Wed May 9, 2018, 01:47 PM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
Our Revolution candidate destroyed in most high profile race so far - Ohio Gov.
This is a race they should have outperformed. Kucinich has a very high name recognition nationwide let alone in his home state. Instead here are the results:
Democratic Richard Cordray 423,264 62.3% Democratic Dennis Kucinich 155,694 22.9% Looks like Our Revolution is a fizzle. And that's a good thing.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 01:56 PM
Eliot Rosewater (30,154 posts)
4. Good thing indeed.
I have an idea, if you want a "revolution" to get rid of ALL campaign financing issues and to elect pure candidates, why not do it AFTER you use the terrifically experienced existing politicians to work on REMOVING the NAZIS from the WH first, you know, first.
ACTUAL nazis. |
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #4)
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:20 PM
TheSmarterDog (794 posts)
37. +1000
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #4)
Wed May 9, 2018, 05:00 PM
Hortensis (55,646 posts)
55. +1 The dissonance between high-sounding rhetoric
and actions that sabotage the claimed goals is a very very striking, repetitive pattern.
Kucinich's willingness to adopt Sanders rhetoric and his questionable, fringie actions obviously appealed to...the types those appeal to, but don't expect any of these losses to convince this group they need to choose candidates who appeal to most voters. They won't. They don't compromise their narrow requirements any more than their counterparts in the Tea Party did (this was before the Kochs cut off the funding and a few in office came around). |
Response to Hortensis (Reply #55)
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:17 PM
Anon-C (3,425 posts)
90. +1 yourself! Spot on.
Response to Hortensis (Reply #55)
Fri May 11, 2018, 06:28 AM
Cary (11,719 posts)
178. And there is still no talking to these people
They twist any attempt to reach them into some kind of assault.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 01:58 PM
Pachamama (16,691 posts)
5. Because it was Kucinich
Enough said
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Response to Pachamama (Reply #5)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:03 PM
mountain grammy (25,289 posts)
8. Exactly!
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #8)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:08 PM
arthritisR_US (7,147 posts)
10. Yep.
Response to Pachamama (Reply #5)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:27 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
17. Kucinich was only one - all OR endorsed candidates lost yesterday:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10595709 And only three have won since March: https://ourrevolution.com/results/ |
Response to ehrnst (Reply #17)
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:03 PM
BigmanPigman (48,798 posts)
28. That makes me smile!
Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #28)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:51 PM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
75. I smile when I read it.
Response to ehrnst (Reply #17)
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:30 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
39. Actually one of those three was a ballot measure in Oregon - "Yes for Healthcare"
Response to ehrnst (Reply #17)
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:54 AM
DownriverDem (5,823 posts)
139. Why do you think that is?
If they are far left, that could very well be why they lost.
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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #139)
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:51 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
161. OR likes to only support far left candidates.
That's the common denominator among them.
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Response to Pachamama (Reply #5)
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:58 PM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
40. Once upon a time
Dennis Kucinich was a boy wonder. Mayor,he fought the Electric Companies and won. They promised to destroy Dennis. He finally fought back, became a Congressman.
As the years went by he became stranger. Lost his seat. That boy wonder was 40/45 years ago. Lately Dennis has been appearing on Fox News. Backed by Nina Turner,who lost her seat in Ohio, Nina went on to back Bernie. Tried her best to become a regular on CNN. Three losses are enough, Nina. Time to get a job. |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #40)
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:06 PM
Lonestarblue (7,358 posts)
44. Nina did her best to divide Democrats in 2016.
She was a total turnoff to this Democrat.
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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #44)
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:10 PM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
47. For me,too
And I live here.
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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #44)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:36 PM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
68. Unfortunately that is the only success she has had.
Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #44)
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:52 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
162. Yep. (nt)
Response to True Blue American (Reply #40)
Thu May 10, 2018, 08:20 AM
get the red out (13,436 posts)
128. When he went on Fox
I immediately dismissed him as authentic in his professed beliefs. Liberal astroturf, thank goodness it doesn't stick as well to the Dem Party as the astro turfed Tea Party did to the Rep party.
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Response to True Blue American (Reply #40)
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:05 PM
DownriverDem (5,823 posts)
143. Don't need far left candidates
Far left candidates might win primaries, but they will not win the general election. Also we need to have a better message than impeaching trump. Recent polls show we need to say what our side will do for we the people.
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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #143)
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:38 PM
The Mouth (2,821 posts)
145. THANK YOU
*EVERY* time I mention that the anti-Trump histrionics, accusations of 'fascism'(by people who wouldn't know the difference between 'fascism' and 'National Socialism' to save their lives), and ridicule of his voters accomplish nothing in terms of effecting actual elections (however good they make people feel) some dingbat thinks I'm 'pro Trump' or 'normalizing evil' or some such drivel!
A) you don't change people's minds by telling them they were/are idiots for what they believe or did. You simply don't; they double down- and anyone who thinks they will is more of a problem than a mere Trump supporter. All the ideological righteousness in the world ain't going to change human nature. B) If we can't explain what we are going to do and why it will benefit voters, instead of attacking the Republicans, we will lose, and deservedly so. |
Response to The Mouth (Reply #145)
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:53 PM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
146. You should have seen the nasty ads here
Between DeWine and his opponent. They attacked each other like rabid 🐶.
We shall see if that works in the General in Ohio. Cordray talked about what needs to be done in Ohio. |
Response to DownriverDem (Reply #143)
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:55 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
163. I say let the extreme people run advocacy orgs
let those who have the ability to do administrivia and actually CRAFT LEGISLATION with their peers be politicians.
We get less done the more polarized our houses of government are, and we all lose when that happens - especially the most vulnerable. |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 01:58 PM
Jose Garcia (2,250 posts)
6. Kucinich's problem was that far too many voters knew who he was
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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #6)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:02 PM
R B Garr (16,533 posts)
7. Is that so people will be fooled like with other con jobbers?
Hurry up and vote before people figure things out...
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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #6)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:31 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
19. I always thought that was supposed to be a good thing for a candidate. (nt)
Response to ehrnst (Reply #19)
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:00 PM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
41. That depends
On what people know.
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Response to True Blue American (Reply #41)
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:07 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
45. Like what happens when you release your financials...(nt)
Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #6)
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:35 PM
Crowman2009 (2,154 posts)
54. Not to mention that younger voters can find out his whacked out views doing a simple google search.
Anyone politician linked with InfoWhores and Alex Jonestown is just poison.
