The hardest thing I've ever had to do

[backtoblue]

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My brother is psychologically deficit. He has cluster A and B traits, antisocial behavior, bipolar, and Aspergers. It's not fair that he has been tortured by mental illness his whole life .

Yesterday he had a complete raging psychological breakdown. I convinced him to go to the hospital to get help. I'm afraid he is capable of hurting others. He has become increasingly violent over the past few years.

I received a call from the doctor today. He is being institutionalized. She said he was a danger to himself and society and would not be released back into the public society.

I am crushed and this hurts deeply. It was necessary, but my soul aches like never before .
I took away my own brothers freedom. I am his sister and he, my only brother.

To any other DUers who have dealt with someone mentally challenged, I want to say I understand the pain.

I will try to follow up on this at greater length soon, when I'm able.

[meadowlander]

1. So sorry that you and your family are going through this

but it sounds like the best outcome for everyone involved for the moment.

[backtoblue]

9. Yes

I feel he is capable of committing a horrendous crime. The right thing just hurts and doesn't seem fair.

[hlthe2b]

2. your situation is heart-breaking...

I have nothing but empathy for you and hope you can find peace in knowing you've done all you can.

[MicaelS]

3. I empathize with your pain.

But, the mental health professional community today works wonders.

[malaise]

4. A close friend has a brother who is bipolar

He always reminds us that it could have been him and not his brother - it's very painful.

[backtoblue]

20. We're only 15 months apart

But we've always been night and day. I always tried to protect him from being teased in school. I just can't be the one to fix things now that we're adults and he's become so volatile.

[aikoaiko]

5. Yes, it is sad, but its not over. Institutionalization can be a big help.

Reentry into society is possible.

There are no guarantees, but at least you can know that he is reasonably safe and that others in the public won't be hurt.

[Blue_true]

61. Or his brother get killed by a cop or gun owner. nt

[Victor_c3]

69. Yes, that is true

being in a hospital setting for a little while really gives staff the chance to opportunity to tweak and figure out medications and other issues that could impact his thinking and various disorders. I have personally seen how one medicine can turn a guy from a screaming, yelling, and incoherent disaster who can't keep his clothes on into a guy who is outwardly normal and actually able to participate in conversations.

You make a great point, hope is not lost. An improvement in this guy's quality of life is not beyond hope. These things aren't easy and sometimes take a while, but hope shouldn't be lost.

[RandomAccess]

6. Think of this

You didn't take away his freedom. You prevented him from harming himself or others. You may have given him a real chance. The doctor's reaction to this scenario proves that you were the right person at the right time and in the right place. Thank heaven you were able to convince him to go in. You're a hero.

I can imagine your anguish must be terrible, but I hope you'll be able to see what a positive thing -- in the overview -- it really was. If he was a danger to himself or others, he might have ended up in prison (or dead, of course). That's not exactly what most people -- including your brother -- would think of as "freedom."

Be kind and understanding with yourself. Mourn and grieve if you want but also please focus on the positives -- they're very strong in this instance.

Big hugs.

[backtoblue]

12. Thank you so much RA

Those are such kind words, and the very things I needed to hear. I truly felt you compassion and love. Thank you for this.

[RandomAccess]

13. You're so welcome

And thank YOU for letting me know my words were appropriate for you. Means a lot.

Sending more hugs and good thoughts.

[pnwest]

18. Echo RandomAccess. Your actions are rooted in love and compassion, and there

was nothing better to be done. And echo also "be kind and understanding with yourself". Don't beat yourself up, you did the right thing, which often IS the hardest thing you'll ever have to do.

[calimary]

38. Beautifully put.

Difficult things to weigh, but it sounds to me like this decision was the right one. Indeed, likely the only one.

Wonderful thoughts, RA.

[happy feet]

49. I too echo Random Access

Couldn't have stated better. Hopefully, once your brother is stabilized, you'll have the opportunity to be part of his recovery. If you haven't please go to nami.org and find an affiliate organization near you. They have tons of resources depending on size of the local affiliate. Look to see if they offer a "Family to Family" 12 week education session for those like yourself i.e. family members of loved ones with mental illness.

This class changed the way I understood (actually misunderstood) mental illness and gave me the tools to effectively support and communicate with my loved ones.

I know it's wrenching but you've given your brother the gift of love and a chance at 'recovery' whatever that may mean for him.

