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kentuck

(111,052 posts)
Sat May 26, 2018, 12:22 AM May 2018

Is this conspiracy as complex as we think it is?

Is it a well-thought out plan to put Donald Trump in the Presidency of the United States?

How do we know that the election was not fixed in Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, and Pennsylvania?

Somewhere in the process, when criminal acts are planned, there is a weak link. The criminal nature invites weakness.

It seems like a conspiracy but are criminals really that smart? Could it be that there is a network of billionaires and Mafia figures that are only looking for opportunities to launder their money, to buy real estate, to make political donations, and to live a life of luxury?

Do we give them too much credit? Is this really a complex conspiracy? Or is it a simple crime operation taking advantage of the naivete of the American people?

If it really is as complex as it seems, will we ever get to the bottom of it? Has the rule of law been laid to waste? Or will America rise to the challenge?

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C_U_L8R

(44,987 posts)
1. Trump's been playing the chaos game for quite some time
Sat May 26, 2018, 12:36 AM
May 2018

It's not really a plan but more of a method... to get rich and not get caught. It looks totally confusing if you look at like singular criminal events. It's more of a rolling conspiracy. And no, they aren't very smart but their greed's voracious and survival skills, tenacious. It's gonna be quite a fight.

RockRaven

(14,899 posts)
2. Don't mistake a general criminality/corruption joined to enthusiastic opportunism with
Sat May 26, 2018, 12:47 AM
May 2018

a well thought out and planned conspiracy.

Trump and high level Repubs are corrupt, greedy, immoral, etc. but they're mostly operating on short term horizon with overlapping/parallel goals.

Not unlike a lot of the Russian hacking/intel ops. It isn't so much that they have a grand strategy, it's more like they have a lot of people flailing around and throwing spaghetti at the wall, once some stuff sticks they figure out how to try to use it -- but that doesn't mean they had it all planned out from the start

It doesn't make it any less criminal on their part, or any less dangerous to us, but it looks more coherent in hindsight because we're only looking at the collection of their "successes."

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
3. But the bottom line is, they are still criminals.
Sat May 26, 2018, 12:50 AM
May 2018

Although I tend to agree with your description.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
4. It has been a vast right wing conspiracy for nearly 30 years...
Sat May 26, 2018, 01:07 AM
May 2018

tRump has just jumped on the bandwagon and ridden it to become POTUS All of the elements have been put in place for someone like tRump to stage a silent coup

RainCaster

(10,834 posts)
6. Is this administration as corrupt as we think it is?
Sat May 26, 2018, 01:59 AM
May 2018

No, it's much worse. It will take us decades to get back what this asshole and his cronies have done to our countries' reputation.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
7. I absolutely believe the vote was fixed in those swing states.
Sat May 26, 2018, 05:42 AM
May 2018

The idea that they hacked into the machines in those particular states and did nothing while they were in there is absurd.

And as for the corruption, it seems like it has been years, decades in the making and the idiot republican president's election was just a byproduct of it. A crime of convenience that presented itself to this klepto-mob and they jumped at it.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
8. More and more, I am beginning to think some states were fixed.
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:55 AM
May 2018

At first, we did not know the degree to how corrupt they were. Now, it seems very possible.

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