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Response to Crowman2009 (Reply #54)
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:11 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
134. We can only hope
Younger voters do not want a 70 year old Trump supporter who is against the ACA, Medicaid,anything that helps others. 8 kids,you can bet he is against birth control, too.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:06 PM
MineralMan (144,997 posts)
9. I'm surprised he did that well, really.
I think it's time for him to stop running for things. He just keeps losing.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:13 PM
JCanete (5,272 posts)
11. good lord... they are competing from an entirely different funding level and
approach which they are trying to make successful, but which has obvious, predictable, hurdles. They aren't always going to be successful and will probably rarely be successful such is the system as it is. I'm not going to make a statement about Kucinich in particular, who does have name recognition, but who has a history of being quirky and recent history of saying some troubling things, nor Cordray who I don't know as a candidate,but your declaration that this makes our revolution a fizzle is silly. Of course there is no place where money doesn't talk loudest. Of course efforts like Our Revolution would need to slowly build a coalition of voters from a grass-roots and exposure over time approach. The effort continues to fight big money in politics, and that's a noble effort regardless of whether or not Goliath takes the day, and the louder that message is the better all of our democratic candidates will be on these issues. Presumably the front-runners with big financial support will have the advantage and will typically take the day, but they will still have incentive and cover to speak more directly to campaign finance because of groups applying pressure from the left, never because there are no such groups. |
Response to JCanete (Reply #11)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:26 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
15. You know that OR doesn't fund candidates, right?
Are you saying that the candidates they endorsed lost because they couldn't get funding?
No amount of money was going to erase Kucinich's calling for Obama to be impeached, or other more recent remarks. It was the decision of Our Revolution to endorse him, even knowing that. They want to tout their influence of their endorsement when a candidate wins, and they need to understand and learn from when their influence is just not enough. Doesn't appear to be happening. How do you explain all the other OR endoresed candidates' losses yesterday and since March? To say that the only reason all of them lost because was that they didn't have more money is silly. They are just not really in line with progressive, liberal voters. Which is fine - hey, go out and champion the underdog, but the claim that they really speak for the majority is just not borne out by the evidence. Sue Spicer Indiana Election: May 8, 2018 U.S. House of Representatives, 7th District LOST Dennis Kucinich Ohio Election: May 8, 2018 Governor LOST Kyle Earley Ohio Election: May 8, 2018 State Representative, District 10 LOST Yvonka Hall Ohio Election: May 8, 2018 State Representative District 12 LOST Steve Holecko Ohio Election: May 8, 2018 State Representative, District 14 LOST Mary Ann Claytor West Virginia Election: May 8, 2018 State Senate, District 17 LOST Lizette Escobedo California Election: April 10, 2018 Whittier City Council LOST Steve Dunwoody California Election: April 3, 2018 Assembly District 54 LOST Daniel Biss Illinois Election: March 20, 2018 Governor LOST Marie Newman Illinois Election: March 20, 2018 US Representative, 3rd District LOST Derrick Crowe Texas Election: March 6, 2018 US Representative, 21st District LOST Carina Driscoll Vermont Election: March 6, 2018 Mayor of Burlington LOST Brianna Westbrook Arizona Election: Feb. 27, 2018 U.S. House of Representatives, District 8 LOST Tim Burns Wisconsin Election: Feb. 20, 2018 State Supreme Court LOST https://ourrevolution.com/results/ |
Response to ehrnst (Reply #15)
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Response to Post removed (Reply #20)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:43 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
22. So you're saying that Democrats can't decide for themselves
who is and isn't a good candidate, we just choose the one with the most big donors?
Really? |
Response to ehrnst (Reply #15)
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:04 PM
northoftheborder (7,479 posts)
30. I didn't know Derrick Crow was endorsed by OR. I heard him speak twice, and liked what he had to...
...say. But there were several other excellent candidates in that district primary.
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #15)
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:07 PM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
46. What a record,huh?:)
Response to JCanete (Reply #11)
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:05 PM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
43. Cordray was chosen
To head Elizabeth Warrens Consumer Agency when Mitch and his gang refused to let her run the Agency she created.
He saved tax payers millions. Elizabeth ran for Senator in Mass. against Brown. Now she is a real thorn in the side of Republicans. Rich came back to Ohio because Democrats coaxed him to run. |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #43)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:26 PM
Cha (283,899 posts)
66. And, Senator Warren endorsed him!
Response to Cha (Reply #66)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:40 PM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
69. But someone else did not. Care to guess?
Need a clue??
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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #69)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:43 PM
Cha (283,899 posts)
70. I think I got it..
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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #69)
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:48 AM
fleabiscuit (4,535 posts)
111. Probably someone not a Democrat. Just guessing. nt
Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #111)
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:32 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
117. Some one
Who loves DEWine?
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Response to JCanete (Reply #11)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:55 PM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
77. Our revolution was invented to take down the Democratic Party...and I hope they are not successful..
Oh I doubt Sen. Sanders intended that ...but that is what Nina intends. She hates Democrats.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #77)
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:18 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
136. Thank you for that!
Response to True Blue American (Reply #136)
Thu May 10, 2018, 07:49 PM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
165. It is true...as we both know.
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #77)
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:46 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
170. Nina Turner is simply trying to find a place to land after losing her seat in Ohio
First she latched on to Bernie, he lost. Nina tried to land a job on CNN, total make over. That did not work, now Dennis, lost again.
Nina does not hate Democrats, she is simply trying desperately to hang on. |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #170)
Fri May 11, 2018, 10:08 AM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
185. I voted for her but after her loss she turned against Democrats.
I would hope that Sen. Sanders would distance himself from this group...he created it but does he support it? I hope not.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #185)
Fri May 11, 2018, 10:42 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
187. I probably would have,too if I lived in her District
But honestly She is just trying to hang on in the Political scene.
Mike DeWine is doing the same thing. After Sherrod Brown defeated him I thought sure he would go back to Greene County to his Law practice, but he came back on Kasich coat tails. Buckeyes blamed Strickland for the Bush recession. Kasich still only won by 2%. |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #187)
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:09 PM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
189. I know but things are different now...we have a super gerrymander which allows a stranglehol on the
legislature. DeWine has a chance. And despite Turners motivations, she has done real damage to the party. I hope Cordray can beat De Wine...but I don't take is as a sure thing.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #189)
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:44 PM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
191. I do understand
How you feel, but honestly think Nina is not important to worry about.she lost 3 times.
