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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Mon May 14, 2018, 11:26 AM May 2018

Schumer applauds Trump on moving US Embassy to Jerusalem

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/387566-schumer-applauds-trump-on-moving-us-embassy-to-jerusalem

Schumer applauds Trump on moving US Embassy to Jerusalem
By Mallory Shelbourne - 05/14/18 10:56 AM EDT


In a rare moment of agreement with President Trump, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) on Monday praised President the move of the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

“In a long overdue move, we have moved our embassy to Jerusalem. Every nation should have the right to choose its capital,” Schumer said in a statement. “I sponsored legislation to do this two decades ago, and I applaud President Trump for doing it.”


The statement echoed a sentiment Trump expressed in a video message presented at the embassy opening, in which the president said the move had “been a long time coming.”

But the embassy’s official opening Monday was also marked by a bloody day on Israel’s border with the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.

The New York Times reported that at least 41 Palestinians were killed and more than 1,700 injured at the border’s barrier.


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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/387566-schumer-applauds-trump-on-moving-us-embassy-to-jerusalem
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Schumer applauds Trump on moving US Embassy to Jerusalem (Original Post) babylonsister May 2018 OP
why didn't they bdamomma May 2018 #1
It's right there in the piece: "I sponsored legislation to do this two decades ago" FBaggins May 2018 #4
I read that in the article bdamomma May 2018 #19
Urgency? FBaggins May 2018 #21
thanks for bdamomma May 2018 #34
The issue had long been held as a rare one that could motivate Israel at/to the peace table TeamPooka May 2018 #41
shart of the deal 0rganism May 2018 #46
My guess is that the White House and the GOP needs Sheldon Adelson's campaign contributions politicaljunkie41910 May 2018 #54
This EffieBlack May 2018 #63
Post removed Post removed May 2018 #2
There was probably a camera and a microphone. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2018 #6
Schumer has always had a hard-on for Israel. Ace Rothstein May 2018 #14
I am so sorry he is my Senator. NT jrthin May 2018 #30
Help stir that pot on high heat Schumer! dubyadiprecession May 2018 #39
This Is Where My Senator & I Part Ways Me. May 2018 #3
Religion over Country. Freethinker65 May 2018 #5
Israel has ENCROACHED on far too much!!!! Civic Justice May 2018 #7
your source is not only inaccurate, gejohnston May 2018 #29
I think not.... Civic Justice May 2018 #37
The Arabs refused to accept or sign gejohnston May 2018 #44
Its not that simple Civic Justice May 2018 #49
Actualy it is that simple... AncientGeezer May 2018 #50
regardless.... Civic Justice May 2018 #70
Our Senate leader, to sum up BeyondGeography May 2018 #8
And yet Pelosi is the one everyone complains about. dawg May 2018 #15
Disappointing to say the least Va Lefty May 2018 #9
He is very. He will be cheering the bombers when they approach Tehran. grantcart May 2018 #22
Does he not realize how destabilizing this will be? alarimer May 2018 #10
50 protesters have now been killed. LuckyLib May 2018 #11
All of this was done to bring about End Times maryellen99 May 2018 #12
Screw you Schumer. As a Jew I'm saddened. As a human being I'm appalled. Nanjeanne May 2018 #13
+1 Ccarmona May 2018 #27
Sure.. Lets blame Israel for.. Rustyeye77 May 2018 #16
And moving the embassy makes all this better . . . how? gratuitous May 2018 #20
The embassy move was held back for like 2 decades? Rustyeye77 May 2018 #23
Well, we got a few dozen more corpses out of the deal gratuitous May 2018 #24
How did Hamas come to power in the first place? Takket May 2018 #25
I blame democracy. Scurrilous May 2018 #35
That's the problem with democracy IronLionZion May 2018 #45
One man one vote, once. tritsofme May 2018 #71
Terrorism. former9thward May 2018 #43
+ 1000 Rustyeye77 May 2018 #48
+ another 1000! COLGATE4 May 2018 #67
I am glad you asked still_one May 2018 #53
And let's also not forget leftynyc May 2018 #40
I see a lot of excusing of Israelis lately HopeAgain May 2018 #57
He's gonna love this... Baclava May 2018 #17
Is it me or is Trump's name's font size bigger than the name of the USA up top? TeamPooka May 2018 #42
I'm surprised that the emblem isn't the trump family crest. nature-lover May 2018 #51
Ugh. Crunchy Frog May 2018 #18
But we can't say anything but positive things about Democrats here, RIGHT??? Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #26
Disappointing from Schumer awesomerwb1 May 2018 #28
The embassy should be in gejohnston May 2018 #31
You'd better have gotten something good in exchange, Schumer. n/t Orsino May 2018 #32
Why is this a big deal? PeacefulPeavey May 2018 #33
I wasn't aware of that. I wonder why President Obama Autumn May 2018 #61
It's sophisticated diplomacy EffieBlack May 2018 #65
Has he condemned the killing of over 50 Palestinians? n/t malaise May 2018 #36
Pastor Jeffress says Schumer is gonna burn in hell. progressoid May 2018 #38
Sanders supported this move under a year ago. NCTraveler May 2018 #47
Are you confusing him with Pres Obama who said in 2008 Nanjeanne May 2018 #55
One would almost think that some folk's hatred for Bernie shanny May 2018 #64
President Obama...June'08 right after securing the nomination.. AncientGeezer May 2018 #52
I dont care what Obama said... HopeAgain May 2018 #56
I believe there is blame on both sides mvd May 2018 #58
Yee! Ha! a capital erected on bloody bodies, such heroes nolabels May 2018 #59
chill out folks AlexSFCA May 2018 #60
Appropriation and confiscation of persons land and homes without just cause has always been a crime nolabels May 2018 #62
All previous presidents "wanted" it. But they were also savvy enough to know that actually DOING it EffieBlack May 2018 #66
Schumer needs to go budkin May 2018 #68
"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us." WiseElder May 2018 #69
Thank you Sen. Schumer! Israel is a Jewish state, and Jerusalem its eternal and undivided capital! tritsofme May 2018 #72

