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His parents,Christina and Mark Rotondo, are pictured on the right. They say they have been trying to kick him out of their house for months
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Get out! Judge sides with parents trying to evict their unemployed millennial 30-year-old son from their family home after he refused to pay rent or do chores
New York State Supreme Court Judge Donald Greenwood ordered Michael Rotondo, 30, to move out of his parents' Camillus home on Tuesday
Christina and Mark Rotondo have been trying to evict their only son for months
They wrote him five written notices, when he failed to pay rent or contribute in the household, but he refused to move
Michael claimed his parents had not given him enough time to move out, despite their multiple notices and offers of money to help him get a new place
He is unemployed and is locked in a legal battle with Best Buy who he says fired him for not being able to work Saturdays
A New York judge has ordered a 30-year-old man to move out of his parents' home - after the couple tried and failed for months to get their deadbeat son to fly the coop.
At a Tuesday hearing, which lasted about 30 minutes, New York State Supreme Court Judge Donald Greenwood sided with Mark and Christina Rotondo of Camillus, New York.
The couple have been trying to evict their unemployed only-son Michael for months because he refuses to pay rent or contribute in any way around the house.
Michael argued in court on Tuesday that legal precedent allowed him six months notice before his parents could kick him out. The judge pointed out another case that nullified that previous decision, and called six months an 'outrageous' amount of time to ask for. Michael responded that it was 'outrageous' to evict him.
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mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)Now I have heard it all.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)anything for him to live there.
Pretty lame.
mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)After grad school I lived with my folks for three months while I found work. I painted every room in the house, fixed the garage window, finished the bay window and walls and did all the chores they asked of me.
The look on his face reminds me of the look Skerelli had when he increased prices on the epi pen by 700%.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)on his own and have to grow up
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)what a leech
and he has a son . . .
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Most states are very clear in this area. Seems he argued on a past case when there was a more recent one setting new precedence.
B2G
(9,766 posts)MariaCSR
(642 posts)John Fante
(3,479 posts)Funny, whenever a miserable old right-winger goes on a racist rant in a supermarket, nobody feels compelled to point out that they're a baby boomer.
canetoad
(17,150 posts)Did they mention how much their house cost? They usually do.
Demovictory9
(32,448 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)John Fante
(3,479 posts)It's like saying "the 31-year-old atheist" of the "31-year-old liberal". It's pointless to the story.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)He is an adult living rent-free in his parents home. There are many news stories about Millennials freeloading in that way. So, the millennial tag is also relevant. Parents have no legal duty to support their adult offspring. Many do, but there is no legal reason that they must.
My parents told me I was on my own when I was 19, since I had dropped out of college, so I made my own way. I thank them for that.
Perhaps this story bothers you for some reason. I don't know...
John Fante
(3,479 posts)No matter how you spin it.
Aaron M. Schlossberg (AKA: the racist lawyer) is a Gen-Xer. Have you seen any articles pointing that out?
"There are many news stories about Millennials freeloading in that way."
Anecdotal evidence. Weak.
catsudon
(839 posts)i do remember gen-x being crapped on all the time before millennials (x were called slackers and mtv-generations). and then before that, it was the baby boomers. don't worry, it will move on to gen z soon when they grow up and become infamous for something new, perhaps for mass shooting.
btw:
Gen Z, iGen, or Centennials: Born 1996 and later.
Millennials or Gen Y: Born 1977 to 1995.
Generation X: Born 1965 to 1976.
Baby Boomers: Born 1946 to 1964.
Traditionalists or Silent Generation: Born 1945 and before.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)appalachiablue
(41,123 posts)for a while now with the sweeping negative generalizations. Enough, already!
Some say there are also attempts to divide generations, pit one against another for gain. I see evidence of that too.