As for the election I never predict, but we just have to do what we can to succeed.. Even Republicans backed Issue 1. I am waiting to see Cordray campaign. If DeWine stays as vicious as he was during the Primary. Husted is despised in his home town. |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #191)
Fri May 11, 2018, 07:46 PM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
198. Dewine is a vicious piece of crap.
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #198)
Sat May 12, 2018, 05:08 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
200. Yet,DeWine is a devout
Roman Catholic with 8 children.
![]() He opposed the Medicaid expansion and is far,far right! Yet he can not even solve a massive family slaughter. He posed all over in Piketon while the cameras were on,disappeared from sight once they went off. Claims to be working to solve the Opoid problem, it is worse than when he took office. One,nasty, vicious man, just like Trump and Pence. |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #200)
Mon May 14, 2018, 08:40 AM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
204. He is horrible ...a big hypocrite and really a murderer if he got his way with Medicaid.
Response to JCanete (Reply #11)
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:51 PM
lapucelle (15,118 posts)
101. Our Revolution is a dark money organization.
Because it was structured as a 501(c)(4), neither voters nor journalists are privy to the amount of money it raises or where it comes from.
https://sunlightfoundation.com/2016/02/17/a-glossary-of-campaign-finance-in-the-u-s/#501(c)(4) https://sunlightfoundation.com/2016/08/26/bernie-sanderss-new-political-group-wont-have-to-disclose-its-donors/ |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:18 PM
Tavarious Jackson (1,595 posts)
12. I had a candidate call me to support her in the primary
I looked at my voter book and saw she was endorsed by my revolution and I flat told her that was her kiss of death. I ws voting for her opponent
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Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #12)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:25 PM
R B Garr (16,533 posts)
14. Love this. It will be my strategy in the California primary
coming up.
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Response to R B Garr (Reply #14)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:30 PM
Tavarious Jackson (1,595 posts)
18. This was Oregon
I have already mailed my ballot
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:19 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
13. Every single one of their candidates in yesterday's primary lost.
Response to ehrnst (Reply #13)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:27 PM
R B Garr (16,533 posts)
16. Wow.
That is quite a statement.
Thanks for this info, ehrnst. |
Response to ehrnst (Reply #13)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:42 PM
MineralMan (144,997 posts)
21. Yup. Our Revolution is a losing proposition.
That's not where things are going.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #21)
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:05 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
31. Somehow this will be spun as their candidates being "too ethical" or "too honest"
or "not in the pocket of some corporate master," for the masses to be able to understand, or some such bull.
Already happening on other threads, BTW. |
Response to ehrnst (Reply #31)
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:06 PM
R B Garr (16,533 posts)
33. LOL, I think you are right about that. nt
Response to ehrnst (Reply #31)
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:26 PM
stubtoe (1,862 posts)
50. They'll just blame the DNC or the DCCC or Nancy Pelosi
Or any of their other favorite punching bags. They never seem to learn that it's voters who do the voting, for some reason.
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Response to stubtoe (Reply #50)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:43 PM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
71. You mean the same punching bags as the Republicans?
Things that make you go hmmm. Nyet?
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Response to stubtoe (Reply #50)
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:04 PM
Blue_true (31,261 posts)
83. They will make their shrill call for all open primaries.
Eventhough open primaries are a horrible idea.
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #31)
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:20 AM
Cha (283,899 posts)
115. Bottom line.. they weren't inspiring.
Response to ehrnst (Reply #13)
Thu May 10, 2018, 08:30 AM
kcr (15,243 posts)
130. Good
Music to my ears.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:44 PM
sunRISEnow (217 posts)
23. I think it is really important our Democratic Party shows its strength right now.
To create the blue wave into a tsunami. This is a good thing. Clear and loud win for the Democratic Party.
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Response to sunRISEnow (Reply #23)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:48 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
24. Thank goodness that OR isn't Democratic. (nt)
Response to ehrnst (Reply #24)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:53 PM
sunRISEnow (217 posts)
25. They make statements they would vote Republican and Sanders is an Independent.
The organization is not part of the Democratic Party, is it? I am not real clear on that.
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Response to sunRISEnow (Reply #25)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:57 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
27. No, they are not. (nt)
Response to sunRISEnow (Reply #25)
Fri May 11, 2018, 10:48 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
188. No, Bernie
Became an Independent after he lost. He had promised to go back to the Senate as a Democrat.
The MSM and DNC keep promoting him. Perez and Ellison |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:55 PM
Tiggeroshii (11,088 posts)
26. Not a candidate they should have ever touched if they cared about credibility
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:03 PM
Dopers_Greed (2,631 posts)
29. They should go start a Revolution...
...in Russia.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:05 PM
dalton99a (74,353 posts)
32. They should have named it Our Great Revolution - MAGA
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:06 PM
yallerdawg (16,104 posts)
34. Kick...
and highly recommend!
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:14 PM
Gothmog (126,616 posts)
35. I am glad that the Our Revolution candidate lost
This group is not trying to help the party
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:15 PM
brooklynite (85,587 posts)
36. Here are their other major race nominees...
Jane Kim, Mayor of San Francisco Andy Thorburn, CA-39 Joe Salazar, CO-AG Andrew Gillum, FL-GOV Stacey Abrams, GA-GOV Cathy Glasson, IA-GOV Pete D'Alessandro, IA-3 Paulette Jordan, ID-GOV Chuy Garcia, IL-4 Brent Welder, KS-3 Ben Jealous, MD-GOV Jonathan Fulford, ME-2 Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, MI-GOV John Heenan, MT-AL Jim Keady, NJ-4 Peter Jacob, NJ-7 Amy Vilela, NV-4 Connie Johnson, OK-Gov Gregory Edwards, PA-7 Jess King, PA-11 Rick Trevino, TX-23 Laura Moser, TX-7 |
Response to brooklynite (Reply #36)
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:24 PM
grantcart (52,615 posts)
38. Laura Moser? Wasn't she Dexter and Brian's mother?
Response to brooklynite (Reply #36)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:58 PM
RandySF (43,200 posts)
80. Jess King is the only Democrat on the ballot in PA-11
And Paulette Jordan has broad support in the party. Jane Kim has a real shot at getting elected mayor. Their candidates for Wisconsin Supreme Court and Mayor of Burlington lost.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #36)
Thu May 10, 2018, 08:17 AM
GWC58 (2,678 posts)
127. Ben Jealous will get
wiped out for MD governor in the primary. Unfortunately I think Hogan is re-elected. 🙄
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #36)
Mon May 14, 2018, 09:27 AM
crazycatlady (4,492 posts)
205. I doubt Jim Keady has a chance
I just received my absentee ballot and was going through the Twitter feeds of my Congressional candidates. Keady's was attacking the 'establishment' for not being progressive enough. Pass.
