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LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
Thu May 3, 2018, 05:42 PM May 2018

Media Ignores Two Black Men Lynched in Oklahoma by White Men

Newsone.com: Two Young Black Men Lynched In Oklahoma By Four Whites And It’s Getting No Media Attention. Yes, it still happens!!!

When people talk about modern lynchings, R. Kelly and Bill Cosby are not legitimate examples. Ramon Smith and Jarron Moreland, both 21, are two men who were lynched in 2018. On April 18, police found the dismembered bodies of the young men in a pond outside of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Three white men and one white woman have been arrested for the crime.

According to WJLA.com, “Police arrested 22-year-old Kevin Garcia-Boettler, 43-year-old Johnny Shane Barker and the 16-year-old brother of Garcia-Boettler, who police say is the suspected shooter. Their mother, Crystal Rachelle Boettler, 40, has also been charged with accessory after the fact.” According to court records, “on April 14, Garcia-Boettler drove his brother to meet the two victims because he believed his brother was going to purchase a gun from Moreland. The sale was arranged through Craigslist and the two parties agreed to meet in a nearby grocery store parking lot. Garcia-Boettler told police that Moreland got out of a sedan and into the back seat of his van. He claims that he heard a gun “rack” and told police he witnessed his brother open fire killing the two men.”

Sgt. Jeremy Lewis of the Moore Police Department said, “When [Moreland and Smith] entered the vehicle, the white men said they heard a gun being racked. So one of them fired four rounds.” Meaning, when the white men heard the sounds of the gun being “racked,” they thought Ramon and Jarron were about to shoot so they shot them. Sounds implausible that you would instantly and shoot and kill two people because of the sound of a gun being racked.

Kevin Garcia-Boettler, the 22-year-old, told police that he and his brother took the dead bodies to Barker who helped them “dispose of the bodies” and clean the van. They tied cinder blocks to the bodies so they would sink in the pond. In addition, “He told police they removed both victims’ clothing and burned them in a barrel before dumping them in the water.”



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Media Ignores Two Black Men Lynched in Oklahoma by White Men (Original Post) LongTomH May 2018 OP
Plus their Mama and Step daddy helped JustAnotherGen May 2018 #1
No words... 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #2
I know when I kill people in a fully justified situation, I always drop the bodies in a local pond mythology May 2018 #3
This looks more like a young punk killing two guys and the family covering it up. joshcryer May 2018 #4
Joe Madison talked about this BumRushDaShow May 2018 #5
From media reports in the state sounds like a gun deal gone wrong Bradshaw3 May 2018 #6
No 'lynching', but gun deal gone wrong. left-of-center2012 May 2018 #7
The common definition of "lynching" has been the one used by the NAACP, namely, struggle4progress May 2018 #8

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
1. Plus their Mama and Step daddy helped
Thu May 3, 2018, 05:46 PM
May 2018

This is what ugly assed racists call 'quality family time' I guess?



I'm more angry at the monsters than I am the media.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
3. I know when I kill people in a fully justified situation, I always drop the bodies in a local pond
Thu May 3, 2018, 05:48 PM
May 2018

Oh and take the time to dismember them. Story clearly checks out.

BumRushDaShow

(128,845 posts)
5. Joe Madison talked about this
Thu May 3, 2018, 05:51 PM
May 2018

or actually, ranted about it, this morning. And he read a portion of this article on the air. It was basically in relation to the recent opening of the Lynching Memorial and Museum in Montgomery, AL and was part of his demand that Congress pass a federal "anti-lynching" law (no such thing exists at this time).

Bradshaw3

(7,513 posts)
6. From media reports in the state sounds like a gun deal gone wrong
Thu May 3, 2018, 06:56 PM
May 2018
http://kfor.com/2018/04/26/four-charged-in-connection-to-double-murder-bodies-found-dismembered-in-okc-pond/

From what I've read it was some sick family members who did the killing and then tried to cover it up. It wasn't a mob doing an extra-judicial killing. Whether it is race-based is still not clear. To call it a lynching at this point is hyperbolic.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
7. No 'lynching', but gun deal gone wrong.
Thu May 3, 2018, 07:30 PM
May 2018

"he witnessed his brother open fire killing the two men.”

Any/all murders are bad,
but using the word 'lynching' is only meant to inflame an already sad situation.

struggle4progress

(118,278 posts)
8. The common definition of "lynching" has been the one used by the NAACP, namely,
Thu May 3, 2018, 08:11 PM
May 2018
a person .. met his death illegally at the hands of a group acting under the pretext of service to justice, race, or tradition

This seems to be rather like the notion used by the conference "Toward an International History of Lynching" at Heidelberg University in 2010, where the opening speaker proposed to define lynching as extralegal punishment perpetrated by mobs claiming to represent the will of the larger community

Ida Wells essay “Lynch Law in America” (1900) says somewhat the same: for her, it is the cool, calculating deliberation of intelligent people who openly avow that there is an "unwritten law" that justifies them in putting human beings to death without complaint under oath, without trial by jury, without opportunity to make defense, and without right of appeal

It is not clear that the present case constitutes a "lynching," if we use the word in this common sense. The claim made by the killers is that they had intended to engage in a private gunsale, had become frightened and opened fire, then attempted a cover-up. We do not know just how much of that account is true, of course. Perhaps robbery, or even unmotivated murder, was the original intent; and it is certainly easy to believe that racism played an important role. But the lynchings that occurred frequently in this country into the early twentieth century were often carefully premediated, widely publicized, and terrifying spectacles:

Smartly dressed, with his walking cane in hand, W.E.B. Du Bois left his home in Atlanta on April 24, 1899, and began walking downtown along Mitchell Street. He was carrying a letter of introduction to Joel Chandler Harris ... Du Bois rarely left the university to go into downtown Atlanta because he refused to ride the city's segregated streetcars. But a sensational rape and murder in rural Georgia .. had caused an uproar, and a black farmhand .. had been lynched. Du Bois had studied .. lynching ... "It occurred to me," he said later, "that I might go down to the Atlanta Constitution and talk with Joel Chandler Harris, and try to put before the South what happened in cases of this sort, and try to see if I couldn't start some sort of movement" ... Before W.E.B. Du Bois could reach the Constitution office to discuss the Sam Hose lynching with Joel Chandler Harris, he learned that Hose had been "barbecued" and that his knuckles were for sale in a grocer's window a few blocks ahead on the very street he was walking. Du Bois would allude to the moment numerous times during his long life as the shock that "pulled me off my feet." He stopped and slowly reversed his steps back toward the university ...
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