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The Hoarse Whisperer @HoarseWisperer 3h3 hours ago
The ritualized dehumanization of a minority population was the first step toward genocide in Nazi Germany.
The world has seen this kind of rhetoric about immigrants - and this kind of brutal, cruel treatment of women and children.
This isnt a warning sign. Its a crisis.
dalton99a
(81,084 posts)bigtree
(85,920 posts)...once again practiced and encouraged from the highest offices of the land.
Anyone still sanguine about the future? We're already seeing emulation of the president's particular bigotry among his rabid following, with escalating, and often violent effects.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)others are complicit and complacent like the GOP congress!!!
tblue37
(64,982 posts)control.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)target and pound them into the ground to rally some herd of followers and the deplorables adore him. And the GOP congress is perfectly OK with it all.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)ooky
(8,889 posts)mainstream media would get down to the border and put their cameras on this shit instead of interviewing assholes like Hugh Hewitt.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,483 posts)their co-opting of many American religious faiths, who then do the GOP's bidding regardless of their theology.
Churches should all be up in arms over the cruel treatment of refugees and immigrants, and yet many stay silent. This is an abomination of any religious creed, and these churches should be called out at high volume with protests.
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RKP5637
(67,032 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,483 posts)by Philip Bump @pbump, National correspondent for The Washington Post:
From: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/24/the-group-least-likely-to-think-the-u-s-has-a-responsibility-to-accept-refugees-evangelicals/?utm_term=.c97e96e26daf
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This is way beyond appalling. Let's take away their tax exempt status just simply for being cruel assholes.
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RKP5637
(67,032 posts)and bigots.
Pepsidog
(6,252 posts)demogauges must be held accountable. Fox, Hannity, and Limbaughs on the air must be reckoned with. Murdoch is the enemy of Democracy as is Sinclair Broadcasting. Should we win in 2020 there must be a swift and complete repudiation of all the harm republicans have inflicted upon our country.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)agenda and tactics remain unquestioned.
Pepsidog
(6,252 posts)able to devise a strategy to combat him and others on the right is beyond me. I believe it was Ken Langome (sp?) who hired privates investigators to follow Elliot Spitzer which led to his downfall. Why dont lefty billionaires employ their own black ops crews. At this point, there is only Mueller and the 2018 & 2020 elections who can save our country. The ignorance of so many in our country is truly worrisome. I come across Trump supporters and other than professing their support for him, cannot articulate why they support him. Its sad, shocking and deeply discouraging to hear and see.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)billionaires don't do more. For the most part, it seems the left ... left/leaning are quite quiet and passive. Do they think this is just going to blow over ... I don't think so. Core changes are occurring and the Trump regime just seems to roll along.
unblock
(51,974 posts)it's obviously true that donnie is the festering boil of this disease, but he's spreading so much hate it will be very easy for someone else to come along and pick up right where he left off even if we do get rid of him somehow.
*then* what?
bigtree
(85,920 posts)...for good and bad.
We have to assert ourselves at every instigation of this evil with our values and our passion.
Pepsidog
(6,252 posts)the House and Senate are the real enemies of the state.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)demmiblue
(36,751 posts)glad I was never a sucker like ALL those "free" people in the film. Aren't all the lies that ALL "free people could vote, except certain "free" people. The old McCarthyite, talking about Negroes, alien foreigners, is this era's 'deplorable wypipo.
And "hey that fellow is talking about me" And the reply, "makes a difference, doesn't it". Sounds so familiar today with the controversy over privilege and entitlement.
1947-2018, same, same.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)Moral Compass
(1,498 posts)We no longer have to compare to Nazis we are the Nazis.
Joined at the hip with Israel which with incredible irony have also become Nazis. Their Jews are the Palestinians. Our Jews are Central Americans coming to us for sanctuary from violence and oppression.
Our Judicial branch is now so politicized that they routinely deny entry to the US even though the plaintiffs meet every condition for admission. ICE now, as a matter of explicit policy, is separating children from parents so as to remove any hope that draws these refugees to our Southern border. The Border Patrol is now opening fire under the flimsiest of pretexts on the illegal aliens Trump is calling animals.