Besides Josh Welle's people called me a few times. As a field person, the campaign that calls/knocks me first gets my vote. |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:04 PM
Valhallakey (70 posts)
42. Democrats need to keep moving to the right
We have no national figure like FDR to LEAD people to the conclusion that things like healthcare, college education etc... should be covered for all people. Instead overall the Democrats keep moving right as the right goes over the edge. We mainly have Republican light (Democrats) and Crazy (Republicans) as politicians at this point.
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Response to Valhallakey (Reply #42)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:30 PM
Cha (283,899 posts)
67. Sorry, you have no clue.. our Dems aren't "moving to the
right". Study up on the Dem platform.
We don't mainly have "republican light(Democrats)".. all you have all insults without any knowledge, Valhalllakey. |
Response to Cha (Reply #67)
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:53 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
171. Good
Democrats need to stick to the values we have always stood for.
Republicans cheat,lie, work with Russians, anything to win. They have now been exposed. And backing Trump is their downfall. We need to quit going off in factions,backing any silly ranger that promises the moon and work together. We have many good,young Democrats ready to be Leaders, not pie in the sky old men,long past their sale date. |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #171)
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:13 AM
Cha (283,899 posts)
172. Yeah, the propaganda
about Dems being repub light isn't helping.
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Response to Cha (Reply #172)
Fri May 11, 2018, 05:22 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
173. Do we,
By any chance have some Russian bots? Just asking, by the posts in this thread..
Just a few too many Democratic insults for me. |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #173)
Fri May 11, 2018, 05:32 AM
Cha (283,899 posts)
174. Who knows? Could be
or just any ol one.
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Response to Cha (Reply #174)
Fri May 11, 2018, 05:38 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
175. So many of the posts in this thread sound
So. Mean about fellow Democrats.
I know they are 24 hour ones on other boards. They are easy to spot,,are computer driven. |
Response to Cha (Reply #67)
Fri May 11, 2018, 05:08 PM
Valhallakey (70 posts)
195. This thread started as a slam
You get a clue. I have lived in many places and in most our Democrats would be the right or center right party. But I suppose it is more important to start threads slamming the most active part of the Democratic Party then if anyone disagrees with that premise, disparage them. But of course you are so much smarter. Our centrist candidate won the presidency so who am I to complain.
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Response to Valhallakey (Reply #195)
Fri May 11, 2018, 07:05 PM
Cha (283,899 posts)
196. You go read the Democratic Platform and then we'll
talk.. you have not one clue what's going on. Not even one
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Response to Valhallakey (Reply #195)
Fri May 11, 2018, 08:43 PM
sunRISEnow (217 posts)
199. I think this is the talking point big "P"'s use. The Democratic party I am involved in locally
are progressive arguing and doing and striving for the people. I hear these comments from people that want to weaken the party, or destroy it. Not from the party I participate in.
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Response to Valhallakey (Reply #195)
Sat May 12, 2018, 10:54 PM
marble falls (47,684 posts)
203. cheetolini a centrist, you're glad he won? You're at the wrong place - say bye-bye....
the pizza truck is pulling up.
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Response to Valhallakey (Reply #42)
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:07 PM
Blue_true (31,261 posts)
86. FDR left out.
Blacks, American Indians, Women. Pretty progressive, not!!!!!!!'
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #86)
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:41 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
169. FDR
Left out no one. Attitudes were much different then.
I was alive and listened to FDR many times. It is clear you have no idea of how Democrats have managed to give Civil Rights over the years. |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #169)
Fri May 11, 2018, 07:06 AM
Blue_true (31,261 posts)
180. So we are not fighting negative attitudes now from lots of republican voters?
What a quaint assessment. People like me and others keep trying to explain that in any era, it is attitudes that is the problem, progress just does not magically happen because we want it to happen. That is the case now, it was the case with FDR, if not we would have had universal healthcare long, long ago. Wishful thinking, ignoring historical realities and talking about pie in the sky ideas that have no grounding in reality will not bring about progress, progress has historically happened because of determination and grindingly hard work. FDR did not include blacks and American Indians in the new deal because it was way too hard for him to, so he didn't. Lyndon Johnson faced different times and was able to do a lot more for both ignored groups and whites at the same time. The amount of progress is a function of the times that a leader lives in, so is success, FDR FAILED where LBJ succeeded. Please don't accuse me of ignoring progress that democrats have brought about, anyone that regularly read my posts here should know that charge is patently untrue.
So are you around 90 years old? I doubt that a child would listen to FDR and understand what was being said. |
Response to Blue_true (Reply #180)
Fri May 11, 2018, 07:18 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
181. I did
Listened to the Day Of Infamy Speech on our Crowley radio.when we were attacked. A small child can be deeply affected by what they hear,Especially back then. Radio and News shorts at the Movies, Newspapers were all the news you could get.
And no,I am not 90 years old, but you would be wise to listen to those who lived then. You have no conception of how things have changed over the years,and almost all have been because because Democrats fought for them. The only Republican President I admired was Eisenhower who gave us the Interstate system designed on the Autobahn in Germany. |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #181)
Fri May 11, 2018, 07:23 AM
Blue_true (31,261 posts)
182. I am aware that only democrats have brought about progress.
Do you think that I just crawled out of some dark hole? Anyone who has been alive for the last 50 years SHOULD know that only democrats have moved the needle on progress, something some that have found their way here apparently don't understand.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #182)
Fri May 11, 2018, 07:53 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
183. Thank yo.
Response to Valhallakey (Reply #42)
Thu May 10, 2018, 07:54 AM
Trumpocalypse (6,143 posts)
125. Were you alive when FDR was President?
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:10 PM
Gore1FL (20,535 posts)
48. Anything that brings people to the polls on the left is a good thing.
Some of those people are new voters who are going to go to the polls and vote on issues and candidates that you do approve of.
