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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
Thu May 3, 2018, 01:13 PM May 2018

Would we be where are right now if Stormy Daniels hadn't come forward in March?

Surely, this would have come out eventually, but would it be coming out this quickly had Daniels and Avenatti not been pushing this hard the last two months?

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Would we be where are right now if Stormy Daniels hadn't come forward in March? (Original Post) EffieBlack May 2018 OP
I would be sitting in front of my computer Sherman A1 May 2018 #1
I liken it to a third front that keeps pressure on....Mueller, NY, Avenatti dameatball May 2018 #2
Yes jberryhill May 2018 #3
I didn't ask if this would happen. And I didn't suggest they caused the investigation EffieBlack May 2018 #6
I don't see why they wouldn't be moving this quickly jberryhill May 2018 #9
It certainly didn't hurt. n/t janx May 2018 #4
Trump needs his own Avenatti, but fortunately he's got Rudy.. HipChick May 2018 #5
Rudy thinks he IS Trump's Avennati. But he's actually the other Michael. EffieBlack May 2018 #7
I would not want Avenatti on my tail.. HipChick May 2018 #8
Got a PHD Corgigal May 2018 #11
And Al Franken burning Jeffie Sessions to the ground. Wellstone ruled May 2018 #10
It certainly has added some zesty green chile... Dave Starsky May 2018 #12

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. I would be sitting in front of my computer
Thu May 3, 2018, 01:16 PM
May 2018

just like I am now.

The Stormy Daniels thing is occasionally entertaining, but I do not suspect it will lead to much of anything.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. Yes
Thu May 3, 2018, 01:21 PM
May 2018

The investigation of Cohen culminating in the 9 April warrant was premised on an investigation which had been going on for "months" by the USAO-SDNY. It is likely a much broader investigation than the Daniels transaction.

The WSJ article about the payment was published 12 January.

Cohen had made his statement about paying the 130k on 14 February:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/politics/michael-cohen-payment-analysis/index.html

Cohen then proceeded to arbitration in late February (I believe it was 22 February, without looking up the Daniels complaint).

After Cohen obtained the arbitration award, Daniels filed her suit on 12 March.

Had Cohen not done that, then the suit to rescind the contract wouldn't have been brought anyway.

So, in what way was the USAO-SDNY investigation for "months", culminating in the 9 April search, premised on Daniels having filed suit on 12 March?

I'm a little slow, so maybe someone else can piece together a chain of cause and effect that ties one to the other.

The sun was going to come up, whether the rooster crowed or not.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
6. I didn't ask if this would happen. And I didn't suggest they caused the investigation
Thu May 3, 2018, 01:27 PM
May 2018

I asked if things would be moving this quickly.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. I don't see why they wouldn't be moving this quickly
Thu May 3, 2018, 01:49 PM
May 2018

Perhaps it depends on what one means by "things".

They were floating conflicting stories about the Daniels payment even before the Cohen arbitration. Again, the payment was well known, and the conflicting stories were well known, when Common Cause filed the January 22 complaints: https://www.commoncause.org/media/feccomplaintstormydaniels/

As late as January 30, in view of Cohen's threat to enforce the agreement, Daniels had signed the denial.

I doubt the Daniels civil suit had any impact on the timing or substance of the 9 April Cohen warrant, issued pursuant to a months-long investigation. So that would have happened when it happened anyway. The pending indictment is a matter of waiting for the special master to do a first sort through the evidence, so that the investigative team can frame the counts.

What really precipitated this thread in the twisted skein of events was the 2011 InTouch interview. The scotched interview had resurfaced as early as October 2016, which was why there was renewed interest in getting Daniels into a hush agreement in the first place. The only problem was that enough people were aware of the contents of the 2011 InTouch interview, so that when reporters attempted to follow up on that by contacting Daniels, it became apparent that there was a reason she wasn't talking about it. At that time, the picture of the two of them at the Tahoe event was a "thing" primarily because the friend of Daniels whom they invited to the hotel room was telling at least her story of, yes, the two of them were in the room and inviting her up.

But the wheels were in motion even during the period of time that Daniels was still refusing to talk about it, and I don't see how the pace of events in the SDNY would have been any different. It's not as if, beyond having received the payment, Daniels would have had any idea of how the money got to Davidson's IOLTA account, who sent it, or who paid who for having sent it.

I believe we'll know a LOT more when the Cohen indictment is drafted, but the other hold up on that would be if Cohen is already or begins to cooperate.

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