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Buried in the NYT piece about the Texas school shooting - incredibly relevant and sadly unsurprising (Original Post) kpete May 2018 OP
Kick and recommend for visibility of this impt point bronxiteforever May 2018 #1
K&R 2naSalit May 2018 #2
Women are the first target. Corgigal May 2018 #3
Careful loyalsister May 2018 #17
What? Corgigal May 2018 #22
Most of the victims were women. pamela May 2018 #4
I noticed that as well. LisaL May 2018 #5
me too Demovictory9 May 2018 #19
Part of the incel phenomenon. Mix in some bullying and we get this disaster. marble falls May 2018 #6
Its good Melania's on the case against bullying. Not Laura PourMeADrink May 2018 #11
Much, much more pissed-off with her asshat hubby than with Milania regarding the gun craziness. marble falls May 2018 #20
Hell ya! But I find her disturbing too :) Laura PourMeADrink May 2018 #24
K&R Solly Mack May 2018 #7
A rather important detail dalton99a May 2018 #8
He shot his ex-girlfriend and her friends. yardwork May 2018 #9
Kole Dixon sprinted out a side door. Jim__ May 2018 #10
Not defending Abbott, but OldHippieChick May 2018 #12
You're right. I had heard it was Abbott. Jim__ May 2018 #13
What a great idea. Especially if there is a fire. LisaL May 2018 #14
Yes, true oxymoron is OldHippieChick May 2018 #15
Or, a hurricane. Or, a flash flood.... KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #18
I know I sound like a broken record but, mountain grammy May 2018 #16
Well said, and can't be said enough Devil Child May 2018 #21
Louis C.K., wasn't it? RandomAccess May 2018 #26
Margaret Atwood mountain grammy May 2018 #33
Well, I wasn't too far off RandomAccess May 2018 #36
I had to look it up because I wasn't sure. mountain grammy May 2018 #37
I didn't know that, but I found it strange that he chose to shoot up an art class. smirkymonkey May 2018 #23
Apparently the girl wasn't his girlfriend but someone he wanted to be his girlfriend. LisaL May 2018 #25
Update from her mom: kpete May 2018 #32
In the linked Chronical article, there's a pic of a couple grade school kids Kittycow May 2018 #34
Why ISN'T that a huge part of the discussion RandomAccess May 2018 #27
Not Ex GF, just someone he wanted to date. Shouldn't taint her life when she actually had better bettyellen May 2018 #28
Yep, sounds like his motive was revenge because the girl rejected him. LisaL May 2018 #31
Another "lovesick boy," as the media likes to describe them. ehrnst May 2018 #29
Couldn't get a girlfriend, but could get a gun gratuitous May 2018 #30
Almost too furious to even talk about misogyny anymore... Guilded Lilly May 2018 #35

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
3. Women are the first target.
Sat May 19, 2018, 09:43 AM
May 2018

I remember that Vice Nazi ride along, it always begins with women, then race or any other thing.

Men claim it's not, they will bring up some bs logic, but it's about sex and they believe they should have sex with what they believe they should have. Animal husbandry classes might need to be taught in high school. Biology works for a reason, and you need lots of resources to raise a child. It factors into sex selection, even if you don't want a child.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
17. Careful
Sat May 19, 2018, 12:24 PM
May 2018

Gene selection is the basis of the US eugenics movement that was used as a model for elimination of an ethnic group. Buck vs. Bell.... Carrie Buck was sterilized without her consent because of a presumed likelihood that her genes would produce degenerate offspring.
Women were targeted as potential mothers of genetic expressions of both parents. Particularly genetic expressions of race & pysical, behavioral, and intellectual defects.The application of animal husbandry was applied to humans through policy in the US. Nazi Germany used the same ideas to justify their hate and mission. What began as a partnership between the American Breeders Association and believers in genetic superiority led to genocide. The ideas behind it all have not gone away. Intentional gene selection is happening. I think animal husbandry policies should be left to non human animals.
BTW, eugenics was once taught in the US as advice for women.
Thus, we have done what has been suggested, and we should be cautious with ideas regarding biological superiority among humans

Jim__

(14,075 posts)
10. Kole Dixon sprinted out a side door.
Sat May 19, 2018, 10:49 AM
May 2018

Of course, if we followed Governor Abbott's idea, there wouldn't have been a side door.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
18. Or, a hurricane. Or, a flash flood....
Sat May 19, 2018, 12:27 PM
May 2018

There's no way the fire marshal, much less the insurance actuaries will allow fewer doors. Egress standards are well defined science and carved in stone, primarily for escape of any possible fire situation.