[Thunderbeast]

79. NAMI Family to Family

is one of the most effective sources of information about mental illness. It is free. It is taught by volunteers. Our FTF cohort met for years after the class to share our frustrations and successes.

My son was suffering from psychosis and addiction for years. He is now succeeding in his recovery. He is sober and working.

Hope, support, and positive relationships CAN help with recovery.

Finally:

TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF! You can not help him unless you are healthy in body and spirit. Do not let his illness consume you. Guilt will do nothing for your brother.

[kchamberlin25]

51. Ditto

[yardwork]

83. I agree. Professional health care providers made the decision.

The OP did the right thing.

[Caliman73]

7. I am sorry for the pain that you and your family are going through

Doing what is best for someone and for society is often difficult. Having worked in mental health and having family members with mental health challenges, I can understand the very real, gut wrenching pain that you feel when you have to decide between liberty and safety. I have had to hospitalize people and have had family members be hospitalized. There often seems like there is not a good answer and everyone loses, and you have to try to console yourself with protecting others.

It is one of the things that angers me about society and priorities for funding. We need more research into mental health and better ways to deal with emotional and behavioral problems, but it seems that it is not a priority and often just used as a way to explain people away.

I hope that your brother can get good treatment to be at peace and hope that you and your family see better times.

[Hortensis]

16. Yes. And in the meantime, everyone is alive and safe.

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A couple hours after I left a very quiet, courteous gentleman, after inspecting his home to appraise it, his wife came home and he killed her and himself. Their children arrived home from school and found them. A preplanned suicide and murder. I don't blame myself, but... He was very quiet, stayed away from me the entire time, and had no questions. What else, that I missed?

You did what was needed for everyone. Involuntary holds aren't done lightly.

[Kindnesscostszero]

8. Love heals all things

Be kind to yourself. Resist casting blame. It is what it is, and your brother is now in a place where he cannot harm himself, or others. Breathe. You will get through this. Your actions came from a place of caring ... what an admirable thing. The easier path would have been to deny/look away/shut out the reality that you had the courage to face.

[backtoblue]

14. I truly understand what others go through now.

In every mass killing, I have always thought "how could their family let this happen. Someone should have said something!".

Taking action was the most gut wrenching decision I've had to make up until this point.

[infullview]

37. I feel your pain. My brother also had issues.

My brother started out bipolar and later became paranoid schizophrenic around the age of 27. He was in and out of institutions and at one point was incarcerated for trying to burn a building (the voices told him to do it). He was lucky he had a family that was able to see to his needs and make sure he took his meds.. Anti-psychotics are very hard on the body, though, and he died very young at the age of 47. It hurt like hell to lose him twice, once to mental illness and again to death.

[Straw Man]

10. I'm very sorry.

Someone very near and dear to me suffers from mental illness. She has asked me to contact her family to take steps toward hospitalization if she should start to exhibit dangerous behavior. I live in fear of this ever coming to pass, and I can only begin to imagine how hard this must be for you.

Nevertheless, you did the right thing -- in fact, the only thing you could have done, given the circumstances. There's a difference between knowing this intellectually and knowing it emotionally, but trust that the gap will narrow with time.

[a kennedy]

11. I'm so sorry........

But you did the right thing.......

[Maraya1969]

15. I wouldn't feel so bad about this. I've been in psychiatric hospitals several times and it is not a

bad place to be. You meet very interesting people. And you develop friendships quickly. I never felt lonely in an institution but I've felt lonely living on the outside.

Plus they can probably help him a lot.

You did the very best that you can do for him right now. I know my illness caused my family to suffer. My mom went to some group for families. That is a thought.

You have a good heart, I can tell. Be easy on yourself.

[backtoblue]

17. Maraya you made me smile

My humor has gone all dark, lol.

I suffer from PTSD and major depressive disorder. And I'm the same one in my family right now!

[Maraya1969]

33. Glad I could help a little

I have a lot of funny stories from those places.

[Kirk Lover]

19. You did this out of LOVE, not malice.

[greatauntoftriplets]

21. I'm so sorry that you're hurting.

But, as others have said here, you've done the right thing. It takes strength to do this, because at this point, it sounds like the best thing for him. He's getting the help he needs.

[world wide wally]

22. It won't do anyone any good to blame yourself for this.

You did the right thing and you have given your brother a ray of hope.
Take some deep breaths and think positive.

