I see Wypipo ...

[EffieBlack]

all up on DU!

[uppityperson]

8. There are no mods who remove posts. Juries might, but there are no moderators doing so

anymore. Someone alerts, it goes to a jury. If a majority believe it breaks the rum and vote to hide it, it's hidden.

Click on the "about" link at the bottom of ever page on du for more info. Here's a direct link to the community moderating system page also. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=modsystem

[IluvPitties]

2. I see how stupid it is.

[ismnotwasm]

3. Right???

DU is white AF, and not the friendliest place for people of color in the first place when it comes to discussion and here we are having the great Wypipo meltdown

[IluvPitties]

7. We don't need division in between ourselves.

Progressive people need to stand together against the greatest threat to our society, which is take over of DC by open and militant white supremacists. Everyone here who fights against that is my ideological sibling, and I don't think is productive to celebrate a term that intents to marginalize and ridicule. I am black and I found the term stereotypical and stupid.

[hlthe2b]

9. Why did you delete your own post, IluvPitties?

If you don't mind my asking....? I thought it an important issue.

[IluvPitties]

14. Don't want to contribute to division us about minor issues.

[ismnotwasm]

20. Ok

Allow me to try and explain my point of view. I was raised by racist people. I was around nothing but white people for all my early years.(My Dad who was what used to be called a “garbage man” was a Big redhead Swede who worked at the time, with predominantly black men, insisted the first time I “saw” a black person I hid behind his leg). My Dad would use racial epithets and insist he wasn’t racist. My Mom made me cry telling me I was going to go to school with “jigaboos”. I am white. I know white People very, very well. I know the racism of white people very well but I’ve also taken classes in American ethnicity. I see the malignant stucture of white supremacy that our entire country is based on, and I understand that MY people? I guess? white people, usually do the absolute minimum to fight internalized racism. I see the term as a gentle poking at this structure, and I also think it’s hits the mark very well, given the response.

It’s very stupid, but too me, that’s that point—it’s not a horrible term that white People are going to shudder inside over, or try to protect their children from, or even try to “own”, it’s kinda dumb and fairly silly, but also on the mark, when it comes to unreliable allyship, and the peculiar blindness we as white People have. This word isn’t going to divide anything that isn’t already divided. It will expose a few racists, it will offend a few well meaning folks, but more importantly it will it spark conversations that need to be held.

Most white people will never hear the term or care about it they do. We don’t have to care.

[EffieBlack]

26. This is beautifully stated

You should turn it into an OP.

[ismnotwasm]

31. Thank you!

Maybe I will.

[mountain grammy]

38. What you said,

And you said it so well.

[kentuck]

68. Sometimes I wonder if we have made any progress at all?

Through all the sacrifice, including loss of life, have we accomplished anything? Are we going forward or backward? Unless we are willing to admit that black and white and brown and pink are all colors and that we are all people of color and all equal in the eyes of our Maker, although we all may judge people sometimes, there is only one Judge that will judge us all.

Peace

[Danascot]

56. I agree. We have to put aside our differences and stand together at all costs

Need an example? If it wasn't for the votes of black women and men we would have Senator Ray Moore from Alabama instead of Doug Jones, and one less senator in the D column. If it was left up to white people, Ray Moore would be a senator.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/12/13/twitter-thanks-blackwomen-voting-democrat-doug-jones-alabama-senate-election/947403001/

[BumRushDaShow]

4. You are just wrong.

[nolabear]

5. LOL! Oh Lord...you know, this all makes me sad.

You can't have grown up in Mississippi, even as a weirdo liberal, without knowing you've been influenced by some hard to live with things. On top of it all I'm trained as a psychoanalyst and know there are things we acquire long before we have conscious awareness of it or later memories of it.

All that leads to shame and shame leads to anger. Some of the bravest people I have ever known manage to cop to everything they are aware of and admit there's a lot they are not. And they are trying hard to overcome the shame so they (and by they I mean we) can enjoy a fuller, richer life while advocating for everyone else who can't.

My own efforts are eternally flawed but I try every day, and I have a lot of self respect for that.

[OxQQme]

45. nolabear, my grampa said, "that was the platform

that was built for the new "me" by those of us aware of your arrival. It was started before your first breath."
And, "You become who you hang out with."
And, "It's all your choice."

my grampa....one of the heroes in my physical time here in this realm.

[Iggo]

6. LOL.

No shit.

[oberliner]

10. Have you read anything else by Michael Harriot?

Such as: "It’s Official: White Allies Are the Worst Wypipo in the World"

Or: "Why I Could Never Vote for Hillary Clinton"

I mean it seems like almost everything else this person has written is divisive, to say the least.

[EffieBlack]

12. How is it "racially divisive?"

As I asked someone else ...

Please be specific and tell us exactly how anything that Harriot has written or said in any way affects your view of or relationship with anyone of color or changes your support for equality and equal opportunity?

[Bok_Tukalo]

17. He makes it difficult to bring potato dishes to friends

Just because it has a potato in it doesn’t make it Potato Salad. Not all dishes with tomatoes are salsa.