We have lost our country. The crisis is here. Our vaunted Constitution has been laid bare as utterly naive and wholly inadequate to deal with those in power who have no honor, no morals, and no ideals.
Our task now is to take our country back with our votes but with electronic voting systems that are completely unauditable that may be impossible. We are competing against an opponent that is willing to cheat, stealdo anything to hold on to power.
My wife and youngest daughter are in Ireland. I want to ask them what it was like to witness a functioning democracy in action. The people spoke there and an honest vote was held and abortion now has a chance to be made legal. But theyre on a site seeing tour and I do t want to ruin it with the gloom of our political disaster. Theyll be back soon enough.
History is not going to judge us kindly.
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Moral Compass
(1,498 posts)We no longer have to compare to Nazis we are the Nazis.
Joined at the hip with Israel which with incredible irony have also become Nazis. Their Jews are the Palestinians. Our Jews are Central Americans coming to us for sanctuary from violence and oppression.
Our Judicial branch is now so politicized that they routinely deny entry to the US even though the plaintiffs meet every condition for admission. ICE now, as a matter of explicit policy, is separating children from parents so as to remove any hope that draws these refugees to our Southern border. The Border Patrol is now opening fire under the flimsiest of pretexts on the illegal aliens Trump is calling animals.
We have lost our country. The crisis is here. Our vaunted Constitution has been laid bare as utterly naive and wholly inadequate to deal with those in power who have no honor, no morals, and no ideals.
Our task now is to take our country back with our votes but with electronic voting systems that are completely unauditable that may be impossible. We are competing against an opponent that is willing to cheat, stealdo anything to hold on to power.
My wife and youngest daughter are in Ireland. I want to ask them what it was like to witness a functioning democracy in action. The people spoke there and an honest vote was held and abortion now has a chance to be made legal. But theyre on a site seeing tour and I do t want to ruin it with the gloom of our political disaster. Theyll be back soon enough.
History is not going to judge us kindly.
calimary
(80,700 posts)I don't mind this repeat post of yours, Moral Compass. Not at all. Deserves to be repeated.
Because the weaponizing of the message has now included repeating things three times (three repetitions, repeating three times), we need to make a habit of doing that, too. WHENEVER we're in a place or situation when there is a chance to promote and defend OUR positions. Repetition.
Repetition, repetition, repetition.
Because they have weaponized the message. Weaponized it. They have thoroughly WEAPONIZED the message.
And if we don't turn that technique back on them, and use it as OUR weapon, we're sunk.
Moral Compass
(1,498 posts)Accident. But thank you for your comment. This is what happens when Im using a miniature computer (my phone). 😉
I think you are correctthe disloyal opposition has shown us that repetition cements the messageno matter how noxious or absurd.
Trump today is blaming the separation of refugee children from parents is the fault of the...wait for it...the Democrats.
His base will believe him. Fox will endlessly expound on the rightness if his insane message.
calimary
(80,700 posts)Doin' it on the phone. And I don't know how to do half the maneuvers of the italicizing and bolding and such on the phone, either.
Ligyron
(7,592 posts)To say nothing of our Judicial system. I think this parent/child separation is new and few know about it thus far.
handmade34
(22,755 posts)everything that has happened in the past 2 years... I find it difficult to believe there are U.S. citizens that still support DT...
this parent/child separation was put in place by Jeff Sessions a few weeks ago and well beyond something I can comprehend
calimary
(80,700 posts)I can't believe we've stooped this low, as a nation. I can't believe people aren't protesting in the streets! This is a black mark on all our souls if we don't at least try to do something about it. To intentionally cause pain and heartbreak upon some of the most vulnerable people on earth - immigrants escaping war, threats, danger, destitution, and hopelessness - I can't even believe this has been considered as a doable state-sanctioned response, much less implemented.
Sure doesn't conform to that "least of My brethren" thing in Matthew 25:35-45.
I'm not so certain that the US public cares much outside their own selfish interests. Some people say, "This is not who we are." I say, "Maybe this IS who we are but we don't want to admit it."
Pepsidog
(6,252 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Do 2018 Americans want a country that terrorizes children and families?
Or do we want to be humane?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)consider themselves Hispanic in some way. Some disapprove almost as strongly as any whitey trumpster of undocumented immigrants, but they're not going to support genocide, and they're also perfectly aware that UIs are being kicked around and abused as surrogates for them because as citizens they're relatively untouchable.