[WillowTree]

23. Though we haven't actually had to institutionalize.......

........we have two family members who have had pretty serious mental health challenges and I know the heartbreak and devastation you must be facing now. But know that, in spite of the difficulty, you absolutely did the right thing for your brother and everyone else. I will keep you in my prayers, and in the meantime, be sure to give yourself a break and be particularly good to yourself. I'm sure it doesn't feel like it, but you done good.

[ejbr]

24. Prayers for him

And your family

[geardaddy]

25. Oh my god, that is truly awful.

I hope your brother can get the help he needs and that you don't beat yourself up too much.

[pnwmom]

26. You did not take away his freedom, anymore than if you sent him to the hospital

to treat a broken back.

His multiple illnesses took away his freedom, and his doctors are taking care of him in the best way they know.

Imagine how you'd feel if you hadn't sent him to the hospital, and he had acted out, and hurt someone else in the process.

You were between a rock and a hard place. But the bottom line is that his lifelong illness was what took away his freedom -- not you.

I am so sorry for your loss. I know you're feeling it deeply, and that's because you LOVE him.

[marble falls]

27. This is one of the few times someone can say "I know at least a bit of what you're taliking...

about" and not be trivializing what someone else is going through.

I had to have my high school sweetheart institutionalized when she suddenly developed paranoid schizophrenia.

It was a period of time that I was almost alone all the way through it. She was finally permanently hospitalized about six years ago, this all started in 1973.

The only thing that kept me going was how terribly worse it was for her. I never felt so alone and have so many bad moment to remember. At the same time I had an infant son, too.

If you ever need someone to talk to, to just listen because you and I both know there are no good answers, please use my e-mail or phone which I'll send to you on PM.

Bless you for being your brother's advocate.

[Jopin Klobe]

28. "I took away my own brothers freedom." - no, you did not ...

... you wanted to help him and this is the only way ...

... and you more than likely saved him, yourself and others from pain and possibly worse ...

... you did the best that you could do and the best that can be done is being done ...

... you are the greatest family and friend that he has ...

[still_one]

29. You had to do what was necessary. Very sorry what you are going through

[catrose]

30. We've had this with family members

Sadly, they were let out and later killed themselves, at least confining the tragedies to our family. Thank you for protecting him and others, despite the pain.

[Moostache]

31. All my best wishes for you and your brother in a horribly unfair situation...

Life is random and at times excessively cruel, but I was glad to hear your brother will at least receive some help that may save his life or the lives of others.

I truly hope you and your brother get a break from life and a happy ending; in the meantime, I thank you for having the courage to act when many others would look the other way or pretend to not notice things until it is too late.

[Bondor]

32. sympathy

I used to work at a psychiatric hospital, where we had to do that sometimes. Hoping they quickly can get him functional and safe again. I understand they have made strides with the medications.

[Mike Nelson]

34. Freedom...

...means different things to different people. I was in this position, too. While my decision wasn't singular, I joined in supporting the initialization of someone. With medication, he is out for supervised visits. He thanked several times. His mind is more free, now. He has friends, and a life, which he did not have previously.

[DownriverDem]

35. Don't Blame Yourself

It appears that you have done all you can to help him. Just think how you would feel if he had hurt himself or others. Where he is now he will be watched and taken care of. I am so sorry for your pain, but please don't blame yourself.

[Joe Nation]

36. The sad reality is....

Our mental health system in this country is crap. The bright spot in your situation is that you did the right thing for your brother and the people in his life that love him. If you want to do something that will help both your brother and yourself, become his his greatest advocate/champion. The mental health system only works if someone like you is watching, and I mean continuously. Don't take the "experts" word for anything and at the same time realize that sometimes they do give good advice. You have to learn to recognize the difference by educating yourself and talking to others in the same situation. We learned with my son that the most valuable resource was other people going through the same thing. We made it through and learned a lot in the process. Hang in there and get active. It's a long, long road and it's a journey not a race.

[sellitman]

39. You are a person I hold in high esteem.

What you did was hard to do but absolutely the right move.

Someday soon I hope your brother is well enough to understand this.

Hat tip and hugs

[cate94]

40. Mental illness sucks

And it is very hard on family members. You did the right thing, and the responsible thing. This way your brother can get help. If it’s the bipolar issues causing his volatility, they may be able to get him back on track in a short time.

