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packman

(16,296 posts)
Fri May 18, 2018, 11:33 AM May 2018

In Philadelphia, instead of a hotel Bible, this was to be found-




Whenever I find that obnoxious piece of religious propaganda in my hotel room, I make sure I point out in a handwritten note I put in it, the hypocrisy, the killing of innocents, and the savagery of the "good" book.
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In Philadelphia, instead of a hotel Bible, this was to be found- (Original Post) packman May 2018 OP
That's great. My great to the seventh grandfather signed the book on the right WhiteTara May 2018 #1
That's quite the pedigree! kag May 2018 #4
I'm from the Morris clan of Tinturn at Monmouthshire Wales WhiteTara May 2018 #34
hearing something like this really brings the history alive rurallib May 2018 #7
Me too - my 7th great grandfather BuddhaGirl May 2018 #10
We are quite a prestigious group! Maraya1969 May 2018 #27
Wasn't Alexander Hamilton Washington's aide-de-camp? hedda_foil May 2018 #31
Washington had many of them BuddhaGirl May 2018 #39
Thanks,BuddhaGirl. That's fascinating. hedda_foil May 2018 #43
Really? My uncle raised money for the army. WhiteTara May 2018 #32
Interesting! BuddhaGirl May 2018 #40
That is indeed a major claim to fame. byronius May 2018 #11
I'd bet DU has many descendants of the earliest Afro-European settlers DemocracyMouse May 2018 #25
So you got all the uppity genes, I'l bet! WhiteTara May 2018 #42
The real claim to fame is WhiteTara May 2018 #33
I loved the Ozarks when I was a kid. Gorgeous. byronius May 2018 #36
that's three things trump knows NOTHING about spanone May 2018 #2
You are correct! nature-lover May 2018 #13
That's because the copies in his hotel rooms all seem to be water damaged ProudLib72 May 2018 #44
Can't approve your notes, Packman, but I confess Hortensis May 2018 #3
Careful, that's the wingnut-annotated version the whackadoodle Bundy clan uses. trotsky May 2018 #28
Nice catch grantcart May 2018 #41
Great idea! procon May 2018 #5
Packman: I too have been guilty of vandalism SCantiGOP May 2018 #6
Wow, that's over the top. DemoHack May 2018 #8
ME-ANGRY-HELL NO packman May 2018 #16
When I'm bored in hotels... DemoHack May 2018 #24
*snort* sandensea May 2018 #37
I usually "liberate" whatever "literature"... NeoGreen May 2018 #9
That's an awesome sticker. byronius May 2018 #12
Right on! A danger to oneself - and our children sandensea May 2018 #15
That's the truth! Duppers May 2018 #29
You're a brave soul, Duppers. sandensea May 2018 #35
bibles for kindling kiri May 2018 #19
I now have a new slogan!... NeoGreen May 2018 #20
Very clever! BigmanPigman May 2018 #22
They day this is what we find under hotel room night tables sandensea May 2018 #14
I lost count of how many of the offensive tomes wound up in the trash when I was niyad May 2018 #17
But not state or commercial propaganda? LanternWaste May 2018 #18
i'm in Philly right now barbtries May 2018 #21
Can we start a "Gideon's Democracy" society? lagomorph777 May 2018 #23
LOL, you should leave a note about how black folks were considered 3/5ths of a person...nt ExciteBike66 May 2018 #26
From Wiki.. Duppers May 2018 #30
That's great! Most people have read those. nt Honeycombe8 May 2018 #38
Why would finding a Bible in a hotel make someone angry? IluvPitties May 2018 #45
It doesn't inspire anger DFW May 2018 #46
Because Christian dominionists broke separation of church and state sharedvalues May 2018 #47

WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
1. That's great. My great to the seventh grandfather signed the book on the right
Fri May 18, 2018, 11:52 AM
May 2018

and my great to seventh uncle wrote the final draft of the constitution.

