Does Anyone Else Find the Melania Kidney Thing a bit Hinky?

[TBA]

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No prior announcement I am aware of.

She will be in the hospital all week for a procedure that usually requires an overnight stay max.

Could there be some reason she needs to be kept out of sight a few days?

[Ferrets are Cool]

1. Said it from the beginning. nt

[pnwest]

5. Said what?

[Ferrets are Cool]

11. That it was hinkey.

[pnwest]

15. Oh - thought you were hinting at

a theory about the real story and I was curious. Plastic surgery was my first thought

[BlueCaliDem]

55. Plastic surgery was my first and now only thought, too.

It's simply impossible to believe anything this WH puts out in the media.
They haven't earned any trust from any sane thinking American.
So my thinking is, Melania went in to redo some plastic surgery. Having plastic surgery isn't a one-time thing.

[Cryptoad]

66. breast enlargement???????

they dont want us and John Q to know they are using the National Obama Care for cosmetic thingys,,,,,,

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

96. They've already been enlarged as far as they can reasonably be.

But at her age there's going to be some sag even if they were real, so maybe they did a little tightening.

[Soxfan58]

109. You saying

She brought them in for a tune up. trump is such a dick he proberly made her get the Stormy Daniels package.

[Ilsa]

98. Donald wants Stormy size! nt

[Ferrets are Cool]

122. Well, my very first thought was "distraction"

You know that all the "news" outlets would make it the first story on that nite's program.
Then I started thinking about "other" reasons like everyone else has mentioned. We will never know the REAL story.

[Fullduplexxx]

2. She came out with "be best" took a lot of crap about it then disappered

[Scarsdale]

76. Another facelift?

If she appears to have Asian eyes when she shows up again, then it was yet ANOTHER face lift. After each one, her eyes almost disappear into slits. She looks mean as hell.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

97. Her face can't be lifted much farther without it looking like

it would crack if she tries to smile. But Spanky might insist that she keep getting alterations of various kinds, since she's well past her sell-by date (late 40's), and since he can't very well trade her in for a younger one while he's president, he'll just have to make her do what she can to keep looking like the trophy wife she was when he married her.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

154. You can only lift a face so much before it becomes obvious.

[RhodeIslandOne]

159. No problem there, she's fucking miserable

Her corpulent sweet potato looking husband has thoroughly humiliated her.

[RhodeIslandOne]

158. She's developing Bride of Wildenstein face

Google it.

She’ll look like a extra from Cats soon.

[smirkymonkey]

161. One more facelift and she'll have a beard.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

3. Of course we will know nothing more than speculation.....

That the First Lady is perhaps crying for help. The White House will remain mum on this, but word will eventually get out that she wants out of this situation she finds herself in. I am speculating of course.

[Nay]

123. I immediately wondered if she was in hospital for mental reasons -- having a rest cure,

if that's still a thing for rich people.

[Ohiogal]

4. I'm wondering

plastic surgery?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. That was my guess.

She’s past her sell-by date, and Spanky might have insisted that she get some tightening and tucking.

[smirkymonkey]

162. I would think she would want him to divorce her.

That way she would be free of him and he would have to pay her alimony. I really can't imagine that she would go out of her way to do anything to keep him. She is still a very attractive woman and I am sure there are a lot of other men who would snap her up in a minute if he dumped her.

[Happyhippychick]

6. I'm wondering if it isn't mental.

Melania seems to be a very devoted mother, I can't imagine that she would be away from her son for one minute longer than she has to.

[snowybirdie]

29. I wonder

Her son is 12, Usually kids are beginning to do their own thing by then. You never see her doing anything with him publically. Is he into sports? Never seen at a game. Intellectual persuits? Never see her taking him to any museums or mentally stimulating persuits. He had nannies when younger. We only know of her devotion because we are told so. I fear for that poor child and his self-absorbed parents.

[kimbutgar]

42. If the son is on the autism spectrum

It must be terrifying for him to be apart from her. I hope her parents are taking care of him.

That said, I think an assault by Twitler is the reason she’s in the hospital. Not plastic surgery.

[solara]

52. An assault was my guess too

Takes time to heal a black eye, or a split lip.. or a broken rib..or a nervous break down.

Terrible that this is what comes to mind when thinking about the PINO & his wife.

[enid602]

71. Kidney

Kidney problems sometime stem from getting beat up.

[LisaM]

82. Yep.

I won't say that didn't occur to me.

