Indiana middle schooler returns to class with 2 guns, shoots peer, teacher

[Civic Justice]

Indiana middle schooler returns to class with 2 guns, shoots peer, teacher:

I'm sick and tired of hearing these kids killing classmates, and fact is, this continues to be "white boys", and the articles keep saying the same things... "that he was apprehended without him being wounded or what ever".... That's pathetic.

[link:https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/|Number of mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and February 2018, by mass shooter's race and ethnicity
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Police can accost and shoot black people for absolutely no reason, but every time they catch one of these Murderous Young White Boys, they don't shoot them. And then follow it up with some Bull-shet about mental condition. Hell no, they are Evil murderous little monster's !!! Period. Nobody wants to hear three days of media spin about some mental issue. he was and he is a premeditated murderous mad person lusting to kill people.

These people they shoot are innocent people... and these little asshole get to walk out alive... Its insane.

Yet, police shoot black people after (the police) has agitated and escalated the situation with yelling, cursing and screaming and demeaning people trying to provoke a reaction of self defense in respect of themselves as a person. Then the police want to then claim the person was being aggressive.

We've seen it over and over with police having people slammed to the ground, an keep yelling, and further agitating the situation after they have the person down, all so they can say the person is resisting. We saw it too many time, where police set it up to be an agitated situation and then pull their gun and shoot the person.

yet, these little white boys, shoot up multiple people and they want to handle him with cotton ball mitten, and go into the spill of "oh, he was such a good kid", and all that crap. Nope... the sob was a PREMEDITATED MURDERER !!!!!!

Ask any of the parents who lost a child to one of these little monsters, or ask kids who's parent is a teacher who is killed by one of these little monsters. They know!!! These little monsters are "Murderous Killer's"... lusting to kill someone !!! guaranteed they are not trying to sanitize it with some crap about mental illness, and making excuses because he's not a social butterfly, or because he is anguished because some little girls did not give him the attention he craves. or he can't live like some little white kid in a TV Commercial or some of the all white TV sitcoms.

Enough is Enough, people better get over the assumption that just beause the kid is white, that every excuse is used to try and sanitize the fact he killed innocent people.

We've see black people who were innocent and was killed for absolutely no reason, other than historical prejudiced mentality about black people, by police that function from a Jim Crow groomed mentality that is systemic over many many centuries and decades.

Time and time again, we see white murderous killers, walk out and never get even slammed to the ground, we saw that with the Murderous Killer, who killed those people in the movie theater in Denver, and he had on combat gear, and still they treated him with soft touch kid gloves. We saw the same things with the Murderous Killer who shot those black people in N. Carolina.

At some point white people are going to wake up to the fact of the young white male killer's in their midst and actually, call them what they are.
Just a day or so ago, a 26 yrs old white female killed her grandmother with a damn hammer and a knife, because the grandmother took her out of the will, and the 26 yr old had ran up over 10k of debt on a credit card, with no means to pay it off, of which she knew she could not pay it when she charged the card up to that level.

Then there's the 30 yrs old, who won't respect his parents to get out of their house and telling the media he feels entitled to be there using up their utilities and laying around free without trying to pay them compensation.

The we saw the white attorney in New York, degrading the Spanish speaking people, and he only issued an apology when his bigoted racism took a toll on his wallet. Then he wants to claim he is not the bigot the world saw him being. If he has not lost his office and his clients he would still be the same bigoted racist he displayed in the video captured of him being so.

Yet, in this site, people get quite when such truths come out, and silence and aims to sanitize this stuff, only cause more and more of these people to do more and more killing and mayhem madness.

How many more before people wake up... guess people forgot about the one who killed his mother on Easter, or the other one that killed his mother beause of some fast food order.... or all these people killing babies.

Again, look at the real FBI Stats....

Then there is these hate groups of vile inhumane madmen.... too many groups member grow up with this crazed stuff in their minds. its not some random isolated outlier...people better start looking at the connections that feed and breed this madness.