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
4. It's right there in the piece: "I sponsored legislation to do this two decades ago"
Mon May 14, 2018, 11:39 AM
May 2018

That legislation passed with overwhelmingly bipartisan support (about 10-1 IIRC).

Just a few months ago, a Senate resolution reaffirming the "Jerusalem Embassy Act" was passed 90-0

bdamomma

(63,836 posts)
19. I read that in the article
Mon May 14, 2018, 01:40 PM
May 2018

but why the urgency to move the embassy? if it's not broke why fix it?

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
21. Urgency?
Mon May 14, 2018, 01:48 PM
May 2018

You did note that President's have been deferring this decision every six months since the law was passed 23 years ago?

As for "not broke"... why did such massive bipartisan majorities in congress insist on it if they didn't think that something was "broke"?

TeamPooka

(24,221 posts)
41. The issue had long been held as a rare one that could motivate Israel at/to the peace table
Mon May 14, 2018, 03:40 PM
May 2018

so it has been held back by all President's as a carrot to a peace plan
Trump gave it away for free without getting Israel to commit to ANY good faith action like stop building settlements etc.
art of the deal

0rganism

(23,943 posts)
46. shart of the deal
Mon May 14, 2018, 04:38 PM
May 2018

seemed like there were a lot of international relations experts on the TV this morning who sounded pretty confused about why Trump would toss away a prime bargaining chip while getting jack shit in return.
personally i think he's doing it to bump his approval numbers but wtf do i know?

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
54. My guess is that the White House and the GOP needs Sheldon Adelson's campaign contributions
Mon May 14, 2018, 09:27 PM
May 2018

to get them through the November elections.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Me.

(35,454 posts)
3. This Is Where My Senator & I Part Ways
Mon May 14, 2018, 11:32 AM
May 2018

especially when he turned his back on PBO. It also says to me he isn't as smart as he thinks he is

 

Civic Justice

(870 posts)
7. Israel has ENCROACHED on far too much!!!!
Mon May 14, 2018, 11:42 AM
May 2018

We want to attack Russia for its Encroachments, but we want to support Israel's Encroachments. - Why would we support the occupations drives of Israel ????