[Hortensis]

86. Good grief. They're making a clone before

they dispose of her. A rock whispered it to a renegade CIA agent on the side of Mt. Ararat. Pass it on.

[Tipperary]

91. Lol. Well played.

[dixiegrrrrl]

167. that poor kid. I fear he is a lost cause.

His father is a true clinical psychopath, his mother and siblings are all grifters and looking like crooks, his brother in law is the same.

[treestar]

7. Since the WH are known liars

There is nothing wrong with supposing this could be a lie, too.

[Butterflylady]

87. Bingo!!!!!!!!

Something else is going on. So we'll have to see how long it is before she makes any kind of appearance.

[FM123]

105. "since the WH are known liars.."

It is anything end everything except for what the WH says it is.

[TBA]

8. Maybe Trump hit her

[elfin]

10. A kidney punch? Not visible to the public like a black eye.

No one can believe anything this administration says.

And the docs will cover up if asked to protect her privacy.

[Silver Gaia]

18. I had a similar thought...

[Luz]

19. He couldn't pop a pimple with those tiny fists.

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[Beausoleil]

43. A swift kick in the back?

He probably had her on the floor.

That's how bullies and cowards do it.

[RKP5637]

9. As usual, it all sounds strange. Who can trust anything about anything from this administration. n/t

[asiliveandbreathe]

35. Who can trust anything about anything from this administration - and therein lies the sad

truth - I'm really not sure what to think about Melania...I'm sorry she is having a rough go of it..."and still she stayed" comes to mind....but then, she has millions and can afford this down time - where you or I would recover at home...but then, again, her home isn't all that bad - she can afford to be home and have around the clock home care..you or I would be wandering around, bent over, getting a glass of water...I digress...

[RKP5637]

40. Same feelings here too!

[MoonRiver]

12. Makes NO sense.

Nobody wants to be in the hospital longer than necessary.

[DFW]

14. I haven't been following this at all

I didn't even know she was ill, finally figured I'd take a moment and look.

If she had a cancerous kidney removed, as long as the malignancy was contained, nothing further needs to be done. A friend of mine had a cancerous kidney that was discovered by accident during another surgery, got it removed immediately, and is still going strong now 30 years later (he is now 77).

Whatever else is going on with her and her odious spouse, cancer SUCKS royally (my parents and all their siblings had it, and my wife has had it twice). I hope she doesn't have to suffer the slow downhill spiral this disease inflicts on those that get a terminal dose of it. NO one deserves that (OK, for Mitch McConnell and Dick Cheney, I MIGHT make an exception).

[MoonRiver]

17. Doctors said it was benign. She had a routine, usually, outpatient procedure done,

for something dealing with her kidney. As someone who has spent a lot of time in hospitals over the last 7 years, I can tell you that I wanted out of those places ASAP.

[get the red out]

24. I am just surprised

That no one has said what was wrong with her kidney? Generally, medical problems in the first family are at least given a diagnosis, if for no other reason than to prevent a lot of speculation I would guess. I know that Nancy Reagan's breast cancer wasn't put out there that much, but people understood mastectomy, no big mystery there.

[cwydro]

30. It's private medical info.

Confidential.

[get the red out]

31. Certainly!

But info that has generally been divulged by first families in the past, I was not referring to someone leaking or anything.

[MoonRiver]

33. Sanjay Gupta talked about it, but even he doesn't completely understand

what's going on.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/14/health/melania-trumps-kidney-procedure-explained/index.html

[DFW]

47. She was lucky, then

Good for her. Cancer is being detected much better now than 50 years ago, but it's not much of a comfort to those diagnosed with it.
As one whose parents both had it, along with ALL of their siblings, with me it's not "if" but "when."

[frogmarch]

27. I think she had a kidney procedure

because I can't imagine physicians or anyone else at Walter Reed medical center lying about it. It may well have been more serious than "routine," but that part could have come from the White House.

[atreides1]

32. Really?

You can't imagine a military or contracted physician would lie?

Besides, we're basing this on the assumption that it was government physicians and not her private doctor that performed the procedure.

[TBA]

36. Yea Trump really weighs 230 lbs

[Dave Starsky]

16. I think she scarfed a bottle of sleeping pills.

But that's just my opinion.

[Hoyt]

107. LOL. Don't blame her.

[Dave Starsky]

112. If I were trapped in a marriage with that asshole...

They'd have to take my belt and shoelaces away from me.

