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Wow - Kellyanne's Husband - Suggests Cohen Broke The Law & So Did Potus (Original Post) kpete May 2018 OP
How long before this tweet is deleted? Gothmog May 2018 #1
How long before the marriage is dissolved in court. olegramps May 2018 #26
Can you imagine living with a woman who constantly lies? n/t rzemanfl May 2018 #2
Works for James Carville. Funtatlaguy May 2018 #4
Good point. n/t rzemanfl May 2018 #5
Excellent point!! Suprk May 2018 #7
. Guy Whitey Corngood May 2018 #16
I never could understand Carville and Matalan TexasBushwhacker May 2018 #23
Dude is passive aggressive. gibraltar72 May 2018 #3
He is as bad as she is. His reasons for these tweets JI7 May 2018 #6
Nope mercuryblues May 2018 #8
Clear as day it was a crime Johnny2X2X May 2018 #9
Most campaign finance violations get a slap on the wrist and a correction to the report bigbrother05 May 2018 #11
Jessie Jackson Jr. Johnny2X2X May 2018 #12
While I genuinely hope you are right and not the poster to whom you replied, PatrickforO May 2018 #14
Most politicians do not get criminal charges against them for campaign violations karynnj May 2018 #20
Was the payment listed as personal or business when reported to the IRS as an expense, Sophia4 May 2018 #24
Great questions karynnj May 2018 #27
So Sorry,,,, Cryptoad May 2018 #10
I have a friend whose opinion I am inclined to take seriously. PatrickforO May 2018 #13
Yes, and Trump will resign if the DOJ agrees not Funtatlaguy May 2018 #18
That's what I've been thinking. PatrickforO May 2018 #19
OFFS Cosmocat May 2018 #21
And to win in 2020, Democrats need to be united. ????????? Sophia4 May 2018 #25
Depending on the FEC? duforsure May 2018 #15
Kellyanne obviously does not pay her husband "hush money" jpak May 2018 #17
George Conway was deeply involved in the government's case against Clinton.... George II May 2018 #22

TexasBushwhacker

(20,183 posts)
23. I never could understand Carville and Matalan
Thu May 3, 2018, 11:10 AM
May 2018

I figure their sexual chemistry must be a 10. That's hard to walk away from.

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
8. Nope
Thu May 3, 2018, 09:06 AM
May 2018

This is pushing the meme that is only a campaign violation. Pay a fine and move on. We are on step 5.

step 1. deny about what they did

step 2. lie about it

step 3. deflect. others did it too. What about Clinton?

Step 4. lie again

Step 5 admit and say it wasn't illegal

step 6. lather rinse and repeat.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
9. Clear as day it was a crime
Thu May 3, 2018, 09:16 AM
May 2018

This was a crime. I am not surprised that Guliani and/or Trump admitted to it as they probably don't have anyone working for them familiar with campaign finance law. I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
11. Most campaign finance violations get a slap on the wrist and a correction to the report
Thu May 3, 2018, 09:30 AM
May 2018

They are hoping to use the "We're new to this political stuff and just overlooked it" dodge. They think $130K is minor and hope no one looks too hard at the laundered millions that came in from the Russian via the RNC & NRA.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
12. Jessie Jackson Jr.
Thu May 3, 2018, 09:33 AM
May 2018

Jessie Jackson Jr. did hard time for campaign finance violations.

This is not something that usually gets a slap on the wrist. $130K in illegal campaign contributions is not a small crime, politicians go to jail every year for much less.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
14. While I genuinely hope you are right and not the poster to whom you replied,
Thu May 3, 2018, 09:42 AM
May 2018

I'd remind you that racism without doubt played a part in Jackson Jr's treatment. Had he been white, one can only look at white candidates who have been caught with campaign finance violations and see what has happened to them.