We can now turn on the TV and see the depraved mentality in how so many TV commercials are scripted with full on absurdity and ignorance, used to sell any kind of product one can imagine. The concept of dignity is lacking severely, and that absurdity and ignorance is translating into general public, to the point that now they want to glorify each other for being mass killers of innocent people... all because they can't be the character of historical white dominance, where other patronize them. They can't digest that era of vile and stupidity is over... They need to learn and be taught how to live in Civil Society with respect for and of other people.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Are you suggesting that all white school shooters should be shot on sight by the police

instead of apprehended and tried? Or are you just advocating that black men should not be shot by the police? I don't think anybody should be shot by the police absent the most extreme circumstances; I think anyone, regardless of race or gender, who is committing a serious crime should be taken into custody without getting shot, and should be afforded all due process. Isn't that how our system is supposed to work?

[Civic Justice]

4. That's how the system "SHOULD WORK", but tell that to the people shot for a busted tail light

or tell that to their family.

If some asshole goes in and shoot up innocent kids at school... I have no sympathy for him if he is shot dead on the spot. The same for people who shoot up their entire family.... or people who go to a job and shoot up their co-workers......

I believe in the justice system where the justice system is needed.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Shooting people on sight is not my idea of "civic justice."

[Civic Justice]

6. I bet you'd change your mind if they were shooting up YOUR kids in a school....

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. No. If it's possible to arrest someone instead of killing them

they should be arrested.

[Civic Justice]

10. I hope you take this VOCAL position the next time the police pull their guns on unarmed black people

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. I have, and I do.

Philandro Castile was killed by police three blocks in my city, three blocks from where I grew up. I am as outraged as anyone else by the way black people are treated by police. But the solution to that problem is not the killing by police of white kids.

[Civic Justice]

21. you are purposefully being obtuse....

I did not say anyone should kill anyone just because they are white.... I said... Kill the Premeditated Murderous Killer who kills their classmates. They happen to have been predominantly white.... is there something you don't understand of that fact. Geez!!!!!!!


I don't care what color they are, if they kill up their class mates, I have no sympathy if they are shot and killed. Now, you can try and twist that any way you want.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

22. I am not being "obtuse," purposefully or otherwise.

I did not say you were suggesting someone should be killed because they are white; but you did seem to imply that the cops should just go ahead and kill school shooters because they're evil. If it becomes absolutely necessary for the police to shoot someone to prevent them from killing someone else, the law considers that action to be justified. However, if the cops shoot a person under circumstances where it is not necessary to save someone else, or even themselves, that's just murder. The cops would be making themselves judge, jury and executioner. That happens too often in cases involving black men and it should never happen to them or anyone else.

I don't believe in the death penalty, ever, for anyone.

[Civic Justice]

24. You said: I don't believe in the death penalty, ever, for anyone

Well, that is your choice and right to believe that. I however, see issue of some mad crazed evil premeditated murderer killing other kids, does deserve the death penalty, and if they are caught at the location with weapons they used to kill people, then ..... take the same posture and mentality they take when they decide to shoot black people. When they shoot black people they claim, "he had a gun"... that's all they generally say.... Yet, when its a white kid with a gun, they want to find ways not to take the posture and mentality to shoot them as a first mindset of thought.

This stuff goes all the ways back to the Jim Crow, of "shoot first and don't think later" when it comes to black people, but when it comes to white people, It's "oH', they're white, they can't be a threat"... bullshit!!!
I posted the link to FBI Stats. and the facts tell otherwise, that they not only can be a threat, the frequency of their killing habits show they are a threat and many times have carried out that threat and others are dead because of it.

Hell, the world saw John Hinkley shoot President Reagan, and years later he is allowed to go home on weekends or whatever. If he'd been black.. He'd have been made dead, and then the word would be that "all" black people are of some criminal killer mindset. IF they had not killed him on the spot, he would have been given the death penalty, and the execution would have taken place in record time.

White people have been killing people for 100's of years in America and its sanitized away, especially if they kill someone black. Now, people as your speaking is saying, if they kill up other young innocent kids, they should not themselves be killed.
But many people who speak like you, when it comes to black people, they whine and cry about the cost of incarceration, and lean to either killing them on the spot, or the death penalty... but no one is saying anything about the cost of incarceration for white people when they cost the system just as much to house and provide for in prison.