You can root for whatever candidate you may chose. I think Richard Cordray was the better choice too. You and I can and should should be celebrating Richard Cordray's victory. We should also be celebrating the participation of Democrat Dennis Kucinich in the primaries. They aren't enemies. They are Democrats. |
Response to Gore1FL (Reply #48)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:49 PM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
74. Ideally I would agree.
But let’s meet up here in 4 months and see how much support this group lends to our (Democratic) candidates.
I’ll give you a hint... none. Hope I am wrong Competitive races are great if both sides are in total agreement that after one wins all join together and become a strong team. OR has a history of sulking and going home. Because they are at heart not members of our party. They support...well, someone or something else. |
Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #74)
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:34 PM
Gore1FL (20,535 posts)
94. I vote left in primaries and party in general elections.
Richard Cordray fit that category for me in the primaries in this case.
In 2016 I voted for Sanders in the Primaries, Clinton in the GE, because that's how our system works. I realize some don't. We fundamentally don't want disassociate ourselves from what is a fundamentally healthy way to energize and grow our party along natural and existing coalitions. We have the system we have. Our electoral strategies need to ultimately be inclusive. The post-2016 purist threads are tiresome and make DU unwelcoming. |
Response to Gore1FL (Reply #94)
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:43 PM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
97. Well, if we are different parts of one coalition I agree.
But when one group makes it clear they do not as a solid rule support the Democratic Party then we are not on the same team. OR has made that clear they may at some time support a non democratic or even republican candidate. Which makes it clear they have a higher goal than electing Democrats.
Pretty hard to find common ground in that situation. Keeping in mind that a great majority of Bernie supporters do NOT fall into that category. But many do. |
Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #97)
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:39 PM
Gore1FL (20,535 posts)
100. It's ultimately up to the the individual what they are going to do
I'm suggesting that it is foolish to proactively push people away.
I do not understand the desire to drive potential allies, or even potential sometimes-allies away. We have the system that we have. It's designed to have a nomination phase and a general election phase. If we don't come together for the general election, we lose. While there is an argument to be made that some of the voters won't support the nominee. There are three possible approaches: 1> Tell the voters of the losing candidate to fuck off (as this thread does). 2> Do Nothing 3> Embrace the voters of the losing candidate, and welcome them into the next phase with their new candidate. Projected Outcomes: 1> We lose. People will blame those that they told to fuck off for fucking off. 2> Tossup. The yield will be lower than it could have been 3> We win. Democrats unite behind the candidate they chose in a fair process. Though some may do it grudgingly, many will show up and vote for the Democrat. Where is the error in my logic? What do we lose by encouraging voter participation on the left? |
Response to Gore1FL (Reply #100)
Wed May 9, 2018, 11:08 PM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
102. That error in your question is the lack of logic!
What are you even asking for?
That the winner embraces the positions of the loser? Tell the losers that they were right all along? Embracing the supporters of the loser sounds a lot like admitting they were right. That’s some kind of bullshit. Should we give the supporters of the loser a participation metal? This is not fucking grammar school, we are fighting for the future of our nation. Politics is a contact sport. The Republicans realize that. Our gadflies do not. |
Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #102)
Wed May 9, 2018, 11:26 PM
Gore1FL (20,535 posts)
103. What am I asking for?
I am asking that you look at how the primary system is supposed to work and them follow that model. I'm 52 and it has more or less worked the entirety of that time. It's the system we use. To pretend otherwise is folly.
It's best to get the most votes by getting the most votes possible, not by getting less. What am I asking for? The attempt at party unity. Be fair. Be kind. Be inclusive. Be welcoming. Find common ground. Applaud--don't shame their participation in Democratic Party primary. If nothing else, don't be an asshole. But hey, go ahead and tell them all to go away from our party. They can go and vote for someone else, you can say. Many will be happy to oblige, I am sure. We'll get Republicans running things some more. That'll sure show them! |
Response to Gore1FL (Reply #103)
Wed May 9, 2018, 11:35 PM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
104. Well, those things are all constructive.
But the losing side has some obligations as well.
Those would be: Be fair Be kind Be inclusive Be welcoming Find common ground Applaud Don’t be an asshole. And I would add a few: Do not be a poor loser Do not blame the rules you signed up for Never suggest you will support a republican Realize you lost and be humble And most of all...be a fucking member of the Democratic Party! |
Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #104)
Wed May 9, 2018, 11:42 PM
Gore1FL (20,535 posts)
105. I'm all good for that.
The OH Gov primary that this thread is about was yesterday.
Where are the people being poor losers? Who is blaming the rules they signed up for? What Kucinich supporters suggested they would support Mike Dewine? Who hasn't realized that Kucinich has lost? Where is the pride you mention? Do you have links are are all of these hypothetical arguments used to justify proactively drive people we have some, but not many, disagreements with away? |
Response to Gore1FL (Reply #105)
Wed May 9, 2018, 11:54 PM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
108. LOL! What the internet does best!!
Making enemies out of friends.
I got a little carried away. If your DU name means what is I think we are both working hard to turn Florida blue. If not let’s all do what we can to bring liberal democratic policies were possible. I apologize for any offense I have given. But not for defending the democratic party! Have a nice evening. |
Response to Gore1FL (Reply #48)
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:56 PM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
192. That I agree with.
And,after a Primary battle we pull together and go on.
If we do not, Republicans will win. The choice is up to us. |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:25 PM
paleotn (15,725 posts)
49. Good....
No worries for Kucinich though. He's still got his spot on Fux News. His crazy ass shtick plays well there.
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Response to paleotn (Reply #49)
Wed May 9, 2018, 06:07 PM
Hassin Bin Sober (25,467 posts)
58. SOP for Fox News. They get someone a little goofy looking and swat them around on air.
Al Franken used to ask Alan Colmes why he wouldn’t go after Hannity. Alan would say “that’s not the format of the show”
They prefer a “liberal” who will grovel at their feet and lick their boots for a paycheck. |
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #58)
Wed May 9, 2018, 06:15 PM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
60. At least this sour grapes statement of yours wasn't homophobic, like the one you posted below
I guess that’s progress
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:29 PM
Botany (67,380 posts)
51. I live in OH
Kucinich has long since stopped being worth anything and is seen
as a joke by most people. But he'll go back and become a "Fox News liberal" because he needs to feel important. |
Response to Botany (Reply #51)
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Response to Post removed (Reply #53)
Wed May 9, 2018, 05:24 PM
marble falls (47,684 posts)
56. Why would he need to put on kneepads, I'm wondering.
Response to marble falls (Reply #56)
Wed May 9, 2018, 05:29 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
57. Seems homophobic to me.
Response to George II (Reply #57)
Wed May 9, 2018, 06:17 PM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
62. Clearly it was. Shows you where some folks' minds are at. Their homophobia is their go to
As far as attempted insults toward other people.