It might help also to know that Jews weren't much more than 1% of Germany's population, which made them much better victims than our Hispanics. Far from commonly turning in neighbors, most people didn't even know any Jews.
But agree this is an atrocity. Let's hope more of our Hispanic people decide to vote what they think of it, understanding that large numbers are conservative.
bigtree
(85,920 posts)...I'm old enough to remember when folks were telling us to 'give Trump a chance.'
Worth remembering
ian bremmer? @ianbremmer
Madison Square Garden, February 20, 1939
Worth remembering
American Nazi organization rally at Madison Square Garden, 1939
Supposedly 22,000 Nazi supporters attended an American Bund rally at New York's Madison Square Garden in February 1939, under police guard.
A Nazi guard stands before a massive portrait of George Washington.
1934-1939 Nazis in Madison Square Garden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)significant differences between us and Germany during its 12-15 year experiment with democracy between prosperity as an advanced nation under the Kaiser, WWI's devastation, and deciding on a return to an authoritarian government to rescue them from crippling tribulations after. We've never had any of that.
bigtree
(85,920 posts)Last edited Sat May 26, 2018, 03:03 PM - Edit history (1)
...toying around with the very elements of Jim Crow and fascism, this very recognizable bigotry and racism wielded from the highest office in the land.
I do think it's essentially a non-sequitur to hold out genocide as a measure of how secure we are from the effects of this demagoguery. After all, there is already a record and pattern of abuses, most of the accounting of which doesn't include the consequences to the tens of thousands of individuals sent back into dangerous situations, and the plights of those denied entry.
We probably shouldn't be judging America by pre-war Germany standards. We're a long way from that time and we're supposed to be better than this. It can happen here. We have our own history of genocide of our citizens.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)used against us by people with virtually unlimited means. That's new. It's not that it can't happen here, only that many factors are very different. And as you point out yourself, we've done many bad things in the past yet did them without trading in representative democracy for fascism.
Large numbers of people on the right are just as afraid as we are and they've been at it longer. Unfortunately, they were told we were the fascists they have to stop, and right now many believe it. But the point is, in spite of the usual weakness for authoritarianism among the usual percentages our national cultures and traditions have, overall, always been firmly about individual freedom and worth.
bigtree
(85,920 posts)...not always about freedom for all of us here in America.
The presidency's (government's) power ultimately rests with whatever or representatives and Senators and courts allow. A corrupt government, or one with an overly acquiescing Congress, might assume a facade of democracy while it wields autocratic authority with impunity.
We're witnessing, experiencing a direct challenge to the notion, the ideal of our democracy. It rests, like you say, on the sentiment of our countryfolk, which is no certain hedge against hysteria and fear toward minority communities - generated by government-inspired, enabled hatred.
That corruption can spread and infect, not only our government offices, but our courts, as well, our last refuge in our democracy (besides our vote) against tyranny. I appreciate the optimism, but it remains to be seen whether America rises to this pernicious and dangerous challenge.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)corrupters are experiencing are just making them fight harder and nastier, using the same techniques they've done so well with, and no doubt more. I've also heard that viewership/listeners are way up on right wing media. Sounds like more conservatives are becoming interested in understanding what's happening but looking the wrong places.
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Thanks for the thread bigtree
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I despair for the future of this country. I never thought it could get this bad and it will only get worse while he remains in office.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Turbineguy
(37,212 posts)a long and terrible price for it too.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)This has been happening slowly but Trump put it on steroids.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)so far, so hard and so fast. After several failed election coups it took the Russians to pull it off. Who do we have on the left to push it back the other way? Only ourselves.
Demovictory9
(32,324 posts)a 71 year old who won't be around to experience the full results of his complete transformation of america.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Spousal-type sweetie can forward. Thanks, bigtree.
-Puzzler
Cha
(295,929 posts)donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)On this Memorial Day, how can we forget?! This is so sickening, watching this happening. The overt racism, hate and intolerance. Life under Drumpf is eerily similar to what happened in 1930's Germany. Oh boy,I am scared.
malaise
(267,841 posts)Rec