The ideology of "white privilege" is getting a lot of white people killed by other white people, and then the attitude is, "SANITIZE IT BY ANY MEANS"... and the default go to is, "they have a mental issue"... or they were distraught because of this or that. White history in America is full of "murderous types within their ethnic group"... from mass murder, to abducting and dismembering women, killing the family and for 100 yrs they killed black people and made a party for doing so, where they brought the kids to a hanging like it was party in the park...
Police have been getting away with it for more than 100 yrs, and now "cell phones is busting their asses"... even then the first thing "white people say is"... "we did not see what led up to it". Yet, you come with some script about they should not be judge, jury and executioner, yet, that is exactly what they become when it comes to black people, and they do it to to unarmed black people, many who are accosted based on some Jim Crow ideological concept of if they are black they must be guilt of something.
Again, when truth and facts show the expanse of crimes and types of crimes by white people, seem to fill up the FBI list and the TV movies can't make enough shows based to cover all the "real life" killing methods that are engaged by white people.

Only when some white persons killing habit comes to ones individual home do they suddenly wake up.... and acknowledge the killer as a murderous evil killer.
We just saw the mad man and his evilness drive into a restaurant and kill his own daughter, and the first they they say, is he has been having challenges and depression.. Hell no... He was a premeditated evil killer, who did kill, but again, to try and sanitize it, they follow it up with bullshit about how much he loved his daughter, which proved not to be true, because he purposefully drove that car in an killed her, and thank goodness he did not kill the grandchildren at the table too.

If he'd been black there would have been more than 100 bullets fired into the car and his body "on the spot" !!!!! killing his as dead as dead can be !!!!!!!!!!!!! and the follow up with have been how violent and malice minded he had been over x period of time. Not, some crap about he was just depressed.

Here's truth: FBI Stats

Arrests, by Race and Ethnicity, 2016

In 2016, 69.6 percent of all individuals arrested were White, 26.9 percent were Black or African American, and 3.6 percent were of other races.
Of arrestees for whom ethnicity was reported, 18.4 percent were Hispanic.
Of all juveniles (persons under the age of 18) arrested in 2016, 62.1 percent were White, 34.7 percent were Black or African American, and 3.2 percent were of other races.
Of juvenile arrestees for whom ethnicity was reported, 22.8 percent were Hispanic.
Of all adults arrested in 2016, 70.2 percent were White, 26.2 percent were Black or African American, and 3.6 percent were of other races.
Of adult arrestees for whom ethnicity was reported, 18.0 were Hispanic.
White individuals were arrested more often for violent crimes than individuals of any other race and accounted for 59.0 percent of those arrests.
Of adults arrested for murder, 52.0 percent were Black or African American, 45.4 percent were White, and 2.6 percent were of other races.
Black or African American juveniles comprised 52.0 percent of all juveniles arrested for violent crimes. White juveniles accounted for 58.4 percent of all juveniles arrested for property crimes.
Of juveniles arrested for drug abuse violations, 74.8 percent were White.
White juveniles comprised 64.7 percent of juveniles arrested for rape and 60.2 percent of juveniles arrested for larceny-theft.

I care just as much about not seeing young white kids killed in schools, just as much as I care about not seeing any ethnicity of kids killed in schools. I equally care as much about not seeing black people killing other black people, as I care about not seeing white people kill other white people... and I care as much about not seeing blacks kills whites, as I care about not seeing whites kill blacks. PERIOD!!!! I damn sure don't care to see people "killing the entire family" !!!! Regardless of what color they are, and I damn sure don't care to see people "killing their co-workers"...

I got no problem with seeing the person who mass kill a volume of others or killing their family being killed.

Anyone who mass kill others, has no business in this society.... nor should we waste time spinning in the court system so it can make profit for the legal system workers. Mass Killers of Other People, has no right to life, after they have taken that right from a mass volume of other innocent people... and that is an opinion. I don't personally get to decide who lives and who dies.

[Demsrule86]

28. +1000 When when we call for the summary execution of children, we lose our humanity.

I am personally opposed to execution in any form. Recently, I was called for jury duty. I said I was willing but would never find a person guilty as our criminal justice system is seriously flawed and our prisons are disgrace...really a crime against humanity. The judge berated me , but I held firm. The DA excused me. It wa not a ploy to escape jury duty, I truly believe this.

[Civic Justice]

33. I believe in the merits of Justice, but a Mass Killer of Others, fits a whole different spectrum

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It's no level of justification that can appease or excuse it and call that justice.