[smirkymonkey]

163. *snort*

No kidding. I'm surprised she's held out this long. I don't think I would be able to last a week without wanting to throw myself off the roof of Trump Tower.

[grantcart]

20. This is the most normal event of the Trump Presidency, including their

Hincky Christmas Tree lighting and Easter egg hunt.

I am just surprised that

A) Her surgeon didn't get s cabinet post

B) They didn't find a pharmaceutical sponsor to pay them $ 5 million to name the cyst

C) That Trump didn't award himself the medal of Freedom for all the difficulty he went through

D) Fox news didn't broadcast it live.

E) The House Intelligence committee blame it on stress from the Mueller probe

F) The American Nazi Party petition the Smithsonian to enshrine the minute mass taken out as a religious icon

G) That Ted Nugent didn't have a 24 hour vigil concert outside her room

And finally

H) That he hadn't worked the Central Park 5 into it somehow because the bastard isn't going to rest until he gets those 5 innocent young men on the electric chair.

[unblock]

23. rofl!

nice list!



you forgot to add a dig about obamacare. surely he would have said something about how her government-funded healthcare is so much better than terrible terrible obamacare....

[Hortensis]

89. Lol. Most knowledgeable post yet, even if it does

just raise 8 more questions.

[NastyRiffraff]

21. My first thought: he beat her

Caveat: It was my first thought ONLY; there's no evidence. It's just that he's the type.

[TreasonousBastard]

41. My first thought, too, although it could just have easily been plastic surgery or suicide...

all of which is pure speculation. Most likely a kidney operation like they say.

Fascinating how our first instinct is to assume they are lying.

[Rorey]

46. There's a type of liar who will lie about everything

Even if the truth is more beneficial to them, or at least won't hurt them, they lie. I think 45 falls in this category.

I don't know what it is. Paranoia, I guess.

[Nasruddin]

90. Beating the rap

Maybe 10 years ago, but in his present condition he couldn't beat an egg.

The sleeping pills idea earlier is an interesting thought. We know they're
lying about something.

[ginnyinWI]

22. Well who wouldn't want to be away from that orange baboon?

I would. And it is possible that she is having other "work" done.

Whatever. Her life and her choice.

[mulsh]

25. who know the truth. When I first heard about how long she's in hospital I immediately imagined

Malania and a very clever attorney doing something like this.

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But then I'm a snarky, cynical old dude.

Be Well, Malania.

[asiliveandbreathe]

37. But then I'm a snarky, cynical old dude - you are in good company - and you are also

funny.....

[Clarity2]

26. My first thought

And I’ll put my tinfoil hat on: shes being slowly poisoned. Maybe a divorced Melania is perhaps a loaded gun to trump/putin. Maybe she knows too much. The kidneys are often injured from toxic substances.

There are an awful lot of dead russians, and trump could shoot someone in the middle of 5th ave and get away with it.

Ok, so its doubtful, but couldnt help thinking it.

Conspiracy theories aside, I dont think she would be away from her son if she could help it, not even to get away from dotard. Its probably more serious than they are saying.

[Rorey]

44. Can I borrow your hat?

The thought crossed my mind too, but I was thinking that maybe it a warning to toe the line.

[Clarity2]

169. Sure thing lol

Obviously we probably will never know.

[awesomerwb1]

28. She's getting some plastic surgery done

Move along, nothing to see here.

[mountain grammy]

34. Yep.

Going for that Stormy look.

[asiliveandbreathe]

39. We are just having too much fun this morning..I see this happening every so often when

the shit starts to fly everywhere - we seem to run a gamut of emotion..todays forecast... "fun, funny, snarky, sarcasm - tonight, unpredictable...

[underpants]

59. Women of a certain class need a touch up from time to tine

My thoughts exactly when I first heard this. Either that or abuse/substance abuse

[JustAnotherGen]

38. I don't give a shit

Seriously - not my farm, not my animal. She's a birther - so fuck her.

[Rorey]

45. I have no compassion for her either

But watch out. Some folks think we should "be humane".

[JustAnotherGen]

53. Fuck that

If they want me to take it back - they can go whine to 45/140.

I'll stop saying that shit and typing it when 45 personally shoots me, and Putin personally cuts the fingers off of and the tongue out of my COLD DEAD BODY.

[Rorey]

63. Same here

Say what you mean, and mean what you say. I won't ever pretend to feel an emotion that I don't feel.