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Response to stevenleser (Reply #62)
Wed May 9, 2018, 07:04 PM
Eliot Rosewater (30,154 posts)
64. Sad, it is.
Response to George II (Reply #57)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:20 PM
marble falls (47,684 posts)
65. Me, too. Nastily so.
Response to Post removed (Reply #53)
Wed May 9, 2018, 06:13 PM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
59. LOL, no ad-hominem against me will change the fact that Our Revolution has failed
and it’s candidates are being rejected by overwhelming numbers. Virtually the entire slate of Our Revolution candidates were wiped out.
But hey, if homophobic, unoriginal, ad-hominem and sour grapes statements are what get some through the day to cope... |
Response to stevenleser (Reply #59)
Thu May 10, 2018, 07:49 AM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
124. Thing is I agree with you on Our Revolution...can't stand them. But I still think if you know this
poster that the attacks against him were unfair. And I disagree with him on a number of issues.
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Response to Post removed (Reply #53)
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Response to Post removed (Reply #53)
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:10 PM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
87. Some look for trouble. You are not homophobic...
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #87)
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:40 PM
FreeState (10,292 posts)
95. And some like to come here and not see blatant homophobic sentiment
There was no need to bring gay sex into the above comment. Zero.
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Response to FreeState (Reply #95)
Thu May 10, 2018, 07:46 AM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
123. Really? My daughter is a Lesbian...and I hate folks who use LGBTQ as a weapon against others.
Do you really believe the poster is anti-gay?. I don't. I find your attacks baseless.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #123)
Thu May 10, 2018, 09:36 AM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
132. We're not going to agree on this. I think it's pretty simple. That posters insult breaks down to
accusing two men of giving a blowjob to another man. That's the insult.
Its particularly hilarious given that the whole schtick of poster who wrote it is to accuse other people and their candidates of not being liberal or progressive enough on the issues. Apparently that does not extend to LGBTIQ rights. |
Response to stevenleser (Reply #132)
Thu May 10, 2018, 07:57 PM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
167. Many people use the term without considering it as a Gay slur; it could mean "sucking" up hehe
(OK that was a joke). How is that for a play on words. You have to consider intent. Do you believe this particular poster meant it as a slur? And that is all I will say although I will read anything you post. Hey we agree on this thread as usual. I hope Our revolution has a big sad...
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #167)
Fri May 11, 2018, 12:56 AM
FreeState (10,292 posts)
168. I'll take privilege for 1000 Alex n/t
Response to FreeState (Reply #168)
Fri May 11, 2018, 10:10 AM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
186. I wouldn't disagree...hahah. have a great day!
Response to Botany (Reply #51)
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:31 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
116. Right on
Kind of reminds me of those out of staters who like Kasich because he seems to be such a reasonable guy.
I remember his attitude when he came in on a 2% win because many blamed Strickland for the Bush recession. Hung ho,he was going to fix Ohio. Charter School scandals out the wazoo, cuts in Public Education, cut the state taxes so local had to raise the sales tax. Tried to kill the Teachers Unions. We took him to the Ballot box,huge rejection. Now,Kasich is Moderate. |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:31 PM
FarPoint (11,496 posts)
52. As an Ohioan....
Kucinich is not who we wanted...not even close....
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Response to FarPoint (Reply #52)
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:12 PM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
88. Agree completely.
I live in Ohio too.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #88)
Fri May 11, 2018, 06:01 AM
FarPoint (11,496 posts)
176. When Kucinich announced his primary run...
Eye rolling was immediate....
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Response to FarPoint (Reply #176)
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:15 PM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
190. Many eyes rolled including mine.
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #190)
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:37 PM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
193. So now,we have our choice
It is up to us to get Cordray elected.
DeWine is too old,set in the past, as most Republicans are. The past was not that great for many of us. We need to stick together. |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #193)
Fri May 11, 2018, 07:44 PM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
197. Yep...fired up and ready to go.
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 06:28 PM
BlueDog22 (365 posts)
63. I'm Glad
This "revolution" just took resources we could have used for the general. We need every dollar.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:44 PM
PatrickforO (13,953 posts)
72. So...we're actually looking at this as a bellwether
gauging the relative strength of the Bernie wing versus the Obama/Warren wing??
And then we're gloating over the victory of the....which....wing? Guess I was under the impression we're all planning to vote straight D tickets and flip both houses. But you know what? - I still want us to a) end the Trump tax cuts, b) educate people about the role taxes actually play in quality of life, and c) raise taxes to a reasonable rate. Because I want stronger Social Security and universal healthcare. I'd also like us to explore public banking as a nation. We also need more subsidies in Head Start and other ECE, better school nutrition and to de-voucherize and de-charterize the K-12 system. Instead why not try and make that system so good it is the envy of the world? And I want no-debt postsecondary education at state community colleges, colleges and universities. Also back IN the Paris agreement and the Iran agreement, and an end to tariffs and a beginning to some fair trade agreements. I'm active in my county's Dem party and am on its platform committee, and those things were advanced to the state level. Ideally, in a country with a government that is supposed to be of, by and for the people, we should be using our tax dollars for programs like this that alleviate financial stress and better our quality of life. We also need to bring social justice issues front and center. So what am I? Far left? Center? Bernie wing? Warren wing? |
Response to PatrickforO (Reply #72)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:54 PM
RandySF (43,200 posts)
76. I wouldn't call Our Revolution ANY wing of the Democratic Party.
They called Elizabeth Warren a sellout. They scream bloody murder every time one of their candidates loses. They're pushing the fake Uranium One story against Hillary on social media. These folks do not play well with others.
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Response to RandySF (Reply #76)
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:17 PM
PatrickforO (13,953 posts)
91. Oh. See, I didn't even know they existed. I guess both parties have a crazy wing, eh?
I don't even want to know what the hell the 'uranium one' story about Clinton is. It is clearly a right wing smear. Clinton's been accused of everything under the sun and none of it stuck. Honestly, I credit the virulent hate directed at her to misogyny and the virulent hate directed at Obama to racism. Because both are fine and upstanding public servants who genuinely did their utmost to uphold this nation, it's people and its Constitution.