I'm not for summarily nor in general an advocate of execution, but I certainly can discern the matters where it is for the justice unto society for such to take place. "The Supreme Court evidently Agrees, because they re-enstated support of the Death Penalty.... If you got an issue, Go, talk to the Supreme Court.

i.e. you mass kill a lot of people... !!! one mass kill their entire family...!! someone rapes, beat and kill a senior citizen...!!
someone abducts a child, beat, rape and kill them... !!!
I also don't care for people who "invade the home of others, beat, rape, torture, and kill them... thus so, the point being some thing are not to be tolerated in a society that claims to advance itself to support Civil Community.

for instance... the man who killed the woman and streamed it live on facebook... I don't see a reason for him to live in this society. I certainly don't see him getting off claiming any mental issue. He was a brutal, arrogant killer... Period!!!!

People who drive by someone home or car and shoot into it, killing someone.... I don't see a reason for him to live in this society. I certainly don't see him getting off claiming any mental issue. He was a brutal, arrogant killer... Period!!!!

There is simply no justifiable commentary that can make that palatable in a civil society. We must be with some discernment to know these difference in evil murderous acts, and what is self defense....

Anguish does not give a killer the right to kill innocent people. We had 100's of yrs of that vile murderous mentality that killed 100's of thousands to millions of black people since the inception of America. We have had a mass of such ki9ller mentality of murderous aspirations and actions by white people that has killed 100's of thousands to millions of black people since the inception of America.

It's time for us to stand for no more of such !!!!!!!!

We can't be a society that scream and holler for the execution of people in foreign lands, who mass kill others, to the point we send in our Military and kill a mass of people behind such acts... but because in America, much of such madness is done by white people, suddenly we want to have a sanitizing mentality filled with excuse an given a pass...by claim of excuse not to have the same scream and holler and call for execution.... The bias of such madness... has to change.

[Demsrule86]

39. So who decides what murders rise to the level where summary justice by cop is justified?

I say no murder rises to that level...because it is wrong.

[Civic Justice]

41. Nobody said Murder was right, the discussion is about "those who kill kids in school".

(( "There were 2,902 people on death row in the United States on October 1, 2016, the most recent date for which data is available. Since 1976, when the death penalty was reinstated by the US Supreme Court, 1,458 people have been executed (as of July 28, 2017)" ))

https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/us/death-penalty-fast-facts/index.html

Take your argument to the Supreme Court!!!!

[Civic Justice]

42. Tell that to the Cities that have let police off the hook for killing UNARMED black people... !!!!

and then claim it is a justifiable death.... When the Black person was/is clearly UnArmed !!! There are numbers for the death by police for some of the most minor non violent incidents. Guess you missed that news...!!

[Demsrule86]

44. That has nothing to do with this...nothing.

I deplore all violence...but your post is inflammatory and just plain wrong.

[Demsrule86]

25. Police should not be jury and executioner regardless of race...two wrongs never

make a right.

[Demsrule86]

31. What you describe is not justice but vengeance. There is a difference you know.

[spanone]

2. My nephews son goes to that school. He was there today. He is fine.

[Demsrule86]

29. I am thankful that your nephew was not injured or worse.

[spanone]

30. Thank you!!!

[malaise]

3. Come on now

Did they take this one to Burger King? He may have been hungry. You know like Dylann Roof

[oberliner]

8. The shooter was a 13 year old boy

[Civic Justice]

9. How much difference do you think that made to the people who were shot?

Trump did not have a problem asking for the death penalty for the black (teen) kids in Central Park, and they did not even do the crime ...... ??????????????? But he took out massive full page ad's calling for the death penalty.

Let's see if Trump or any other white person calls for the death penalty for this white kid...who "did" shoot people?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. Why do you think the problem of black people getting shot by police

will be solved by police also shooting white kids? Evening up the score won't fix anything.

[Civic Justice]

16. Miss the point all you want; you either understand whats written or you don't

[Tipperary]

35. That one is deliberately ignoring your point.

[Civic Justice]

43. whom ever "that one" is... does not have to submit to anyone's opinion...

[oberliner]

15. Probably quite a bit

I would think we all agree that the police should not shoot 13 year old children.

[Demsrule86]

27. I don't believe in execution in any form. I will merely say...you are wrong and should delete this

post.

[Civic Justice]

37. Why...

is it because the commentary is discussing things that involve the distinction between what happens to black vs white people in such situation that involve or has the outcome of murder, by one upon another or against and upon many.

I'm not here to play, "soft stroke it to appease white peoples disdain for raw truths".