More secure doors perhaps, but highly unlikely they will allow less.

The Texas politicians pulled this out of their ass.....

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
16. I know I sound like a broken record but,
Sat May 19, 2018, 11:54 AM
May 2018

Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
36. Well, I wasn't too far off
Sat May 19, 2018, 11:08 PM
May 2018


Thanks.

Louis CK either repeated it, without attribution, or said something so similar it was almost indistinguishable. I could probably dig up the video.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
37. I had to look it up because I wasn't sure.
Sun May 20, 2018, 12:36 AM
May 2018

Saw it a long time ago and it struck a chord with me. Never forgot it.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
23. I didn't know that, but I found it strange that he chose to shoot up an art class.
Sat May 19, 2018, 04:17 PM
May 2018

I guess this explains why. I am so sick of men and boys who feel entitled to women's lives and bodies.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
25. Apparently the girl wasn't his girlfriend but someone he wanted to be his girlfriend.
Sat May 19, 2018, 07:40 PM
May 2018

She kept turning him down. She was the first person killed, so I am pretty sure that's the same girl the student believed to be shooter's ex-girlfriend.

Rodriguez says: "He kept making advances on her and she repeatedly told him no," but the advances got more aggressive.

https://www.chron.com/news/texas/article/The-Latest-Hospital-says-2-school-attack-victims-12927719.php?ipid=happening

kpete

(71,984 posts)
32. Update from her mom:
Sat May 19, 2018, 08:52 PM
May 2018

Shana Fisher "had 4 months of problems from this boy," her mother, Sadie Rodriguez, wrote in a private message to the Los Angeles Times on Facebook. "He kept making advances on her and she repeatedly told him no."



Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
34. In the linked Chronical article, there's a pic of a couple grade school kids
Sat May 19, 2018, 09:28 PM
May 2018

looking at the memorial table at the community potluck.

I wonder if they are feeling scared it could happen to them next. I wonder what words their parents are using to reassure them.

"Jesus will protect you? I will protect you? The police will protect you? The teachers will get guns and protect you? I'll get you a bullet proof vest? It won't happen twice here?"

What do you tell your kid standing there at the memorial table while they watch everybody crying and hugging at the potluck because a bunch of kids got murdered at school again?

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
27. Why ISN'T that a huge part of the discussion
Sat May 19, 2018, 07:45 PM
May 2018

It needs to be.

Perversely, it reminds me of what the cops say when men kill their ex-girlfriends or estranged wives: no motive has been established.

What?? The motive is: If I can't have her, she doesn't deserve to live. And I'll take care of that.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
28. Not Ex GF, just someone he wanted to date. Shouldn't taint her life when she actually had better
Sat May 19, 2018, 07:46 PM
May 2018

judgement than to date him.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
29. Another "lovesick boy," as the media likes to describe them.
Sat May 19, 2018, 07:46 PM
May 2018

Jesus.

Male privilege. She owes him validation, or he destroys her world and everything along with it.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
30. Couldn't get a girlfriend, but could get a gun
Sat May 19, 2018, 07:46 PM
May 2018

10 more human sacrifices to our national religion, the High Church of Redemptive Violence.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
35. Almost too furious to even talk about misogyny anymore...
Sat May 19, 2018, 10:19 PM
May 2018

but it is so deeply ingrained in a lot of males, we HAVE to address it and make those males accountable for it.

Some use bullying to combat it, some-denigration, some-very subtle patronizing, some-calculated campaigns of lies/character assassination but...way too many-use hideous violence.

Entitlement violence. Revenge violence. I-own-you violence. Sexual violence. Threatened by feminine strength violence. Controlling violence. Maim beat pummel kill violence. From weakness and insecurity comes the most vicious attacks, physical and verbal.

Those who practice it in any form are the biggest open threat to every female on the planet, every day.

We can’t ignore it.



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