hug (SHS included).

It's not and it isn't.

[Croney]

118. Good grief, if the labels annoy you,

Change them to:

Democratic vs Republican outrage.

There. You're still not getting the poignancy of the OP, but at least you're in with the in-group.

** sarcasm **

[still_one]

126. National Brother Week

[mokawanis]

134. I knew this thread would be lively!

[sheshe2]

149. Sorry I was late to the party.

Oh my, such outrage.

K&R



Thanks, Effie.

[sheshe2]

150. Another K&R

Just to push it to 150.....

[Me.]

151. K&R

Any comments I might make would be superfluous as the important words have already been said.

[GaryCnf]

152. This needs to stay active

K&R