[EffieBlack]

18. Be careful who you ask to bring the potato salad.

[Bok_Tukalo]

19. See?

It’s called an Olivye Salad. And regardless of what the King of Wakanda says, the peas are necessary.

[ehrnst]

60. But raisins are not. (nt)

[Bok_Tukalo]

61. He was confused. Those weren't potatoes; they were apples. It was a Waldorf Salad.

But yeah, the raisins were unnecessary.

[ehrnst]

62. Indeed. (nt)

[Bok_Tukalo]

13. I have read his stuff for a long time.

I read theroot daily.

His Friday “Clapback” is the most entertaining.

[NightWatcher]

15. And it's having the desired effect in here.

Everyone grab your weapon of choice and report to the Circular Firing Squad and begin the self destruction.

Meanwhile, trump....corruption... voting rights ...actual issues....

[ismnotwasm]

21. Oh it's relevant

94% of Black women who voted voted for Hillary Clinton, and not necessarily, from all I’ve read, out of love for her, 52% of White women who voted voted for Trump.

We (White folks) have a definite problem.

[EffieBlack]

24. "Wypipo" includes white women who voted for Trump or defend white women who voted for him

and lecture black women that they shouldn't criticize white women who voted for Trump because that's "divisive."

[ismnotwasm]

25. Exactly!

[BumRushDaShow]

23. So discussion of how people view each other (and why) is not an "issue"?

Because really, it just shows we are not on the same page. And to be strong and forge ahead like a herd of bulls, you need to be on the same page.

You mention "voting rights" but that "issue" directly impacts a certain race of voter (regardless of gender or gender identity) vs another and it leads to the why it is happening so it can be solved.

[greatauntoftriplets]

16. Thank you.

That term makes this white woman cringe.

[Gothmog]

22. LOL

[Bok_Tukalo]

27. An attempt to mainstream a racial pejorative

And it is interesting to watch.

[EffieBlack]

29. Not mainstream Explain.

It doesn't even lend itself to mainstreaming.

[Bok_Tukalo]

30. Rationalization is not explanation.

<POE>

[EffieBlack]

35. I guess you would see it that way.

[Bok_Tukalo]

39. I can only see with my own eyes

I am telling you what I see.

Obviously, you are free to disregard, or even ridicule, but you don’t get to see for me.

[cwydro]

34. No it doesn't.

Because it’s just plain stupid.

[NurseJackie]

63. No it's not. Nobody is doing that.

[Bok_Tukalo]

64. There is also the attempt to exempt racial pejoratives directed at caucasians from censure

I think that is a larger argument being made outside of this specific epithet.

[NurseJackie]

65. No there isn't.

[Bok_Tukalo]

66. "Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything

... the other person says."

[NurseJackie]

67. ...intellectual process...

[grantcart]

28. Just when we need Duck Gregory to 'splain it to the people who need it, he is gone.

[EffieBlack]

32. Sandwich vs. Sammich

"White people say 'SAN-dwich.' Black people say 'SAMmich'

"A SANdwich is a light snack between lunch and dinner.

" A SAMmich IS lunch and dinner!"

[Devil Child]

33. Wypipo threads everywhere

I guess when there are no Bernie threads to fire up GD we can now banter in wypipo threads. If only we can embrace intersectionality with a Bernie-Wypipo-male circumcision thread.

Happy Saturday!

[wryter2000]

36. Me, too

Oh, the gnashing of teeth and the rending of garments.

(Do only wypipo say "gnash" and "rend"?) I am a white person.

[Sancho]

37. I think Wypipo is much less offensive than some of the old terms...

like these....

SANDLAPPER

Sandlapper n. One who eats dirt; by extension, a low-class or countrified white person. Chiefly South Atlantic. Derogatory. Compare to: Clay-eater.
Dictionary of American Regional English (Joan Houston Hall, 2002)

CRACKER

1. A term in Southeastern United States English to describe poor white trash, derived from the Scottish meaning of the verb "to crack," which, in this sense denotes ostentation.

WHITE TRASH

A derrogatory term for very poor white people. A racist epithet, not because it specifies race, per se, but because it implies that unsophisticated, disadvantaged white people require special distinction as such to differentiate them from your average poor, huddled masses yearning to be free.

TRAILER TRASH

Derogatory description for person who seems well-suited to residential life in a mobile home park and is distinguished by poor hygiene, foul language, slovenly or slutty clothing, and general ignorance. Recreations include drinking malt liquor in lawn chairs under tattered R.V. awning and teenage pregnancy.

YUPPIE

Informal for (y)oung (U)rban (P)rofessional, or Yup. turned into yuppie in the 1980's. A term used to describe someone who is young, possibly just out of college, and who has a high-paying job and an affluent lifestyle. Can now be used to describe any rich person who is not modest about their financial status.

ARCHIE BUNKER

America's favorite bigot, the central character on the ground-breaking 1970s sitcom "All in the Family". A blue collar worker, Archie mistakenly assumed African-Americans, Hispanics and other minorities were prospering at his expense.

