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MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:55 AM May 2018

My 15 y/o grandson is studying colonialism in Africa.

An amazing, but horrifying, book I read years ago is King Leopold's Ghost. I'm a little worried it might be too intense and graphic about the torture that occurred against indigenous people in the Congo. But his class seems to be delving deep into the issue, so I'm thinking it would be ok to give him this book. Thoughts?

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My 15 y/o grandson is studying colonialism in Africa. (Original Post) MoonRiver May 2018 OP
Only his parents truly know what he's likely ready for Blue_Adept May 2018 #1
Yes, I plan to mention it to them. MoonRiver May 2018 #3
Yes agree. But in general when I think back to what I was exposed to early WITH the opportunity to hlthe2b May 2018 #5
I agree complete Blue_Adept May 2018 #7
Indeed. This is the parent's ultimate decision. hlthe2b May 2018 #9
I like the fact that my parents never intervened IluvPitties May 2018 #12
is it intervening in school's curriculum or complementing it? hlthe2b May 2018 #14
Fantastic! IluvPitties May 2018 #2
I agree! MoonRiver May 2018 #4
I'm not sure any accurate book about Coloniasm in Africa is going to be an undisturbing read el_bryanto May 2018 #6
Very true, and that is what he told me. MoonRiver May 2018 #8
Where is his school? Amazed some haven't attacked the course as 'unAmerican', ie bobbieinok May 2018 #10
Everyone is different, but by the time I was 15, MineralMan May 2018 #11
If he reads science fiction, you might push Nisi Shawl's Everfair at him catrose May 2018 #13
Give him and let him read three others malaise May 2018 #15
Thanks malaise! MoonRiver May 2018 #16
excellent book! Javaman May 2018 #17
The tough thing about groups of fifteen year olds. NCTraveler May 2018 #18
Talk to the teacher JustABozoOnThisBus May 2018 #19
Will definitely be a shocker. Are you ready for a kid who knows the worst of humanity at 15? applegrove May 2018 #20
The Belgian colonists were the worst IronLionZion May 2018 #21

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
1. Only his parents truly know what he's likely ready for
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:58 AM
May 2018

And they should be asked anyway.

That said, teenagers should be exposed to the more difficult things in history to begin with in order to understand the past and what happened.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
3. Yes, I plan to mention it to them.
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:02 AM
May 2018

But they are very liberal and have never hidden reality, in age appropriate ways, from their sons. The "baby" is 10, and he's made it clear he doesn't want to hear or see scary things. This older one wanted to talk with me about African colonialism and seems very interested in learning more.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
5. Yes agree. But in general when I think back to what I was exposed to early WITH the opportunity to
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:05 AM
May 2018

discuss with parents and other adults, it prepared me for all the difficult issues to come.

Teens need to understand the world and they can't do so if not exposed to it and that includes tragic history.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
7. I agree complete
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:06 AM
May 2018

That said, I would not want my parents doing that with my kids without asking first - and made that clear to them. It's all about proper respect of the parenting process - something they themselves would have wanted in the same situation.

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
12. I like the fact that my parents never intervened
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:27 AM
May 2018

with my school's curriculum. I was exposed to a lot of things without having to worry about what my parents thought. I made up my own mind.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
6. I'm not sure any accurate book about Coloniasm in Africa is going to be an undisturbing read
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:05 AM
May 2018

In fact that's the sort of history that should disturb you.

Bryant

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
10. Where is his school? Amazed some haven't attacked the course as 'unAmerican', ie
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:17 AM
May 2018

antislavery, aka antiTrump

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
11. Everyone is different, but by the time I was 15,
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:23 AM
May 2018

my parents had stopped bothering about what books I read.

catrose

(5,065 posts)
13. If he reads science fiction, you might push Nisi Shawl's Everfair at him
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:55 AM
May 2018

It's a steampunk, alternative history of Africa under King Leopold. She thankfully spares us the most graphic parts, but you definitely get the idea of what's going on. It might be a gentler introduction.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
15. Give him and let him read three others
Wed May 2, 2018, 10:06 AM
May 2018

Walter Rodney - How Europe Underdeveloped Africa
Eric Williams Capitalism and Slavery and a novel
Joseph Conrad Heart of Darkness

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
16. Thanks malaise!
Wed May 2, 2018, 10:24 AM
May 2018

I read Heart of Darkness, but may get the other two for myself, and pass them on to him.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
19. Talk to the teacher
Wed May 2, 2018, 03:18 PM
May 2018

If the class is exploring these issues, then the book should be appropriate. And, if the class is exploring these issues, your decision to give or not give the book is moot, so may as well give the book.

But, if you give the book, be prepared for some interesting dinner-table discussions.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
21. The Belgian colonists were the worst
Wed May 2, 2018, 03:55 PM
May 2018

And they made out like bandits. More people need to study what really happened there. I wish they had taught it better in school but I mainly learned that they made tons of profit from the natural resources and nothing about the horrifying atrocities against human beings.

King Leopold essentially took over that land for himself as a private venture without his country's government support.

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