My bet is they were treated less harshly.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
20. Most politicians do not get criminal charges against them for campaign violations
Thu May 3, 2018, 10:13 AM
May 2018

because the accusation is that their campaign accepted more than the per person limit or money from people not allowed to contribute. However, all money was spent on valid campaign uses. This happens in almost any large campaign - even if the campaign has best practices to prevent it. In the past, it sometimes even happened when the RNC or DNC coordinated large contributions to Senate and House campaigns.

What happened in the Jesse Jackson Jr case was money was spent on personal uses. Consider here, that the contributions were both too large and for something personal, not a valid campaign expense.

I suspect that what Guiliani was doing was to state that Trump ultimately paid this, making the President a liar, but meaning this was NOT an illegal campaign contribution. Labelling the President a liar is not something subordinates usually do, but consider that lying to the media is not a crime, where if it were unreimbursed it could be. (Here, the closest case I know of was the money given to John Edwards to help him with his mistress, where he was not sent to jail.)

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
24. Was the payment listed as personal or business when reported to the IRS as an expense,
Thu May 3, 2018, 11:15 AM
May 2018

if it was reported as an expense. If it wasn't reported as a business expense, then it was personal or was it part of campaign expenses?

If it was personal, from what account did Trump pay the law firm that paid Cohen? Where did the money ultimately come from?

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
27. Great questions
Thu May 3, 2018, 11:47 AM
May 2018

It might get to Trump/Trump organization/Trump campaign being treated as the same thing -- which they aren't. Unless it was Trump's personal money, it would seem to be illegal.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
13. I have a friend whose opinion I am inclined to take seriously.
Thu May 3, 2018, 09:39 AM
May 2018

He believes that they won't get Trump on treason even if it does now seem obvious the cheetoh is a traitor.

Rather, he says they will get him on trying to cover up these hush money payments, which were probably made illegally. In his words, "They'll bring Trump down on the sex thing."

A fitting end for an avowed 'pussy grabber' don't you think?

In fact, the image of Trump being led from the WH in cuffs is quite appealing...

Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
18. Yes, and Trump will resign if the DOJ agrees not
Thu May 3, 2018, 09:56 AM
May 2018

to release any details from Muellers report about him or his family members.
Pence will be saved and he will pardon Trump just as Ford did Nixon for “the good of the nation”.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
19. That's what I've been thinking.
Thu May 3, 2018, 09:58 AM
May 2018

Everyone keeps talking about how presidents can't pardon people for state crimes, though, so we'll have to see if that throws a monkey wrench in the plan.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
21. OFFS
Thu May 3, 2018, 10:28 AM
May 2018

H E I S N O T R E S I G N I N G.

People have been singing this song since he came down the escalator, he isn't serious, it is just a publicity stunt, he was going to drop out going into the convention, he was going to drop out going into the general, he was going to step down after he got elected ...

People need to wrap their heads around the reality he is much more likely to have a second term than not see out this one. The ONLY way we get rid of him for sure will be the epic battle in 2020. AND, the only way he will face any criminal justice will be when he is out of office, and even at that might need democratic control of POTUS and congress to ensure the fuckwits don't step in somehow.

Final note - this thing that he will walk away with the assurance Pence will pardon him defies ANYTHING he has done, and any prior people like him.

NO meglomaniac cedes power and leaves his fate to another man ...

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
25. And to win in 2020, Democrats need to be united. ?????????
Thu May 3, 2018, 11:20 AM
May 2018

That's the big question. Will Democrats be united enough in 2020 to win the presidential election? Because if we are, Trump doesn't have a chance.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
15. Depending on the FEC?
Thu May 3, 2018, 09:46 AM
May 2018

They've shown nothing but allowing others to do as they please with little or no consequences, so expecting them to do anything is a waste of time, because with pressure on them they won't do anything. Another reason the American people will greatly reject any Republicans running in Nov.. This will also help turn both the House and the Senate over to the Democrats to control, and renew investigations the GOP refused to do.

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. George Conway was deeply involved in the government's case against Clinton....
Thu May 3, 2018, 10:31 AM
May 2018

....during the impeachment process.

He of all people is fully versed with stuff like this and "high crimes and misdemeanors"!

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