My sister is bipolar. We had to do an intervention to get her help. It was a horrible time. When she was released she didn’t want to take her meds. However, she had no money and was about to lose everything. I offered financial help on the condition she took her pills. She hated me for a long time because I was such a “controlling bitch”, but I felt it was the only way to help her.

Hugs to you. Thanks for helping him.

[calimary]

41. Thank you for sharing this with us, backtoblue.

I’m certain it’s been hell to have to deal with and carry this burden. And always second-guess whether you did the right thing.

You DID. You took the best course possible and didn’t do so lightly or casually.

[kozar]

42. Please Don't feel guilty.

I have been lurking in the halls of DU for a while. But, you're story moved me to register and reply.
I have worked in mental health field for years, primarily as full disclosure because I adopted a mentally challenged young lady 7 years ago, who is my world.

Tess put me into the professional world of mental health care, which I worked in for 6 years now, one of the biggest obstacles we deal with is guilt as you are having from family. It is normal.
We as professionals in my case have worked through this many times. My advice to you would be, accept the guilt, ( at some point as I am 57 yo now, I will not be able to care for Tess and will have to do same). Then, and this is big, become part of his life with the professionals, your brother is not gone, he has just gained a trained support group that can make his life so much better. Please be a part of that.

Your decision appears to be right and I am proud of you to have the strength to make it. We will keep you in our thoughts!

PS Enjoy all the DU forums and thoughts and discussions. Hope my little 10 cents of experience can help backtoblue

Koz

[Leighbythesea]

55. Welcome to

DU. Officially!

[backtoblue]

85. Thank you so much for your kind reply kozar

DU is such a caring community and I'm glad you're here.

Welcome to DU, my friend. Thank you for sharing your story too. It really does help to talk about it.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

43. It can get better...

Don’t count on it cause it may hurt you, but I was there and came out from the dark side.

No I probably can’t help you. Dig deep and trust yourself.

[BadGimp]

44. thoughts and Prayers for your brother and yourself

[Uncle Joe]

45. Peace, strength and healing to you and your family

Thanks for sharing backtoblue.

[sarge43]

46. Your brother wasn't free; he was trapped by illness.

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The longer he suffered the tighter that trap became.

If he suffered from a chronic physical condition like severe diabetes, you would move heaven and earth to get him medical help and the possibility of returning to a full and reasonably normal life.

You saved his life and gave him hope to be free of that trap.

Don't beat yourself up; you did the right and compassionate thing. You are a good sister and a good friend.

[secondwind]

47. Please don't be so hard on yourself. You did the right thing, you knew you had to do something.

I hope he receives the best care and attention that he needs.

[sarah FAILIN]

48. My cousin became a paranoid schizophrenic in his 30's

The whole family tried to get him treatment and he was put into a psychiatric hospital several times by a judge. He would get better on meds and they would turn him loose at which time he would quit taking the meds. We were afraid he was going to kill his neighbors because he was focused on them. We didn't think he would kill himself, but that is what he did inside 4 months of the onset. His brother went to his home to check on him and saw him as soon as he opened the door.

You may have saved your brothers life. Don't beat yourself up about it.

[Ilsa]

50. I'm so sorry. I am glad that he

at least has a place to go where he is safe. I have learned recently that not all institutions can handle persons with violent behavior if they are on the autism spectrum like my family member is.

[Mrsmoodle]

52. Very sorry

I had a brother with similar challenges, although he was timid not violent and often taken advantage of. It’s not easy. Be kind to yourself.

[lunasun]

53. You did the right thing for everyone. If your brother was well enough he would tell you himself

[samnsara]

54. im sorry... i hope he gets better soon.

(((hugs)))

[sinkingfeeling]

56. I'm sorry for you.

[tomp]

57. I feel for you. Remember...

...you did what any caring family member would do for their loved one. I'm guessing you tried everything else you could think of before you took this step. And I'm sure you're going to continue to offer support. You have nothing to feel guilty about.

Also remember, it's not you who took your brother's rights away...it was the doctor, whose job it is to make determinations about safety and sign legal forms to the effect that is necessary. You should feel good that the doctor agreed with you, indicating that someone who sees this all the time agreed with your assessment.

Whenever possible psychiatrists seek out family members for their assessment of the patient and take great stock in what people who know the patient well think about the situation. They should also work with on whether you think he's ready to leave and what kind of support he will have after discharge.

I believe you did the right thing. So does the doctor.

[TNNurse]

58. You have acted out of love.

It is painful but you were concerned for his welfare and that of others. It was hard but it was loving.