OREO

Term for African Americans that the black community is generally offended with for betraying their roots usually for dating caucasion girls, dressing too white, talking too white, etc. The term is branded OREO since they are "Black on the outside, White on the inside"

Can you be an Oreo-Wypipo??? Very confusing!

[TygrBright]

40. Excuse me. That's "honky", please. Us old white farts don't take kindly to change. n/t

[MineralMan]

41. LOL!

Apparently, as a suggested, only wypipo are offended by the word "wypipo." Perhaps that's how we can distinguish.

[Bok_Tukalo]

50. "If you do not like being ridiculed you deserve to be ridiculed"

I am familiar with Mr Harriot's childish Catch-22 (bordering on tautology).

In his echo chamber, that level of "logic" may suffice but out in the wild it requires a bit more rigor.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

42. I am an animal activist and don't like spcy food!1!! HOW VERY DARE YOU!1!!!!111

[Lucky Luciano]

43. I guess I missed all the fun!! nt

[Afromania]

44. yup

so, so salty and yet not a word otherwise when folks was suggesting throwing us under the bus for trump voters. How you feel now about divisiveness is how we feel when you want the party to embrace trump voters.

[salin]

46. Example of Wypipo in action is another active thread in GD

See: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10573881 Mom who made the call - yep, Wypipo.

To those getting upset, I mostly read the term in FB personal posts from former students (mostly recent or soon to be college graduates) who left our urban school and ended up at predominantly white colleges. One of my fave (and a superstar) students is about to graduate from one of the prestigious seven sisters schools.

Some days she vents exasperation over some dumb/insulting/callous action as she is just going about her business. In her venting of frustration - comes the term. It makes me sad. Not the use of the term (which then often garners comments of "I know what you mean" from some of her peers...) - but that she has to keep being stymied/frustrated by actions of stupid white people acting like privileged jerks, or worse.

This white woman was never insulted by the term when I have read it. Indeed this is the first time I have read days of wringing of hands over the term.

Hell, without meaning to, I am sure I commit Wypipo moments. And in those cases - I think calling me or my action out as Wypipo is much less offensive than the gazillion micro-agressions that white people commit towards people of color every minute of every day. Perspective.

Oh - and here's a first for me at DU - I never mention that/when I have "served" on a DU jury - but several hours ago I did. On this OP. It seemed to have been Alerted on almost immediately upon its posting. Come on folks. Really?

[HopeAgain]

47. ..."and they don't know they are white."

[EffieBlack]

52. They think they're just "the people."

[Hekate]

48. Wooooooo-oooooo. And we glow in the dark, too. Very scary.

[XRubicon]

49. and we smell in the rain

[sheshe2]

51. Ain't that the truth.

And Goddess bless them...they are actually coming to Hillarie's defense. Finally. I kid you not. The hated Hill is being surrounded by an honor guard now against the evil Harriot.

Lol~ now they come to her defense?

[EffieBlack]

53. They also found a form of "racism" that's OK to call out without being accused of being racist

or divisive.

The next time someone criticizes a racist act - like calling the police to report customers not buying while black, or arresting black people because a white manager told them to you or shooting a black man, or mocking and physically attacking a black student - and a DUer tells them they're wrong and unfair to call people racist when they don't know what's in their heart or haven't yet heard the WHOLE story, I'll just tell them that, right before they called the police or made the arrest or shot the black guy or assaulted the black kid, the person was heard to have said something about "Wypipo."

That should pretty much shut down that argument right on the spot ...

[sheshe2]

55. This

The next time someone criticizes a racist act - like calling the police to report customers not buying while black, or arresting black people because a white manager told them to you or shooting a black man, or mocking and physically attacking a black student -

Or shopping while black. Walking while back, breathing while black...

I'll just tell them that, right before they called the police or made the arrest or shot the black guy or assaulted the black kid, the person was heard to have said something about "Wypipo."

This fear they have is absurd. Past time they step back and actually try to walk in another persons shoes. For sure the census will tip around 2043 and they are terrified of losing their white predominance.

[keithbvadu2]

54. I did not know what "Wypipo" was... figured it out about halfway down the page of comments.

[betsuni]

57. I don't understand the panic about divisiveness.

It's another one of those words that's becoming meaningless, when everything's "divisive."

[EffieBlack]

58. Yes. And it's only divisive when minorities call out racism or make them uncomfortable.

But they don’t worry at all about divisiveness when they ignore or dismiss racism and tell us we’re overreacting

[Nonhlanhla]

59. I don't understand the outrage.

First, the term is just a pronunciation of 'white people' - so etymologically there is no insult contained in the term.

Second, it seems to be mostly used to point to white folks' silliness when it comes to issues of race - i.e., to point to our faults. While that carries a certain critical tone, it serves to highlight the existing race issues in the nation, and not to exacerbate them.

But even if you don't like the term, it does not contain the same level of social humiliation that is behind words like the n-word, etc. Compared to what people of color endure on a daily basis, and have done for centuries, it is bizarre for white folks to get their feelings hurt because an abbreviated form of "white people" is used to criticize the attitudes of white people.

Maybe some country singers can write songs about wypipo - reclaim the word, folks! Follow the example of rappers with the n-word!