They were much better role models than the bible people

kag

(4,076 posts)
4. That's quite the pedigree!
Fri May 18, 2018, 12:25 PM
May 2018

I read a book a few years ago called "Signing Their Lives Away". It had brief bios of every signer of the Declaration of Independence. Any chance you want to share your ancestor's name?

WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
34. I'm from the Morris clan of Tinturn at Monmouthshire Wales
Fri May 18, 2018, 08:13 PM
May 2018

Robert was not related to the family but he did raise lots of money for the army. Lewis and Gouverneur were my ancestors.

rurallib

(62,346 posts)
7. hearing something like this really brings the history alive
Fri May 18, 2018, 12:42 PM
May 2018

I am kind of awed. Bet you have some great family stories.

One of the most interesting things about this forum is the people that come here. We seem to have some who have great family history and many who are making history themselves.

Thanks for letting us know

BuddhaGirl

(3,586 posts)
10. Me too - my 7th great grandfather
Fri May 18, 2018, 01:02 PM
May 2018

signed the Declaration of Independence. He was also Washingtons's aide-de-camp.

Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
27. We are quite a prestigious group!
Fri May 18, 2018, 02:57 PM
May 2018

Not me though. I'm only 2nd and 4th generation here and I think my family were mostly farmers.

It would be very interesting to know though.

WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
32. Really? My uncle raised money for the army.
Fri May 18, 2018, 08:00 PM
May 2018

And being about the same size as Washington, uncle Govie stood in for his portrait and then Washington posed for the face.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
25. I'd bet DU has many descendants of the earliest Afro-European settlers
Fri May 18, 2018, 02:28 PM
May 2018

Chances are, if you're African American, your ancestors go back a whole lot farther than the late comers like Trump. You are more "American" than he is (by his "logic&quot .

My own great, great, etc., uncle was the (very annoying) Puritan John Winthrop, who was appointed the first "governor" of the "new" world – a downright fabrication which ignored the very established Native Americans. Thank goodness the creators of the US Constitution came along to minimize the damage created by all the religious nutjobs.

To be fair, my people came down from Winthrop's niece and she publically rebelled against him in court. It was in defense of Anne Hutchinson who preached a very loving "Gospel of grace" as opposed to the Puritans' "Gospel of works (i.e. rules)". Then later, of course, John and his nutjob base accused my great, great aunt of being a witch and she and her family (and her Native American herbal medicine partner) had to flee Massachusetts. Her daughter became a Quaker, another rebel strain in America.

Thank goodness for the other DU members' ancestors who helped my aunt put a stop to the Puritan strain! She and her kind would be dead without all the other resistors!

WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
42. So you got all the uppity genes, I'l bet!
Fri May 18, 2018, 10:59 PM
May 2018

What an interesting family. Yes, as immigrants to this country we were all fleeing from or to something. We were "the teeming refuse" and then we crowded out and killed the people who were here first.

Of course, we learned everything we could before we did that, but there is no doubt that we "wypipo" certainly have racial karma.



WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
33. The real claim to fame is
Fri May 18, 2018, 08:06 PM
May 2018

that I am direct (and along with my 4 sisters) am the last descendant of the line of Roderick the Great aka Rhodri Mawr, complete with the family crest. But truth is that I am an old woman living in the forest of the Ozark mountains and am no one special.

byronius

(7,369 posts)
36. I loved the Ozarks when I was a kid. Gorgeous.
Fri May 18, 2018, 09:13 PM
May 2018

Truthfully, we're all famous descendants of our common ancestor from the Veldt.

'Not that you live forever, but that you ever lived at all.'

spanone

(135,637 posts)
2. that's three things trump knows NOTHING about
Fri May 18, 2018, 11:54 AM
May 2018

the bible

the constitution

and the declaration of independence

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. Can't approve your notes, Packman, but I confess
Fri May 18, 2018, 12:04 PM
May 2018

I would approve buying a box of these (front and back of an unfolded booklet) and leaving one with each stay.