Boomer here
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To add, just finished this story, wow. He is one stubborn pest to his parents.
brush
(53,764 posts)liberalhistorian
(20,816 posts)early forties. Not sure what that would make him generation-name-wise, but it does put him beyond the millennials.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"millennial 30-year-old son"
That said, this is a bit redundant.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)It's their home, his name is not on the title. Not seeing why they went this far more expensive route.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)As person staying in the house for a period of time.
So changing the locks would have probably been some sort of crime.
His smackable face informs me he is the type to have learned this law and how to abuse it.
Probably a gifted student who never learned how to work.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Otherwise, parents throw their kids out of the house all the time. If he was a minor, I'd understand the problem.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,324 posts)If you live somewhere for a certain amount of time, often 30 days, that place becomes your principal residence. Unlike a short term residence like a hotel that can evict you without much notice (or change the locks).
Seems fair. A thirty day notice should be given. The courts dont want people made suddenly homeless without warning.
Just because parents do it all the time that doesnt mean it would stand up to legal review if it made it to court.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)In most cases a lease isnt required for a person to have to be evicted.
If they have at any point provided and money or labor in in exchange for staying or paid any bills of the household it establishes residency, regardless of the cost existence of a lease.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)So anyone I invite for the weekend who helps with the dishes can park their ass on my sofa and force me to court? I Amy never allow
anyone to stay with me ever again. You think you're doing something nice and it turns out you can be horribly taken advantage of.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)One we saw all the time was this person was down on their luck so I let them crash here for a few weeks and they gave me a few bucks, but now I want them gone. Or this is my boyfriend hes been sleeping here and paid some bills but we broke up and I want him gone.
In NC staying a weekend wouldnt be enough, but in some states it may.
Dont ever let a guest have mail sent to your address while they stay there. Thats one standard used by most states. Some also look at the degree of control over the space, if they had a key, if they had access to cooking space, etc.
Bottom line is be cautious if offering someone space to crash for a while and know where your state draws that line.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)On the mail and key thing. I swear none of this ever occurred to me. NY is a notoriously tenant friendly state - it often takes up to a year to evict someone even if they're not paying rent but the thought that someone not on the lease has this kind of power is unnerving.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Were cases where it was a couple that split, and the one not on the lease or deep refused to leave out of spite.
Staying just enough in their face to be a total annoyance, but not doing anything that rises to the level to be able to get a restraining order and kick them out.
Ive seen more than one jilted ex stay in a home the 30-90 days it took to evict them.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)If someone is staying in your home even a night and they gave you any money or did any work in exchange for that they are at that point a tenant in most states.
Once they are a tenant then a full legal eviction is required.
Let your cousin crash on your couch for a few weeks and he gave you $20? Gotta evict him now.
Let your boyfriend crash at your place and he paid a power bill for you? Gotta do a full eviction now.
It varies in detail by state, but most follow that formula.
One of the most common situations I dealt with as a deputy, the I want him/her gone from my house/trailer/apartment and people didnt like when they learned it wasnt that easy.
ooky
(8,922 posts)They weren't working, weren't cleaning up after themselves, or their dogs. They hadn't asked me if she could sleep over. They watched TV all day, ate my food, and left their dishes in my sink and on my side tables. Then one night as I was clearing their dishes from my living room he told me I was in the way of his view of the TV and asked if I could do that later. And that did it, they were on the street with their dogs 10 minutes later.
Didn't cost me a dime of court cost, and yeah, I probably violated some of their "rights". Somehow in the moment that didn't seem important to me.
Of course, I also knew they would go to his mother's house.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)That is not what happened in this story.
ooky
(8,922 posts)communications and offers of grace periods and cash assistance.
liberalhistorian
(20,816 posts)why you did that and it was the right thing to do. But it's not the same as what happened here, they kept trying to get him to leave and he refused to do so, for months.
ooky
(8,922 posts)I was actually responding to a post that questioned why they couldn't just change the locks instead of taking their son to court. I was agreeing taking their son to court seemed a bit over the top, but at the same time acknowledging the frustration of those parents as I have experienced a similar situation (lazy adult kids at home). Hopefully that makes more sense, as I was not trying to equivocate their experience with my own, although apparently came across that way.
tblue37
(65,318 posts)had to get the court behind them to make him do so.