[DFW]

59. You might well have just saved his life and that of a few unknown people as well

If that is any comfort to you, I don't know. Maybe not yet, but it will be.

[Blue_true]

60. One of my brothers, a Vet had constant mental episodes.

He alternated between depression and rage.

Don't feel bad about what happened. Your brother is in the right place. I witnessed an episode between a mentally ill guy and a cop recently and was praying (and I am not religious) that the mentally ill guy calmed down and stopped the pacing and wild movements, or that the cop kept his distance and his cool. Fortunately the cop was calm and professional and no one died. If your brother stayed out of an institution, that mentally ill man could have been your brother and the cop a hothead that have a low threshold for using lethal force.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

62. backtoblue, it is not fair in many ways..

* Most dramatically, it is not fair to those of us who suffer these afflictions. I never suffered from depression until my mid-50s and my life has been changed for the remainder of my days. Many dreams, aspirations, and relationships are lost. However, I cannot comprehend the degree of sadness your brother is suffering from his losses.

* It is not fair to the friends and family of those who suffer. These diseases also impact those around us, as our value to them has been diminished. And as in your case, some severe forms of mental illness can be hell just to witness and it becomes a heavy mental and physical burden to everyone with an emotional connection.

* It is not fair that our society looks down on and demeans people with mental illness, even in the most benign cases.

* It's not fair that our society is not willing to push our political system to fully support and fund research and treatment for these conditions. We instead sweep mental illness under the rug of society and like criminals, try to hid us away from public view. Many sufferers are actually jailed rather than being properly institutionalized.

We wish you and your brother well and please take care of your own health. I'm sure he appreciates you more than you'll ever know. I hope one day he is able to return to some degree of freedom and happiness. Please keep us posted on his progress and your own well-being.

.......

[The Mouth]

63. My father suffered from Dementia

Having a JD degree and a rather impressive gun collection, it made things ... interesting in my young life.

[The Wizard]

64. Whenever tough decisions are made

someone gets hurt. Sometimes it's those making the decisions and others it's all involved. Fair is a four letter word that starts with F.

[Rollo]

65. I've also had to deal with a family member requiring psychiatric help...

It was difficult, scary, frustrating, and sad. But I'm proud I didn't walk away from the problem (I could have) and she eventually got the help she needed.

Hang in there.

[TygrBright]

66. You may well have saved your brother's life.

And made it possible for him to find freedom in the future.

Be kind to yourself.

Difficult as this time is, it opens better and kinder doors than had you done nothing.

Those of us who suffer from mental illness, when it is overwhelming our brains, may believe we know what's best for ourselves... at least, that is what our dysfunctional brains are telling us.

We may rage and rail against the ones who love us who are doing their best, with loving and more functional brains, to give us better chances.

But very often once we get the help we need, we are profoundly grateful.

encouragingly,
Bright

[pazzyanne]

67. I am so sorry!

Your brother got hit with a triple whammy in the mental diagnosis area. Each by themselves is a challenge for the person and he is affected by three. You did the right thing, and that took caring and courage. You will never know for sure that you saved not only your brother's life but possibly the lives of other. He is where he can get the best and consistent help. Praying for you both, backtoblue.

[Honeycombe8]

68. I'm so sorry. But he'll get help there, right? So it's a good thing...

in the end it's a good thing, right? You did the right thing.

I can't imagine what it's like for him and for you and others.

I hope he gets better soon.

[Victor_c3]

70. Mental health issues almost always get worse when left untreated or innadquately treated for long

I personally have been hospitalized a number of times over the last couple of years. For one reason or another, I usually spend a chunk of the summer in the psych ward. I've been hospitalized at least 7-8 times that I can think of since 2014 and have been to 3 different hospitals, so I've been through it a decent amount.

From my own personal experiences, they aren't really all that bad of a place to be. It can be frustrating with the limited access to telephones and contact with family (no internet or computer access either), but at the same time that is part of good thing about it. You can just let everything go and literally the only thing to do is sit, relax, wait, and process and think about stuff. It is definitely harder on my wife and kids when I'm hospitalized than it is on me. To be honest, I could spend the rest of my days in a setting like that and be perfectly content. My fear of being placed in a nursing home when I get old is gone.