?

procon

(15,805 posts)
5. Great idea!
Fri May 18, 2018, 12:27 PM
May 2018

Print them as cheap as possible and encourage guests to take them, read snippets, learn a bit, educate themselves...its a win-win for all.

SCantiGOP

(13,856 posts)
6. Packman: I too have been guilty of vandalism
Fri May 18, 2018, 12:27 PM
May 2018

I have on a few occasions left a note on the inside cover: A book of fairy tales for the old, the ignorant and the desperate.

Since there was a note on the book offering for me to take it with me I figured I could write a note in "my book."

 

DemoHack

(90 posts)
8. Wow, that's over the top.
Fri May 18, 2018, 12:46 PM
May 2018

Anger issues! 😉 No one reads those Gideon bibles anyway.

However I do love the idea of a US Constitution instead!

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
16. ME-ANGRY-HELL NO
Fri May 18, 2018, 01:17 PM
May 2018

More in frustration that anyone would believe and have faith in that nonsense

However:




 

DemoHack

(90 posts)
24. When I'm bored in hotels...
Fri May 18, 2018, 02:25 PM
May 2018

I completely screw with the bibles too! Total hypocrite. Lol

I usually write the liberal passages on the inside cover from that commie, Jesus.

NeoGreen

(4,030 posts)
9. I usually "liberate" whatever "literature"...
Fri May 18, 2018, 01:00 PM
May 2018

...I find in the drawers of my hotel rooms, since they explicitly state they are not hotel property.

Here is another option:
http://shop.ffrf.org/ffrf-pride/stickers/bible-warning-labels

sandensea

(21,530 posts)
15. Right on! A danger to oneself - and our children
Fri May 18, 2018, 01:13 PM
May 2018

Devoutly religious people are far more likely to mistreat their children, and of course to support whatever war the Cheneys of the world concoct for profit.

Wars always seem to have a "holy" feel to overly religious people.

Duppers

(28,094 posts)
29. That's the truth!
Fri May 18, 2018, 03:58 PM
May 2018

I'm the black-sheep offspring of such ignorant, sadistic parents. But there has been nothing sheepish about my stance against their southern baptist religion, patenting style, and damn brainwashed republicianism. Once I could get out from under their control.

These people are the underlying downfall of the country and partly the world. They're the core of the rethugian party. They are the global warming deniers. They are the child abusers who pass on their sickness, in too many cases. They are the non-thinkers who need a sky daddy because they don't have the intellect or courage to do the hard work of thinking.

Many people would sooner die than think; In fact do so."
- Bertrand Russell



sandensea

(21,530 posts)
35. You're a brave soul, Duppers.
Fri May 18, 2018, 09:11 PM
May 2018

I lived in Mississippi for a few years, and have known a few people with stories not unlike yours.

So many people, as you know, become embittered by the mistreatment their parents (usually the father) put them through. Some, though, become better.

That, I dare say, is you.

kiri

(786 posts)
19. bibles for kindling
Fri May 18, 2018, 01:37 PM
May 2018

I and several friends collect these bibles and burn them in our fireplaces. They make good kindling, demons--if any-- go up in smoke, and later occupants are saved from much nonsense.

I always thank the gideons for the warmth they provide for free.





sandensea

(21,530 posts)
14. They day this is what we find under hotel room night tables
Fri May 18, 2018, 01:10 PM
May 2018

is they day we'll know this country has finally changed for the better.

Of course, there will still be all the other challenges; but we'll finally be going in the right direction again.

niyad

(112,440 posts)
17. I lost count of how many of the offensive tomes wound up in the trash when I was
Fri May 18, 2018, 01:17 PM
May 2018

traveling. damn, I was reallllly clumsy.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
18. But not state or commercial propaganda?
Fri May 18, 2018, 01:19 PM
May 2018

"Whenever I find that obnoxious piece of religious propaganda in my hotel room..."