He will undoubtedly drag this out through appeals, though, while he extends his freelancing career.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)kicking them out. You didn't mention their ages but this ADULT was clearly taking advantage of his parents and if he had the coin to go to court, he could take care of himself. Honestly, forcing your parents to court because you're a lazy slug only makes him look worse.
gay texan
(2,440 posts)ooky
(8,922 posts)Finished college, has a job, bought a home, and raising his own daughter. He's doing very well now. We are very proud of him.
rurallib
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So apparently he must have a kid somewhere?
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)And he SURE AS SHIT DOESN'T FUCKING ROLL!!!
Get that Kraut Burckhalter on the Phone!!!
Demovictory9
(32,448 posts)LisaM
(27,801 posts)He has weapons???
hunter
(38,310 posts)I wonder if he's one of these guys:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10181082311 (Warning: Guns and nudity.)
tblue37
(65,318 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and he can't kick a little back to mom and dad??
lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)He'll go psycho.
dhill926
(16,336 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)MariaCSR
(642 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The reason they publish a local interest Syracuse, NY story like this is because they think it makes liberals look bad.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It's even in the UK Guardian.
No they made a 30 y/o squater look bad, thats about it.
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)Demovictory9
(32,448 posts)Judge praises 30-year-old son's legal research, boots him from parents' house anyway
Syracuse, NY -- State Supreme Court Justice Donald Greenwood tried everything he could today to convince a 30-year-old man to move out of his parents' Camillus house on his own.
But after half an hour of back-and-forth, primarily between the son, Michael Rotondo, and the judge, the judge had had enough:
Rotondo would have to move out, the judge ruled. He also ordered adult protective services to investigate, expressing concern about what was going on.
That order capped a surreal 30-minute court appearance in which Rotondo didn't deny that his parents had given him multiple orders to leave their 408 Weatheridge Drive home. But Rotondo wasn't going to leave without a legal battle.
Since the story was first reported on Syracuse.com, it's captured attention both nationally and internationally, with outlets such as the New York Post, Fox News and the BBC covering the case. The court fight made the Late Late Show with James Corden. A half-dozen camera crews covered today's court appearance.
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)His grin made me laugh my butt off!
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Damn hippies!
justgamma
(3,665 posts)Dr. Phil has been having the same cases on his show for years.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)From the linked article:
"... he couldn't work Saturdays due to a court visitation schedule."
Guessing he doesn't pay child support,
due to being unemployed.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)himself. It sounds like he hasn't even made an effort and is an enormous burden on his parents. What a pathetic loser! He probably spends all his time playing video games and on alt-right/MRA websites. Blaming everyone but himself for his predicament.
Oneironaut
(5,492 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)who was just sent to jail for fraud.
They look alike.
tblue37
(65,318 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,080 posts)property. End of argument.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)1). Got evicted, came here with the sad story, we took him (plus his girlfriend and her 4 year old daughter) in, under the agreement that it was temporary, and that he would pay $100 a week plus half the electric bill.
2). He got into conflict with me in the first month, telling me I needed to "get a real job" (I have a real job, I am a Web Designer) and that this was "my MUTHA'S house," not OUR home.
3). Three months in, he skipped paying us, and one week's worth of the money went to his girlfriend bailing him out of jail due to assault charges that were filed at a party he attended.
4). By the end of the third month, it was clear that the new job he'd been talking about since moving in was never going to happen.
5). At the start of the fourth month, he was working two days a week. The rest of his time was spent on the sofa watching TV and drinking beer. He informed my girlfriend he would not be paying her any more money and that she should go fuck herself.
6). Because she is his mother, it was like pulling teeth, but I convinced her to evict him. He taunted us, saying "Go ahead and try. It will take you three months and I won't pay a penny."