[JustAnotherGen]

81. Yeah - I totally see them

Some fakey fake phoney baloneys - but when push comes to shove -


Eh? I think they would let Richard Spencer literally step on their faces. Like really? No wonder we have such a hard road to climb in 2018.

They want to sit up there and be nice to the enemy?

Sorry - raised by one of the first Green Berets - someone hits you -

You hit back and ask questions later.

I totally don't get this little bambi's momma eating in a field of daisies. She died in the movie - right?

[ollie10]

48. SO if someone holds a different political opinion from us, we shouldn't respect human life?

Aren't we better than that?

OK, now it is your turn to say you were "joking"?

[Tipperary]

49. Right wingers ill or dying often brings out the worst in some here.

I have seen some truly ugly posts. Go figure.

[ollie10]

50. True....and McCain's bout with cancer brings out the worst in some too

Similar principle

[Hortensis]

93. Deplorables channeling, but I figure they'd call 911 for her,

cover her with their jacket and try to block the rain, hold her hand and tell her it'll be okay until help arrived.

Not that I'm trying to insult JustAnotherGen or others by not taking them seriously, but...

[JustAnotherGen]

51. I am absolutely NOT joking - she's fucking liar

And fucking racist.

I don't give a shit what happens to her.

She should have been nicer to Obama and not popped off at the mouth with her racist shit.

You think that little racists gives a fuck about ANY black people.


Fuck her and her next ten generations.

Anything else?

Go complain to 45/140.

[ollie10]

54. Be the change you want the world to be

[JustAnotherGen]

56. Seriously- you must not be black in America

Seriously - your words come ACROSS as naïve.

Are you seriously suggesting I fellate racists?

Because I read that - and I remember the racist that tried to mow me over in the street when I was five in his car.

Must be nice to not have to take hits.

Enjoy your privilege sweetie!

[ollie10]

60. Maybe you can step back and come back to your words after you have calmed down

My comments have nothing to do with race

[JustAnotherGen]

79. I'm rational - so is your BEST friend Melania

[ollie10]

106. She is not my best friend....I don't even like her

But she is a human being.

When we de-humanize people with whom we disagree, that's where a lot of problems happen.

De-humanization is the stuff I see a LOT of coming from the Trump crowd. Leads to racism, misogyny, homophobia, and all sorts of hatred.

Just because Melania is married to a jerk, and just because she has supported many of his views, doesn't mean we have the right to de-humanize her. I guess we could de-humanize her, but that just makes us similarly guilty of that which we hate.

[smirkymonkey]

164. God she's a fucking idiot.

Just like everyone else in that family.

But one thing I will give her the benefit of the doubt on. I don't think she is an actively evil person. I think she is really too shallow and politically passive to care one way or the other and is taking her cues from her dumb fuck of a husband. She's wrong for repeating those talking points, but I as far as republicans go, I can think of about a thousand other people that I hate more than her. I think she has a serious case of Stockholm Syndrome. She is easily influenced by whomever controls her.

[ehrnst]

113. Congratulations!

You get an "A" for privileged derailing!

http://www.derailingfordummies.com/derail-using-emotion/

[ollie10]

65. are these words naive?

I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality... I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word. Martin Luther King, Jr.

[JustAnotherGen]

78. Yes

Malcom X

I don't believe in any form of unjustified extremism. But when a man is exercising extremism — a human being is exercising extremism — in defense of liberty for human beings it's no vice, and when one is moderate in the pursuit of justice for human beings I say he is a sinner.

Keep it up . . . Your way is going to get me killed, have my property stripped from, stolen wealth and given to racist hillbillies.

What I'm saying is -

We aren't good.

You and me.

I'll smile in your face at the DNC in 2020 - but that's it.

[ollie10]

102. So you are saying MLK Jr's way is going to get you killed and your property stripped?

Are you saying he was not successful?

[ck4829]

149. That's pretty much what MLK himself said about Goldwater

His “trigger-happy attitude that could plunge the whole world into the dark abyss of annihilation.”

Here we are yet again with the pizzagaters, confederate flag wavers, evangelicals, and alt-righters; it's almost like MLK wasn't successful.

[ehrnst]

165. That was spectacular! You not only equated your view with MLKs, but

you feigned that you thought that what they were seriously saying that they thought MLK "was not successful."



The passive aggressive martyrdom, mixed with some real cold blooded doubt of the basic decency of anyone who disagrees, delivered as "concern" is fascinating.