But not state or commercial or economic propaganda, both of which being guilty of the same abuses you single out religion for; and are as prolific as, if not more so, than religious text.

I get it, though. Some propaganda we have a bias against; while yet other propaganda we rationalize as part and parcel of our personal/cultural/career/national identity to better soothe our souls.

It's important we hold two different standards for a single concept, else we may be confused for someone allowing critical thought consideration.

barbtries

(28,703 posts)
21. i'm in Philly right now
Fri May 18, 2018, 02:11 PM
May 2018

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will try and remember to check my room.

that's cool. i have a gideon bible and the book of mormon that i retrieved from hotel rooms. my thinking is they must want them to go to people. however i never got past i think it was halfway through leviticus in the torah and fear i may never get around to reading these.

i won't steal these though if they are in my room. i have them on my phone.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
23. Can we start a "Gideon's Democracy" society?
Fri May 18, 2018, 02:17 PM
May 2018

Make this a common practice? Go around replacing buy-bulls with more substantive documents?

Duppers

(28,094 posts)
30. From Wiki..
Fri May 18, 2018, 05:10 PM
May 2018
Thirteenth Amendment, passed in 1865, had already eliminated almost all persons from the original clause's jurisdiction by banning slavery; the only remaining persons subject to it were those sentenced for a crime to penal servitude, which the amendment excluded from the ban.)

After the Reconstruction Era came to an end in 1877, however, the former slave states subverted the objective of these changes by using various strategies to disenfranchise their black citizens, while obtaining the benefit of apportionment of representatives on the basis of the total populations. These measures effectively gave white Southerners even greater voting power than they had in the antebellum era, inflating the number of Southern Democrats in the House of Representatives as well as the number of votes they could exercise in the Electoral College in the election of the president.

The disenfranchisement of black citizens eventually attracted the attention of Congress, and in 1900 some members proposed stripping the South of seats, related to the number of people who were barred from voting.[11] In the end, Congress did not act to change apportionment, largely because of the power of the Southern bloc. The Southern bloc comprised Southern Democrats voted into office by white voters and constituted a powerful voting bloc in Congress until the 1960s. Their representatives, re-elected repeatedly by one-party states, controlled numerous chairmanships of important committees in both houses on the basis of seniority, giving them control over rules, budgets and important patronage projects, among other issues. Their power allowed them to defeat federal legislation against racial violence and abuses in the South.[12]


Dang!!!!


Yet the buybull has many passages about the rights of slave owners and commandments for slaves. The religious southern states used those to their advantage.




IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
45. Why would finding a Bible in a hotel make someone angry?
Sat May 19, 2018, 06:28 AM
May 2018

It's like finding a telephone book, a local guide or something: relevant for some, irrelevant for others.

Check the beds, make sure they are comfortable and clean, and don't sweat the small stuff. Life is too short.

DFW

(54,057 posts)
46. It doesn't inspire anger
Sat May 19, 2018, 06:50 AM
May 2018

But I do find it insulting. It's like an assumption that the guest is better off with it than without it--a rather arrogant assumption. It implies that it and no other book is what provides comfort and or wisdom. I know exactly NOBODY who has even opened a bible in a hotel room, and I know almost only people who travel. A telephone book is of use, a local guide to first time visitors is definitely a plus. In Philadelphia, the Constitution is some of the most relevant locally produced writing anywhere.

But a Bible? I've never heard anyone say they have looked into one placed into their hotel room, even Christians. I wouldn't want to find a Koran or the Book of Mormon, either, for that matter. The notion that the hotel management knows better than I do what I want to read while staying there is one I just don't agree with.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
47. Because Christian dominionists broke separation of church and state
Sat May 19, 2018, 08:27 AM
May 2018

The problem is not the Bible or the Christians.

The problem is the way some Christians have used their religion for politics.

If all Christians embraced separation of church and state I’d be happy to let them practice their religion as much as they wanted.

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