Look at the maps for yourself.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
29. your source is not only inaccurate,
Mon May 14, 2018, 02:10 PM
May 2018

historically, but borders on antisemitic. I notice it ignores the Jews forced from their homes and holy sites destroyed during the 1948-1967 Jordanian occupation of Judea, Samaria, and East Jerusalem.

 

Civic Justice

(870 posts)
37. I think not....
Mon May 14, 2018, 03:08 PM
May 2018

I look at what was actually allocated to the Jewish people... as compared to the expanse of their encroachment. (I don't buy into the antisemitic phrasing as if nothing can be said of truths about the Jewish people, that they don't want to hear. I personally don't see them as being any more important than any other people on this earth.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
44. The Arabs refused to accept or sign
Mon May 14, 2018, 04:15 PM
May 2018

The agreement. That was their choice, unlike the Jews massacred in Hebron in 1929 or the abuses against Jews during Jordan's occupation of the West Bank.

All the PA has to do is agree to Israel's right to exist. The problem isn't "special Jews" it is racist Arabs. Your source is still BDS/Hamas propaganda.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
50. Actualy it is that simple...
Mon May 14, 2018, 09:05 PM
May 2018

You link is of an irrelevant British mandate LONG since gone...When the League of Nations was still an entity and the Brits "ruled" that land

 

Civic Justice

(870 posts)
70. regardless....
Tue May 15, 2018, 01:30 PM
May 2018

....... an unresolved matter is still an unresolved matter. And cannot by rights default to benefit the Jewish at the expense of the Palestinians.

I don't see any reasonable need or benefit in life, to value the Jewish any more than to value the Palestinians as both being simply "PEOPLE".

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
8. Our Senate leader, to sum up
Mon May 14, 2018, 11:43 AM
May 2018

Has backed Trump on a trade war with China, was hamstrung on opposing his tearing up the JCPOA with Iran since he voted against it to begin with and supports moving our Israeli embassy to Jerusalem. That's drawing some really bright lines between the parties on foreign policy, isn't it?

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
10. Does he not realize how destabilizing this will be?
Mon May 14, 2018, 12:05 PM
May 2018

How many protesters have been shot by IDF thugs at the behest of monsters Netayahu and Trump? 50?

Fuck this bullshit.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
11. 50 protesters have now been killed.
Mon May 14, 2018, 12:30 PM
May 2018

Trump’s decision was monumentally foolish. Our nation’s salute to everything Netanyahu is ridiculous.

maryellen99

(3,788 posts)
12. All of this was done to bring about End Times
Mon May 14, 2018, 12:33 PM
May 2018

I think about 85-90% of trump supporters are end timers as well. The deplorables love this.

 

Rustyeye77

(2,736 posts)
16. Sure.. Lets blame Israel for..
Mon May 14, 2018, 01:17 PM
May 2018

Hamas using UN money for weapons
Terror TUNNELS
Hamas having a stranglehold on pal. lives
Hamas murdering so called traitors
Hamas murdering of LGBT persons
Egypt refusing to allow any pal. within 100 feet of their border
The endless rockets on Israel
Hamas control of food give by Israel.

"But, but, but....no one is excusing hamas. Israel should just take it without responding."

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
20. And moving the embassy makes all this better . . . how?
Mon May 14, 2018, 01:46 PM
May 2018

No, let's just keep pouring munitions into the area and see if that doesn't fix everything.

 

Rustyeye77

(2,736 posts)
23. The embassy move was held back for like 2 decades?
Mon May 14, 2018, 01:53 PM
May 2018

and how much progress did we get?

Makes no difference.

there will never be peace until hamas is voted out.... ohh, that's right hamas wont allow elections

former9thward

(31,979 posts)
43. Terrorism.
Mon May 14, 2018, 03:54 PM
May 2018

They murdered their opponents in the PLA in the Gaza strip. So there was no one left to run against them. The PLA has rightfully cut off money and aid to the Gaza strip and now Hamas is suiciding people in fake "demonstrations" at the border to try and keep power. You notice no Hamas leaders have been killed. They are back in their bomb shelters in Gaza cheering people on at the border.