I mean, I was impressed by the bald faced nerve when you asked me if I "thought that people should be treated humanely or not," but I hadn't seen this.

I knew this the holier than thou mean girl in high school who, when we asked what she thought of the prom theme, she said, "I'm not really a fan of prom. I was raised as decent Christian girl. But you all have fun!" Then when everyone rolled their eyes, her jaw drops and she says "What???? What do you have a problem with - Christianity or decency?" Laughter from all of us. "I will pray for you all that you don't get raped. I'm just trying to be nice to you people. Why are you so mean? I guess you just hate Jesus." More eyerolling.

Yeah. People can spot that kind of backhanded "concern" a mile away. And she really thought that she was a puppetmaster of shaming, poor kid.

Watch your blood pressure, Ok? That kind of world view will eat you up from the inside out.

[ehrnst]

114. And anyone who doesn't agree with you is also dissing everything MLK stood for.

again....

[ollie10]

119. Didn't say that at all

You apparently don't want to acknowledge that I was quoting Ghandi and King.

You can agree or disagree with Ghandi and/or King if you choose. It ain't me....not by a long shot.

[JustAnotherGen]

57. PS - Michelle said go high

She never ever said turn the other cheek.

That would be stupid.

[ollie10]

62. And Ghandi said be the change you want the world to be

I am paraphrasing.

Think about it.

[JustAnotherGen]

77. And Malcom X said - If you stick a knife in my back

If you stick a knife in my back nine inches and pull it out six inches, there's no progress.

If you pull it all the way out that's not progress.

Progress is healing the wound that the blow made.

And they haven't even pulled the knife out much less heal the wound.

They won't even admit the knife is there.

Eh yeah - Malcolm had it right - he was an American. Ghandi not so much.

[ollie10]

99. I agree with Martin Luther King Jr

[ehrnst]

115. Well, clearly then, anyone who doesn't agree with you...

Doesn't agree with MLK.

Where have I heard this before?

Oh, yes...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10558023

[ollie10]

117. Didn't say that at all

My post was a lengthy quote from MLK. Not my words. And I acknoledged the author, MLK. What could be more clear?

[ehrnst]

121. Yes, you as good as said, "I think he's smart, and if you disagree that

a comedian talking about eyeshadow is going low, like violence in the streets, you don't think MLK is smart."

In addition to derailing by condescendingly using privilege in the words of "calm down, now..." you are also skilled at derailing by affirming the consequent fallacy!!

Someone disagrees with you about a joke a comedian made, and you blow that into contradicting MLK himself, and everything he believed about non-violent protest!

But if you want an example, I would refer you to Martin Luther King Jr...who preached non-violent resistance. He spoke against using violence, because he believed that it would hurt the cause for civil rights. So he advocated civil disobedience, but insisted that the temptation to do violent things would be counter-productive.

I think MLK was smart, too.

Martin Luther King said we should not go low and be violent.
I think Martin Luther King Jr is "pretty smart"
If you disagree with me that a comedian's joke is sexist,
You therefore don't agree with me that Martin Luther King Jr was smart!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent

You use MLK and Gandhi the way Godwin's law abusers use Hitler in arguments...

[ollie10]

125. What is your opinion?

Do you think we should respect the humanity of someone in the hospital?

[ehrnst]

136. And we have the fallacy of the false dilemma!

That makes three fallacies in one thread!

With a little bit of attacking the strawman thown in for good measure.

If someone disagrees with you, NOW they are "disrespecting the humanity of someone in the hospital."

You asking me that question is another passive agressive implication that I don't.

I can't wait to see what you come up with next.

But you shouldn't get yourself too upset - it's not good for the thought processes. Please go take a walk outside - nature always gets me back to normal.

[ollie10]

138. No....the TOPIC of this thread is Melania

I would like to hear your views on the topic of this thread


I know you don't like me very much. And I know you are spending a lot of time venting your dislike for me and trying this noble quest of yours to debate my every word. Like anyone cares.

So, what is your view of dehumanizing Melania? Do you think it is a good idea? Or not?

[ehrnst]

145. You were the one who compared the OP to what a Russian or GOP troll would do.

I know you don't like me very much. And I know you are spending a lot of time venting your dislike for me and trying this noble quest of yours to make people validate your every word. Like anyone cares.

And you get in another little passive aggressive dig. You might as well just ask, "Do you think that obeying the law is a good idea? Or not?"