A lot of the murderous killer end up killing themselves, because "they know what they did was vile and inhumane".... the ones that don't, then claim they don't want to die, but they had no problem giving such a result of death to many others.

fake self serving pretenses of remorse won't bring those whom were mass killed lives back...

[Demsrule86]

38. Advocating the shooting of a 13 year old by law enforcement is wrong and should not be posted here.

All the talk talk you have about distinction yada yada...doesn't change that you are advocating for summary execution by the police which is wrong no matter what color the 13 year old might be.

[Civic Justice]

40. Either get Perspective and Context of the conversation of go to another post...

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I'd bet you did not have this concept and stigmatize it by age, when Trump advocated for the death penalty for the Central Park Kids, and certainly none of what you say, applied to the police Killing Tarmir Rice. Geez!!!!!!!

but, in what you say, its fine and dandy to kill a threat or perceived threat or a murderer, if they are not white, is all you are spinning around to try and assert. so, you just as well stop trying to push your slant and base it on 13yr old as a premise. Heck, I've yet to see a white person not try to find a way to sanitize white shooters and killers who are discussed in the media... That's what your spin amounts to.

I don't care who a shooter is that kills kids at school, they should get the death penalty and if they are caught in the act with a gun, they should get what they get. If they are apprehended by some means without the gun and not fighting back, then they go to jail, and let the courts give them what they get, including the choice of death penalty.

And this is as good a place as any to have such a discussion... That's what wrong with people, they want to pretend we are some nation of angels, when that is far from the truth, heck the history of America is one where white people should have long ago address the mass of killers in their ethnic group, which no matter what, they try and skirt by it or sanitize it, but as long as they are not white, then the narrative changes.....
Go tell you twist to some of the parents who lost kids in school shooting, or any kind of murderous act, be it by the police or another person.

America should start showing the gruesome details to wake people up. But this society can't even face the reality of seeing the gruesome truths.....

We discuss this often in work setting, about driving accident, where no one want to show "the real horror of the tragedy" even when someone has been texting and driving and wipe out individuals and families. The best training video are from foreign location, because too many american's are into "let's pretend"... yet, kids are being shot and some dying on a weekly basis.

Don't tell me what kind of subjects are to be discussed... with the litany of stuff that people post about. people get a few thousand post in this site and think they can control the forum... Heck, I got more than 1.8 Million comments in another Forum, and have 10's of thousand of posting in multiple sites... either discuss what you want, or don't.... but this "let's pretend reality is not real... is not addressing life... that's party of how and why Republicans keep kicking our asses....

[Demsrule86]

45. You are behaving in a very rude fashion...I can reply to any post I choose in a respectful manner...

unlike this one that you directed at me...and you can feel free to ignore it. Your post makes little sense...if I understand the gist of it ...People of color are murdered by cops which is undoubtedly true...and the cops get away with it so in the case of school shooting cops should also be allowed to murder school shooters...summary execution style...because ? This is where it gets murky...my suggestion is try cops in federal court so they can't use their connections to get off...but shooting kids even school shooters if they surrender or are overpowered...not my idea of justice. I fail to understand what you actually think can or should happen.

[Civic Justice]

46. you chose to ignore this so, I'll repeat it for you.

(( "I don't care who a shooter is that kills kids at school, they should get the death penalty and if they are caught in the act with a gun, they should get what they get. If they are apprehended by some means without the gun and not fighting back, then they go to jail, and let the courts give them what they get, including the choice of death penalty. " ))

Now twist that any way that delights you.

[malaise]

13. How old was

Emmett Till?

[oberliner]

14. He was 14

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

I would think we all agree that the police should not shoot 13 and 14 year old children if they can help it.

[Civic Justice]

17. why didn't you get that message to the police who shot the kid at the park a year or so ago...

maybe even such a message could have been given to George Zimmerman.... or the officer who shot the man in the back who was running away, not toward him, when the officer took the marksman stance.... or when the guy got shot with his little daughter in the back seat, as the girlfriend video taped it. ....

[uppityperson]

23. Tamir Rice was 12

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

[malaise]

18. Don't make me post his open casket

Our people are never children

[mythology]

20. Which isn't particularly relevant to police shootings given police didn't kill Till.

[Civic Justice]

26. The police didn't do anything about it either.... the men who killed him went free...

years later, the women said she "lied" !!!!! and she went free still.... ???? !!!!!