Sigh... Uranium one. Shit. |
Response to RandySF (Reply #76)
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:58 AM
wonkwest (463 posts)
120. I have no use for Our Revolution
And anyone who calls Elizabeth Warren a sell-out I have even less use for. Furthermore, I don't want Bernie to run in 2020. Right now, Kamala Harris is my person. I'll look at others because it's early yet, but she's where my heart and brain are right now.
However, anyone who doesn't admit these OPs and threads - that are posted nearly daily - aren't continued sour grapes about the 2016 primary and pretending they're not a bunch of partisan hippy punching aren't being honest. Disingenuousness and feigned obtuseness when we are facing the most important midterms of our lifetimes are games we cannot afford play at this point in time. We need the Hillary Wing and the Bernie Wing. We need moderates, centrists, liberals, and progressives. And yet, everyday, a new thread punching down at the hippies and progressives. The 2016 primary is long gone. And yet, we're supposed to pretend these OPs, threads, and posts aren't all about that bitterness. It's over. We have so much more important work ahead of us over the next five months. Less than five. People who cannot live without these threads are now suspect in my mind. Because they're not drawing people to our party. Quite the opposite. Very quite. There are assholes on the Left. No secret. There are a lot of them. But this constant attack vein on progressives because people just cannot get over the 2016 primary is enough enough. We don't have fish to fry. We've a fucking whale who is destroying our country. But this is what occupies some people's minds? That maybe some people still may like Bernie in some way. Eh-fucking-nough. It's transparent as hell and it's damaging our party's chances because it's so damn alienating. Why take the House by one vote when we can take it by twenty? Just enough. People are being fucking children. |
Response to wonkwest (Reply #120)
Thu May 10, 2018, 06:05 AM
obamanut2012 (23,829 posts)
121. lolz
shoo
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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #72)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:55 PM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
78. I look at it as a victory of the Democratic Party over the ratf%!?ing brigade myself. nt
Response to PatrickforO (Reply #72)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:56 PM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
79. We all pretty much agree with all that give or take a few things here are there
The problem is that OR, while they support these things have an even higher loyalty.
And have proven to go against good Democratic candidates who supports those those agenda items if that candidate does not share their higher agenda. These are the people who booed John Lewis at the Democratic convention. John Lewis. They are irreconcilable in my mind. |
Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #79)
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:20 PM
PatrickforO (13,953 posts)
92. Booing John Lewis?
What 'higher agenda' could anyone have than John Lewis?
Our founders created this nation on compromise. That's why a bicameral legislature, and executive branch and a judicial branch with all those checks and balances. They didn't want us to go the wrong direction really fast. |
Response to PatrickforO (Reply #92)
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:25 PM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
93. Did you watch the Democratic convention?
John Lewis was given a speaking spot to honor, well everything about him.
He supported Hillary. Those who did not booed him. Democratic Party delegates. At the Democratic convention. On National TV. Un-fucking-forgivable. So when I get an occasional hide, you will know why. |
Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #93)
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:04 PM
PatrickforO (13,953 posts)
98. Oh. Lewis is a genuinely great man. A true American hero.
I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but man, when you watch those old videos of those people marching across the Pettus Bridge knowing that some were going to die and all were going to be bloodied, but marching on because they knew they were right.
The dogs, the fire hoses, the police in construction hardhats with their truncheons. Blood in the streets. Blood of children, women and men. And Lewis was THERE. I'm with you. No cause to boo a guy like that. |
Response to PatrickforO (Reply #98)
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:18 PM
GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)
99. I am curious though...
Because no real democrat would boo him. What are your thoughts on those who did boo him at the Democratic convention? Because that is where the rubber meats the road.
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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #99)
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:02 AM
fleabiscuit (4,535 posts)
112. BOOM! Very good.
Response to PatrickforO (Reply #72)
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:04 PM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
84. There is no Bernie wing. He is not a Democrat. And those issues you mentioned are Democratic
issues. As Democrats, we must move forward and win elections...the idea that OR primaried Joe Manchin in WV with a Candidate who could never win a general says it all. They risk multiple seats with their bad choice of candidates in districts and state where they could never win a general even if they made it through the primary...They want to lose their way to
the revolution I guess. |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:48 PM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
73. K&R
Good news. we surely would have lost if Kucinich won...voted for Cordray. At least we have a shot in November.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:00 PM
JI7 (87,738 posts)
82. Kucinich would have lost either way
Response to JI7 (Reply #82)
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:16 PM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
89. The problem is Kucinich would have lost the general...sure Cordray might also. DeWine is from a
political dynasty and he is a tough candidate but at least we have a chance.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #89)
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:43 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
118. DeWine lost to
Sherrod Brown. He is not invincible.
Political Dynasty? From what? One son is elected? |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #118)
Thu May 10, 2018, 07:44 AM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
122. The DeWines have been in Ohio politics for years...since Reagan.
Sherrod Brown did indeed beat him. But sherrod is very well liked. Cordray doesn't have that level of support yet. I am hoping for the best and will work for both Cordray's and Brown's election.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #122)
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:07 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
133. Mike's parents turned a small
Business into an International company. The DeWone Family is from Green County. Green is next to Montgomery. Mike has been in Politics for decades, he is 70. All we need is another old man in charge in Ohio.
http://www.milb.com/documents/2010/01/05/7876250/1/DeWine_Family_Biographies.pdf |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #133)
Thu May 10, 2018, 07:50 PM
Demsrule86 (65,525 posts)
166. I know...but the name means something here...I want Cordray to win and will do what I can.
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
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Response to Name removed (Reply #106)
Wed May 9, 2018, 11:49 PM
fleabiscuit (4,535 posts)
107. Guess there is a poll for everything.
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:36 AM
Callado119 (171 posts)
110. Resign?
Nina Turner should resign and go knit, or is she not tired of all this “winning”
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Response to Callado119 (Reply #110)
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:05 AM
fleabiscuit (4,535 posts)
113. Something familiar about that. nt
Response to Callado119 (Reply #110)
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:49 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
119. Resign from what? Nina lost her seat in Ohio,
Went full tilt for Bernie, he lost. Tried her best to become a regular at CNN, changed her wigs and big glasses so often it was hard to keep up. Then went for Dennis, big time, he lost.