It's a cute little variation on the false dilemma, I'll give you that.

You're getting upset, I can tell.

My opinion is on this thread, and you can find it if you are actually interested.

[ehrnst]

116. Talking down to people like you are some sage, and they are a fool

is insulting.

Be the change, Ollie.

Be the change.

[ollie10]

118. Are you upset that I quoted Ghandi, King, etc?

I think they are wise. Just in my opinion. You are free to disagree.

Or are you just talking down to me?

[ehrnst]

124. You are talking down to people here

using the derailing fallacies I pointed out.

You like to whip out Gandhi and MLK as your "source of wisdom," when someone disagrees with you, no matter what the topic is, in an attempt to equate disagreeing with your words as disagreeing with the wisdom of Gandhi and MLK.

So, Ollie, be the change, like Gandhi says. Try not to be so defensive, be like MLK and turn the other cheek. I agree with them, and think they were pretty smart, so I suggest that you give their wisdom a try. It works for me. You'll be so much happier if you do. With time, you'll come to understand what you're really doing here, and be able to change, and you come to see things my way.

Think about it.



See?

[ollie10]

126. You are talking down to me here

But the bottom line is I quoted Ghandi and King and you seem to be upset that I did so.

I wish you didn't get so upset.

[ehrnst]

132. Yeah, acting like it went right over your head.

Be the change, Ollie, be the change.

Getting upset will not help you to unite people. Remember that - and take a break if you need to.

[ollie10]

135. You're the one who is upset

I simply quoted Ghandi and King. And you would think I had insulted your mother!!!!

[ehrnst]

137. Ooh, now we have a red herring!

And I'm not upset, YOU'RE upset.

You would think that I killed your dog, when all I did was point out your logical fallacies.

You really need a break.

I suggest meditation. Gandhi found it useful, as I have.

I think it will help you, too.

[ollie10]

140. Have a nice day.

Go ahead and get the last word you so richly desire.

I won't respond to it. So have at it. Enjoy!

[ehrnst]

146. Thank you, I will. I suggest that you take a nice walk outdoors.

Before you jump back on and try once again to convince people that you're a victim, persecuted for simply wanting to "unite" people - with condescending, head patting "you need to calm down" posts.

See you soon.

I suppose you'll be asking me if I think that it's a good idea to abide by the law, or if I think that killing someone is a bad idea, or some such laughable passive aggressive attempt to get me on the defensive.

[ehrnst]

160. Oh, are your ears burning?

This might be why.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=64492

[cwydro]

155. You sound upset.

Take a deep breath.

[ehrnst]

156. So I'm told...

[CentralMass]

69. I think of the photo at Barbara Bush's funeral where President Obama and Melania were smiling about

about something.. I think he set the bar.

[ehrnst]

148. So, if they disagree with you, they "don't respect human life."

Aren't you better than that?

That's not any better than the right wing calling women who terminate pregnancies, "baby killers."

And it's just as effective.

Continue with your passive aggressive goading of people in the guise of "trying to unite us" like Gandhi did, and you'll continue to get called out on it.

OK, now is it your turn to bring up how MLK would agree with you and not with anyone who doesn't agree with you?

(Psst... I don't think that either of those two really supported passive aggressive goading of people into anger. I think that they would put it up there with violent goading of people into anger. And I think they're both pretty smart. Really - read their work.)

[brooklynite]

58. If you have evidence, provide it; otherwise a lazy conspiracy theory

[Sophia4]

61. Kidney transplants mean 2-3 days in the hospital.

The operation takes 2-3 hours. Recovery time in the hospital is typically 1-3 days. Donors often are able to return to work as soon as 2-3 weeks after the procedure.

Occasionally the kidney needs to be removed through an open incision in the flank region. Prior to the use of the laparoscopic technique, this surgery was the standard for the removal of the donated kidney. It involves a 5-7 inch incision on the side, division of muscle and removal of the tip of the twelfth rib. The operation typically lasts 3 hours and the recovery in the hospital averages 4-5 days with time out of work of 6-8 weeks.

Although laparoscopy is increasingly used over open surgery, from time to time, the surgeon may elect to do an open procedure when individual anatomic differences in the donor suggest that this will be a better surgical approach.

https://transplant.surgery.ucsf.edu/conditions--procedures/living-donor-kidney-transplant.aspx

Of course, maybe she is having some other kind of treatment.

I hope she gets well soon.