(( "In September 1955, Bryant and Milam were acquitted by an all-white jury of Till's kidnapping and murder. Protected against double jeopardy, the two men publicly admitted in a 1956 interview with Look magazine that they had killed Till. ... Bryant expressed no remorse for his crime and stated: "Emmett Till is dead. " ))

[RhodeIslandOne]

19. An unarmed teacher took the kid down

I'm guessing he should have beaten him to death?

[Tipperary]

36. Lol. Well done.

[raven mad]

32. Wow. Saving.

I very rarely turn on the television and since we haven't got cable, it's usually Public TV. The MSM hasn't changed much since "yellow journalism" days of the late 19th century.

Yellow journalism was a style of newspaper reporting that emphasized sensationalism over facts. During its heyday in the late 19th century it was one of many factors that helped push the United States and Spain into war in Cuba and the Philippines, leading to the acquisition of overseas territory by the United States.

Example of Yellow Journalism in the cover of the Pulitzer’s World
The term originated in the competition over the New York City newspaper market between major newspaper publishers Joseph Pulitzer and William Randolph Hearst. At first, yellow journalism had nothing to do with reporting, but instead derived from a popular cartoon strip about life in New York’s slums called Hogan’s Alley, drawn by Richard F. Outcault. Published in color by Pulitzer’s New York World, the comic’s most well-known character came to be known as the Yellow Kid, and his popularity accounted in no small part for a tremendous increase in sales of the World. In 1896, in an effort to boost sales of his New York Journal, Hearst hired Outcault away from Pulitzer, launching a fierce bidding war between the two publishers over the cartoonist. Hearst ultimately won this battle, but Pulitzer refused to give in and hired a new cartoonist to continue drawing the cartoon for his paper. This battle over the Yellow Kid and a greater market share gave rise to the term yellow journalism.


Once the term had been coined, it extended to the sensationalist style employed by the two publishers in their profit-driven coverage of world events, particularly developments in Cuba. Cuba had long been a Spanish colony and the revolutionary movement, which had been simmering on and off there for much of the 19th century, intensified during the 1890s. Many in the United States called upon Spain to withdraw from the island, and some even gave material support to the Cuban revolutionaries. Hearst and Pulitzer devoted more and more attention to the Cuban struggle for independence, at times accentuating the harshness of Spanish rule or the nobility of the revolutionaries, and occasionally printing rousing stories that proved to be false. This sort of coverage, complete with bold headlines and creative drawings of events, sold a lot of papers for both publishers.

The peak of yellow journalism, in terms of both intensity and influence, came in early 1898, when a U.S. battleship, the Maine, sunk in Havana harbor. The naval vessel had been sent there not long before in a display of U.S. power and, in conjunction with the planned visit of a Spanish ship to New York, an effort to defuse growing tensions between the United States and Spain. On the night of February 15, an explosion tore through the ship’s hull, and the Maine went down. Sober observers and an initial report by the colonial government of Cuba concluded that the explosion had occurred on board, but Hearst and Pulitzer, who had for several years been selling papers by fanning anti-Spanish public opinion in the United States, published rumors of plots to sink the ship. When a U.S. naval investigation later stated that the explosion had come from a mine in the harbor, the proponents of yellow journalism seized upon it and called for war. By early May, the Spanish-American War had begun.

I've known a lot of reporters and editors. They are, for the most part, not geared for this. It's the money guys that are. The newspaper/magazine/tv etc. chains that "have to earn for the stockholders". I think I may become a hermit.

[Civic Justice]

34. The Gulf of Tonkin comes to mind... resulting in the death of MILLIONS....

an exaggerated incident that led to the escalation of the Vietnam Invasion and the resulting death of mass volumes of Americans and Others, and decimation of Vietnam and Cambodia, which ultimately led to even more massive volumes of deaths.

American people need to be more discerning about the media and its "profit angles" and its lust for advertising revenue, and learn facts so it can hold the respectful standards of Journalist to a high degree.

We have mess and madness now, with the gaming Trump is trying to play with N. Korea... when fact is, N. and S. Korea should move on with their peace and dual party leadership in Unification of Korea... and ignore the trump gaming, because American is not the controller of N. or S. Korea.

We have no right to act like we are "a determiner" of their agreements for peace and unification of Korea.