7). It actually took ONE month. We sat there...my girlfriend and I, the son and his girlfriend, and the judge asked him how long he needed to move out. He said "Six weeks." The judge gave him ONE week.
8). His final words to his mother before moving out were "Go fuck yourself and die alone."
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and tries to atone and rebuild the relationships of the people he's hurt... If he never sees or hears from his mother again that's a horrible final note to leave on...
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)He got arrested a second time for assault. They got into a drunken punching match while driving.
You can see the status of people who have been arrested online. We saw that he had gotten out on bail. I immediately called the cops and said "He's coming here."
The cop showed up. We showed him a photo. He said "I think I saw a guy who looks like this at the end of your street."
The cop filled out a "no trespassing" order and sure enough, down the road comes the prodigal son. The girlfriend had knocked out 6 of his front teeth during the fight.
The cop handed the order to him and told him that if he set foot on the property he would be arrested, and that the order does not expire.
He was actually here to see some friends of ours who are staying with us, but he stood at the edge of the driveway.
He came back one more time after that. We threw a fit and told our friends that if they need to see him, go meet him somewhere else.
MariaCSR
(642 posts)I'm interested in an update lol
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)See above for an update. He's working with a bail bondsman and supposedly is "going into a program." He is living in a house three miles away, which made me throw up in my mouth a little when I found out about it.
MariaCSR
(642 posts)I hope he keeps his distance.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)dembotoz
(16,799 posts)wife went thru this with abusive brother who lived with his grandparents.
elocs
(22,566 posts)[link:http://
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Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Regardless of whether the dude has always lived there, or just moved back "temporarily" a couple years ago, the parents also need to have their asses kicked for enabling this little shit for so long...
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)My Mom puts up with my 56 year old meth addicted sistershe lives in a mother in law behind my Moms house. Ive tried telling her to leave a couple of times, because shes a giant asshole. My Mom doesnt want to go through the eviction processeven though she wasnt supposed to move in in the first place, but she also doesnt want to see her daughter on the street.
This Dude looks like he suffers from Libertarianism and a keyboard warrior addiction. Probably an incel MRA.
mainer
(12,022 posts)I noticed this in the article:
Guessing he's not only a gun collector, he's also an incel.
Paladin
(28,252 posts)Way to go, parents.
hunter
(38,310 posts)Does he end up sleeping in doorways and pissing in the stairwells of parking structures?
There are few safety nets in the U.S.A..
That's one thing that makes parents reluctant to evict grown children. You can throw a kid in the river to "teach" them how to swim, but there's a risk they'll drown.
My wife and I are blessed that our kids didn't bounce back home after they graduated from college. They wanted to be off and on their own.
We're also blessed our kids didn't live my reckless version of being "on my own" as a young man, at least so far as I know.
It took me nine years to graduate from college and I was "asked" to take time off twice for mental health issues. There were times I lived in my car, squatted in empty apartments ready to jump out the window if I heard a key in the front door lock, lived in the garden shed of a PTSD Vietnam war vet, and survived a David Lynch version of My Big Fat Greek Wedding, thankfully without the wedding because we broke up for good when I jumped out of her moving car in Berkeley.
But I did have a safety net. A couple of times I crashed hard, hard enough to end up back with my parents or sleeping on my brother's sofa, but I always knew it was temporary.
My own thought experiment about this story is "What would happen to a guy like this on Star Trek Next Generation earth?"
He'd probably end up living in a comfortable little cubicle, eating inexpensive replicated food, being visited by concerned social workers every day until he couldn't stand it anymore and decided to do something else.
And if he didn't, then oh well, society benefits by his minimal presence. It's less expensive to house him than our current system of prisons and street people bouncing in and out of hospital emergency rooms.
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Hassin Bin Sober
(26,324 posts)bitterross
(4,066 posts)I'd feel bad for them but I can't help thinking they are, in the end, responsible for his upbringing and his screwed-up value system.
nini
(16,672 posts)One of brothers turned into a freaking narcissist monster. We were all raised the same. Sometimes people are just assholes.