[Ilsa]

101. I don't remember anything being said about a transplant.

Since you can survive with one kidney, I doubt she would be allowed a transplant unless both were failing***. There's been no prior mention of her having any chronic health problems.


***If both kidneys were failing, she would likely have been on dialysis several times a week.

[madaboutharry]

64. I don't think it is plastic surgery.

She is at Walter Reed. That isn't where she would go for cosmetic surgery. She would be in L.A. with some Beverly Hills doctor. She would just have gone MIA like she has on other occasions.

Either this was something more serious than was let on or they are outright lying about why she is there. My thought is psychiatric, but the truth is we will never know.

[Runningdawg]

85. I don't think it's plastic either

but it could be reconstructive - which wouldn't be done at fancy clinic. Poor thing just keeps falling down stairs and running into tables.

[smirkymonkey]

166. Good point. I think it is something psychiatric too, but I'm not sure what.

Could be a nervous breakdown, suicide attempt, prescription drug addiction, psychotic break, etc.

We'll probably never know for sure unless The Donald croaks and she writes a tell-all someday.

[struggle4progress]

67. Aneurysm? Angiomyolipoma? Arteriovenous malformation?

We don't know anything at all about what condition she has

She's the President's wife, at Walter Reed, so they'll be very cautious with her

[erronis]

68. Perhaps a new model brain implant to communicate with handlers?

The current model obviously had some adaptation difficulties.

I would think it would be cheaper and quicker just to replace her with a brand-new "model".

[samnsara]

70. oh yessssss......

[mercuryblues]

72. Her eyes are opened too wide

he's having those sewn shut some more.

[TlalocW]

73. Hinky

TlalocW

[sandensea]

74. My guess: an abortion.

It's well known she'll cheating on Cheeto (and who can blame her).

[CentralMass]

80. That thought crossed my mind. Or possibly an ectopic pregnancy

[B2G]

83. OFFS.

Really? You don't stay in the hospital for that for days either.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

95. She's 47. Probably not.

Anyhow, that's also an outpatient procedure.

[TNNurse]

75. Although I understand,

I get enough speculation on the news and talk shows.

I hope someone knows something and the actual facts will come out, but I cannot participate in speculation.

[loyalsister]

84. Even rich people have health problems

I see no reason to spend a second speculating, let alone coming up with a conspiracy theory. Beyond the birther comments, her role has been to stand in front of crowds under humiliating conditions. She's harmless and if public displays are any indication, not treated well. I hope she recovers and retreats from public life.

[struggle4progress]

103. +

[Hortensis]

110. Intelligence, good sense and decency in every line.

Of course, I'm biased. Agree with every word and sentiment.

[jmbar2]

88. Dental?

Revise dental implants?

[luc mont]

92. Yes

But frankly, I suspect domestic violence.

[lunatica]

94. Drumming up sympathy?

It’s possible.

She could have a real problem but they keep her in the hospital longer so people will feel for her.

But somehow I think Trump will surely do something that will make this backfire on him.

[whathehell]

104. Oh for fuck's sake..

Who cares?

[karynnj]

108. This is disgraceful. She is ill and is hospitalized. There is NO requirement for the First Lady to

disclose the details of any medical treatment, illness or surgery she may have had. I know that some like Betty Ford, Nancy Reagan etc have used medical issues they have had to use their prominence to get information out to people, some of whom might have early warning symptoms of the same disease. Even for those who do not rise to that level or who are not politicians, many have done this and it has saved the health or life of others. I KNOW women who blew off mammograms - who scheduled them after hearing about Elizabeth Edwards' diagnosis.

We have no idea what her precise medical issue is - and she has the right to her privacy if she so chooses. Many of the posts on this thread, not yours, suggesting battering by Trump, suicide, plastic surgery etc make us look both terrible. Imagine that this was Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton who were in the hospital. How would we feel if similar comments were made on the right. (In real life, we did have the RW suggesting that HRC was (and is) suffering from something terrible.)

I hope that Melania Trump is back in the White House soon and that this was no big deal. If there is a medical problem, I hope we are better than the Republicans who hoped that(either) Clinton's health would fail.

[ollie10]

111. IF I were a Republican or a Russian troll....

......I would pretend I was a Democrat and make light of Melania's illness.

Their goal is to divide us. And make us look bad. This sort of stuff accomplishes both.

[ehrnst]

127. So, you're calling people who don't agree with you being like "Russian Trolls?"

And your posts are doing little to nothing to "unite" and it sure looks like that's not your goal.