TeamPooka

(24,221 posts)
42. Is it me or is Trump's name's font size bigger than the name of the USA up top?
Mon May 14, 2018, 03:46 PM
May 2018

It looks like it's just a little bigger
or it could be the same
might just be the angle of the photo

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
31. The embassy should be in
Mon May 14, 2018, 02:16 PM
May 2018

whatever the nations capital happens to be. That has been the bipartisan policy for decades, but we cowered to violent antisemites on the far left and far right for too long. I'm with Schumer on this.

 

PeacefulPeavey

(24 posts)
33. Why is this a big deal?
Mon May 14, 2018, 02:27 PM
May 2018

Why is this such a big deal?
From what I understand, the past 4 presidents have made this promise.

Running in 2008, Barack Obama also promised to move the embassy.

“I continue to say that Jerusalem will be the capital of Israel, and I have said that before, and I will say it again," Obama said. "And Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided.”

https://news.grabien.com/story-montage-past-presidents-promise-move-us-embassy-jerusalem

Autumn

(45,055 posts)
61. I wasn't aware of that. I wonder why President Obama
Mon May 14, 2018, 10:27 PM
May 2018

didn't move it while in office? I think he would have handled it in a way to avoid the bloodshed that happened.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
65. It's sophisticated diplomacy
Mon May 14, 2018, 11:32 PM
May 2018

They made the promise but also knew that actually doing it under the existing circumstances would result in tragedy. So they regularly waived the provision.

Trump is too stupid understand statecraft or he's too craven to care - or both.

This is a disaster - the result of having someone like him in this office. I'm sure that history will look back at this day as a critical milestone - and not a good one.

Nanjeanne

(4,950 posts)
55. Are you confusing him with Pres Obama who said in 2008
Mon May 14, 2018, 09:51 PM
May 2018

On Wednesday, June 4, 2008, would-be president Barack Obama told AIPAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee) that “Jerusalem must remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided.” — before walking that statement back?

You are probably thinking of the 2017 vote where Sanders as well as 89 other Senators including all Democrats voted in favor of Senate Resolution 176, which “reaffirms the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 (Public Law 104–45)”, which said that Jerusalem should be recognized as Israel’s capital and the US embassy should be moved to Jerusalem. Bernie did oppose the original 1995 Act, although most Dem Senators voted in favor. The 2017 resolution also included a variety of things like calls on the legislative body to recognize the half a century landmark since Israel captured the eastern part of the city during the 1967 Six Day War. As well as also says that “Jerusalem is a holy city and the home for people of the Jewish, Muslim and Christian faiths.”

There were no No’s. Some Senators, both R and D did not vote.

Furthermore, the text advocates a two-state outcome based on direct negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
64. One would almost think that some folk's hatred for Bernie
Mon May 14, 2018, 11:29 PM
May 2018

is the most important issue. Even more than their hatred for tRump...or, possibly, the Palestinians.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
52. President Obama...June'08 right after securing the nomination..
Mon May 14, 2018, 09:17 PM
May 2018

"Let me be clear. Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable."
"The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive, and that allows them to prosper — but any agreement with the Palestinian people must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state, with secure, recognised and defensible borders.
"Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided. I have no illusions that this will be easy."

mvd

(65,173 posts)
58. I believe there is blame on both sides
Mon May 14, 2018, 10:17 PM
May 2018

Hamas haven't been very good leaders. But Israel has their own problems with how they have treated the Palestinians. Israel also has far more military might. Jerusalem is very important in multiple religions, which is why the UN has been so careful.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
60. chill out folks
Mon May 14, 2018, 10:24 PM
May 2018

Obama also wanted US embassy in Jerusalem. My jewish friends who are super liberal and visisted Israel are in agreement with this decision that was promised many times but finally delivered. There are so many more things to focus on with trump like treason that actually matter.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
62. Appropriation and confiscation of persons land and homes without just cause has always been a crime
Mon May 14, 2018, 11:23 PM
May 2018

(well, at least in civil societies). I do hear though, there was something said about tribes and warfare somewhere

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
66. All previous presidents "wanted" it. But they were also savvy enough to know that actually DOING it
Mon May 14, 2018, 11:34 PM
May 2018

would result in disaster to the peace process. That's why they never went further than talk.

Trump again proved today why he is utterly unfit to govern.

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