If you are able to bring things to your brother, he might really appreciate some good books or some puzzles of the 1,000 piece variety, and a deck or two of cards. I found that puzzles are a great way to socialize and make friends in those places. People come over to see what you are doing, they see a piece or two they think they know where they go, then they end up chatting, joking, and sitting with you. The same with cards (assuming he knows how to play spades). I don't know what rules they might have regarding bringing in outside food, but the thing I really missed was a greasy burger and cheap Chinese food. Institution food sometimes isn't the best and gets old fast.

Really, there are a lot of worse places and situations your brother could be in. He's safe and will be taken care of in a hospital setting. I mentioned this in a post burried somewhere above this post, but the situation isn't hopeless. Given time, proper medication, and treatment, it isn't a forgone conclussion that he'll be there forever. Just let him know that you are thinking about him and care about him and be sure to take care of yourself.

You did the right thing here. I hope you can see that.

[WhiteTara]

71. His brain wasn't letting him be free and now

he is safe and so is society. You did the right thing. Let your sleep be healing. He will get the help he needs and you will live to tell the tale.

[BobTheSubgenius]

72. You may have contributed to his current loss of freedom, but doing nothing wasn't possible..

How much more would you have regretted the physical violence that you saw looming? Once an episode like that starts, the ending is not predictable, and could be just awful.

You have to know you did the right thing.

[TeamPooka]

73. You protected your brother, your family and anybody he might have hurt. It is not easy. Get some

rest. It will get better.

[Glamrock]

74. First of all, sorry blue. What an awful situation to be in.

Second, he made the decision. You gave him guidance based on love. You didn't take away his freedom. If he's been institutionalized, it was necessary. He may have hurt himself,someone else, or you. Hopefully, you'll come to terms with this given some time. I understand why you'd blame yourself, but really, you shouldn't. If mental health professionals made the decision, it was warranted. I wish I had some profound thing to say to make you feel better, but I'm just not that guy. I will say that if you don't feel better about it in a week or two,maybe see a counselor. Talking through this stuff can make worlds of difference.

[randr]

75. Your brother is a prime candidate for marijuanna therapy

Seek and you may find.

[backtoblue]

82. In Arkansas, it's "legal" for medicinal purposes

But it's been tied up the past two years since we voted on it and isn't ready to go yet.

You are correct. When he would smoke weed, he was calm, funny, and much easier to be around. With him it's not a cure-all, but it definitely helps his torment.

[jimmil]

76. This sounds all to familiar.

My brother was a classic schizophrenic almost his entire life. From his early teenage years until his death at 45 years he was in and out of hospitals and jails. No one wanted him and no one could handle him. He really needed to stay in a mental hospital environment permanently but new laws said we could only keep him in there for three months a year. They had no idea what they were doing to those who can't help themselves. They found his body in an alley.

[MaryMagdaline]

77. I am so very sorry

My older brother was schizophrenic and I have a cousin whose son is also schizophrenic. Both have/had violent tendencies when psychotic episodes occurred. Please, please do not punish yourself for doing what you can to protect your brother and others. In their rational states, they would never want to harm anyone.

[mopinko]

78. my son is a ticking time bomb. you did the right thing.

i wish i could do the same for my son, before he gets hurt, or someone else does.
i tried everything, but he refused to get help.

i commend you for finding a way to handle this. it is soooo hard.



and btw, you might want to post here- https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1151

[backtoblue]

81. Hi mopinko

I took my brother in to his counselors office while he was in a rage. Other attempts at getting him help failed because I got him calm before bringing him there and no one took it seriously.

I will be thinking if you and your son. Mental illness isnt fair and it does not discriminate. Thanks for the link, I'd forgotten about that group.

Hugs and comfort to you and your son.

[mopinko]

84. had the cops take him to the er twice.

they wanted to keep him, but he refused meds, so they didnt want to bother going through the work of committing him if he wasnt gonna cooperate.
i get that, i understand how frustrating it is when people refuse to try to get better, but i think 30 days might have changed his mind. i dont know. but i think 30 days w/o weed might have helped a lot.

it is a frustrating time when we know so much but also so little.
his paranoia gets the better of him, and he swallows all conspiracy theories and other bs. he thinks if he takes meds he will snap. which is why you do it in the hospital. but no, that makes sense.

anyway, again, props for getting that done. it is so much harder than people think.

[dembotoz]

80. you did the right thing

the doctor agrees he can not be in open society

Be sure to take care of yourself......
you got him the help he needs
you are protecting him and others.....


again
be sure to take care of yourself