Time to get a job, Nina. |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:14 AM
Utah Grizzlee (30 posts)
114. Screw You, Sue!
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu May 10, 2018, 07:58 AM
Trueblue Texan (1,884 posts)
126. Kucinich has lost his mind...
Maybe Ohio started using found theirs again?
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu May 10, 2018, 08:20 AM
dembotoz (15,804 posts)
129. Remember the good old days when we cheered a defeat of the gop?
Focus folks on the real bad guy
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu May 10, 2018, 08:30 AM
katmondoo (6,398 posts)
131. Kucinich was never my pick
He was a big favorite on DU years ago however he was always all talk and nothing else.
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Response to katmondoo (Reply #131)
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:18 AM
True Blue American (16,837 posts)
135. Richard Cordray for
Those who do not know his History. Chosen by President Obama to lead the Agency Elizabeth Warren created. Saved tax payers millions of dollars.
He was persuaded by the Democratic Party to come back to Ohio to run for Governor. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cordray |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:47 AM
Bernardo de La Paz (44,675 posts)
137. Not my revolution. . . . nt
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:52 AM
DownriverDem (5,823 posts)
138. Wrong Candidate
Doesn't Kucinich have russian ties? Besides remember, we need the votes of not just the far left to win elections.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:14 AM
Dopers_Greed (2,631 posts)
140. Too bad...
...that the "Our Revolution" supporters will probably choose to stay home in November and hand the midterms to the Repubs.
Because that is the "pure" thing to do. |
Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #140)
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:07 PM
DownriverDem (5,823 posts)
144. They are then total fools
Haven't they learned enough from Nov 2016?
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:34 AM
HenryWallace (332 posts)
141. A rollcall of people who miss the point!
No one has ever questioned conservative-leaning Democrats' ability to win primaries!
The important question is can they consistently win general elections? (outside of running against pedophiles, the worst President in American history, and now the most vile President in American history). Your looking for a tribal win (at a cost of seeding your next electoral defeat).... |
Response to HenryWallace (Reply #141)
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:03 PM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
147. Nope, when you lose the primary by 20-40% you're not a general election contender
We didn’t miss the point, you did.
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Response to stevenleser (Reply #147)
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:32 PM
HenryWallace (332 posts)
148. Says an individual whose Party is
at its lowest point of governing reliance in nearly a century...
See no problem, hear no problem, and (at DU) speak no problem! |
Response to HenryWallace (Reply #148)
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:10 PM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
149. And your solution is to put forth candidates who get 40% fewer votes than mine. Great job!
And by the way, I notice how you indicated you do not identify as a Democrat. If that is the case, what is your purpose here?
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Response to stevenleser (Reply #149)
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:34 PM
HenryWallace (332 posts)
160. Hey genius,
there is a difference between primaries and general elections.
The former you can win, the latter you can't (or if you do, you seem to hack off the American electorate). We are finished. |
Response to HenryWallace (Reply #160)
Fri May 11, 2018, 09:27 AM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
184. Hey Captain Obvious, everyone knows that just like everyone knows if you lose the primary by 40%
you are not a stronger general election candidate.
If you can't wrap your head around that, you have closed your mind to rational thought. |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:53 AM
BobTheSubgenius (11,360 posts)
142. Back in the day when opposition to W was trying to find its footing,
I actually liked Dennis. Alas...
At least I don't have the regret of "back in the good old days," because they weren't. |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:17 PM
lovemydogs (575 posts)
150. Why are you not going after republicans instead of democrats
It seems to me this is a post trashing someone on the left.
I thought we were suppose to be worrying about the gop - Trumpsters and not going after our own side. Granted Kucinich is a bygone name in politics but, he is still on our side and not a republican I don't get why you are so worried about one of our own rather then trashing the republicans, as it should be. |
Response to lovemydogs (Reply #150)
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:20 PM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
151. Google the term "Fifth column". You'll get it. nt
Response to stevenleser (Reply #151)
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:24 PM
lovemydogs (575 posts)
152. Sounds like Bannon's kind of stuff. Not democrats
Or is there a conspiracy thing, ala Alex Jones.
There is no conspiracy to take down the democratic party. It's a large tent party with many factions, none of which is trying to destroy the party |
Response to lovemydogs (Reply #152)
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:25 PM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
153. OR is an effort to take down the Democratic party and transparently so. nt
Response to stevenleser (Reply #153)
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:28 PM
lovemydogs (575 posts)
155. I am not aware of copperheads being reconstituted
Response to stevenleser (Reply #153)
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:31 PM
lovemydogs (575 posts)
156. I am sorry but, it sounds rather crazy...
There is no 5th column or anyone trying to destroy the party.
It has gone through many changes over the many many years its been around. It has changed and there have been many faction that have been part of the party for a very long time. There is simply no conspiracy |
Response to lovemydogs (Reply #156)
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:34 PM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
157. Its how they talk about themselves. nt
Response to stevenleser (Reply #157)
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:46 PM
lovemydogs (575 posts)
158. I've heard nothing about them, nothing on internet I can find...
Who are these so called people trying to destroy the party?
Because as far as I can find it's pure conspiracy |
Response to stevenleser (Reply #157)
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:48 PM
lovemydogs (575 posts)
159. Where did this all come from? Who is saying it exists?
Whoever this shadowy group is, who is the person pushing this idea
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Response to lovemydogs (Reply #152)
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:26 PM
lovemydogs (575 posts)
154. Actually the Copperheads were the last time anyone tried to take down the democrats
And that was in the 1860s!
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu May 10, 2018, 07:08 PM
Doremus (7,255 posts)
164. Yeah, high name recognition --- for being a crackpot. I'd be surprised if he carried his own county
His campaign texted incessently the last couple of weeks. Told them in no uncertain terms Dennis lost me forever with his Trump crush.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:32 PM
Scurrilous (38,676 posts)
194. Boink.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sat May 12, 2018, 05:17 AM
Glamrock (11,495 posts)
201. What a shame that someone who used to be so respected here
Is cheered for losing because of affiliation with someone who ran against someone else.
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Response to Glamrock (Reply #201)
Sat May 12, 2018, 06:23 AM
Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)
202. If that were the only reason, you might have a point. But FNC's favorite "Democrat" lost for other..
reasons. You speak of DU's past respect for Kucinich. DU didn't change, Kucinich did.
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