You enjoy trying to shame people who don't agree with you, which is the opposite of trying to be united.

Simply disagreeing with people is fine. Trying to make them believe that you are the embodiment of the ideas of Gandhi and MLK doesn't work.

You seem fine with trying to get a rise out of them, by telling them to 'calm down' when they aren't upset.

[ollie10]

128. No, didn't say that.

IF is not a difficult word to understand. It is only two letters.

Please, consult a dictionary!

[ehrnst]

131. You know people can read what you wrote, don't you?

IF I were a Republican or a Russian troll....

......I would pretend I was a Democrat and make light of Melania's illness.

Passive aggressive equating them with what you claim people are doing here.

Please, consult your posts before doubling down!

[ollie10]

133. I was responding to a poster who I agreed with

This was not an attack on anybody!

I used the word IF to say exactly what i posted.

You have a history of 1) following my posts like a blood hound, 2) mis-representing what I have said.

You haven't changed much, I see.

does this give you satisfaction in life?

[ehrnst]

141. I see that you have not changed, and still think that people can't see right through

passive aggressive, condescending attempts to goad them into attacking you, if you can't get them to validate your feelings.

Your posts are evidence enough of that - I only need copy and past your words. No misrepresentation needed.

Does this give you satisfaction in life?

[karynnj]

139. I agree with what was clearly his intended meaning -- that if he were a troll, writing

things like some have would be a way to make Democrats look bad.

Do you honestly think speculating in a nasty way on why a person is in the hospital is good? That's not the way I was raised or how I raised my daughters.

[ehrnst]

142. Yes. Contrary to what he/she thinks Ollie is no sphynx.

[ollie10]

130. Please, ernst, relax!

Nobody is shaming anyone. I was simply quoting Ghandi and King to add to the discussion.

And you are getting bent out of shape, more by the minute!

Surely you don't want to silence me and object to these icons being quoted?

[ehrnst]

157. Well, I would agree with you, except

that I believe in the teachings of MLK and Gandi, so I just can't. I respect human life too much. Attempting to shame people with passive aggressive comparisons to Russian and GOP trolls doesn't promote unity, people!

My hope for you is that you will find peace, and be able to validate your own feelings, instead of attempting to shame others into doing so.

You are fine the way you are! You might run into conflict here on DU, so until you are ready to deal with that, I recommend focusing on your breath, reconnecting with nature. That's not silencing you at all, my child.

That's simply imparting the wisdom of teachers like MLK and Gandhi to someone who might benefit from it.

Surely you can't object to that! Breathe, Ollie, breathe.

Namaste.

[ck4829]

144. Republicans have been dividing this country long before Russians were

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210621706

[ehrnst]

129. I don't have any real interest in her health problems or her personal life.

I just want her and the rest of them gone.

But yes, if Hillary even sneezed, the vultures would be carping that she's "too old and frail."

[karynnj]

134. I would like him impeached and gone, but still feel that it is unseemly to say many things said here

Just as I thought it ghoulish of the RW to translate every cough of HRC's as a symptom of some dread disease.

[ehrnst]

147. Yes, which is why I refrain from speculating on Melania's health. I'm not so self-involved

of judgemental as to tell other people that they shouldn't.

I don't think that it matters one way or the other to the future of the Democratic party, or our chances in November.

I don't see a need to scold people or try to goad them into attacking me, under the guise of "we need to all play nice or people are just not going to support us!!" like others here seem to.

[ck4829]

143. Gossip and intrigue is a "weapon of the weak", those who have no power can use them

Since we saw 65 million votes pretty much discarded like trash, we need a way to fight back against plutocrats, evangelicals, oligarchs, and pizzagaters ruining this country since voting alone is not doing the trick.

http://abahlali.org/files/Scotts-Weapons.pdf

[kskiska]

120. Leaky breast implants?

She'd need a whole new wardrobe if they had to be removed.

[ck4829]

150. Gossip and intrigue are useful, fight back against the pizzagaters.

[lapfog_1]

151. do we have any pictures of her entering the hospital?

I wondering if there was some sort of domestic altercation and she was hit... and needs to hide out until the bruises can be covered with makeup.

[UCmeNdc]

152. Yes

[samir.g]

153. She's getting her stepford chip upgraded

[applegrove]

168. I think they had to plan for a long stay in case there was a relapse

And they needed the space and hospital secured beforehand.