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Wed May 30, 2018, 09:48 PM

Remember back in school when a kid showed up at school with a broken leg and crutches?

And everybody thought it was so cool and they grabbed his crutches and took turns walking around on them pretending they, too, had a broken leg?

And the kid who had really broken his leg just sat and watched everybody playing with his crutches, and shook his head because the crutches had gotten old a long time ago and he wished he didn’t need them because they stopped being fun about 30 seconds after the doctor gave them to him. And now his armpits were chapped and his arms ached and his fingers were cramped. And his cast itched and his leg hurt like hell. He wished he could not have a broken leg and not need those damned crutches and he could just get up and run around and play like everyone else. But he couldn’t move two feet without them because his leg was all jacked up.

And he really needed to go to the bathroom, but his friends were having so much fun playing with his crutches that they didn’t realize they weren’t a toy and that he really needed them just to get around, something they could do without crutches and without even thinking about it. And he was both annoyed and amused that they were so eager to use his crutches when they didn’t need them at all, they didn’t understand that crutches weren’t toys, and they didn’t appreciate how awesome it was NOT to need crutches just to get to the damned toilet.

That’s what the great 2018 DU Wypipo Drama reminds me of ...

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Reply Remember back in school when a kid showed up at school with a broken leg and crutches? (Original post)
EffieBlack May 2018 OP
mcar May 2018 #1
tazkcmo May 2018 #2
Blue_true May 2018 #3
mokawanis May 2018 #4
DonCoquixote May 2018 #7
EffieBlack May 2018 #8
mokawanis May 2018 #12
DonCoquixote May 2018 #5
LuvLoogie May 2018 #6
irisblue May 2018 #21
Dave Starsky May 2018 #37
bornfree17 May 2018 #29
ProudLib72 May 2018 #52
Hoyt May 2018 #9
bornfree17 May 2018 #30
marylandblue May 2018 #10
EffieBlack May 2018 #11
pnwmom May 2018 #13
George II May 2018 #14
EffieBlack May 2018 #15
mythology May 2018 #16
EffieBlack May 2018 #17
ck4829 May 2018 #25
sheshe2 May 2018 #18
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NCTraveler May 2018 #22
betsuni May 2018 #19
Sherman A1 May 2018 #20
Blue_Adept May 2018 #26
Sherman A1 May 2018 #32
bornfree17 May 2018 #31
Sherman A1 May 2018 #33
Dorian Gray May 2018 #23
mercuryblues May 2018 #41
gollygee May 2018 #42
Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #51
hunter Jun 2018 #55
ck4829 May 2018 #24
Adiaphron May 2018 #27
ck4829 May 2018 #28
WePurrsevere May 2018 #34
EffieBlack May 2018 #36
EffieBlack May 2018 #35
BumRushDaShow May 2018 #39
EffieBlack May 2018 #45
Maeve May 2018 #38
marble falls May 2018 #43
gollygee May 2018 #44
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2018, 09:51 PM

1. Perfect analogy!

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2018, 09:54 PM

2. I don't know this word

But am well acquainted with the Drama. Your post has reminded me that I need more popcorn. Thnx!

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2018, 09:56 PM

3. I don't know Effie. I understand your analogy as much as I understand

a rainbow colored, unicorn mouse. I am slow today, do you have another analogy that may work for me?

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2018, 09:57 PM

4. how did he break his leg?

tripping over a dead horse?

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Response to mokawanis (Reply #4)

Wed May 30, 2018, 10:01 PM

7. ha ha ha

it is not a dead horse, unlike the dead kids that get killed because A) a certain group always lets Cops get away with shooting unarmed kids and B) that same groups loves that ar-15's so much that they are willing to let their kid get shot up in schools by kids, who, oddly enough, happen to be of the same complexion.

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Response to mokawanis (Reply #4)

Wed May 30, 2018, 10:04 PM

8. That's pretty funny

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #8)

Wed May 30, 2018, 10:36 PM

12. It was there so I took it

but I hope it doesn't lead anyone to think I don't recognize what privilege is and how it plays out in our society.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2018, 09:59 PM

5. wypipo is a term people used

because they had a problem that needed a term. The kid has crutches because he needed a tool, but the kids that play with the crutches do not realize these are not toys for the kid, but tools.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2018, 09:59 PM

6. Whenever I see a wypipo thread or read a wypipo column, this always pops into my head...


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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #6)

Thu May 31, 2018, 06:06 AM

21. I made it to 1 minute

What a #Becky voice

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Response to irisblue (Reply #21)

Thu May 31, 2018, 08:34 AM

37. You're made out of stronger stuff than I am.

That sounds like the most annoying woman on Earth.

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #6)

Thu May 31, 2018, 07:26 AM

29. Geez

 

Maybe if she didn't pepper spray him he would have left her kayak alone. The voice was tuff to take too

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #6)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:58 PM

52. Best vid ever!

Well, I was going to leave that kayak alone, but since you pepper sprayed me in the face...Fuck You!

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2018, 10:04 PM

9. If that means the "Wypipo drama" is bunch of junk, I'm with you. Jeez, white folks have called

Black people horrible things. I’m fine with Honkie, Wiypipo, cracker, etc. Those names don’t carry anywhere near the hatred of what too many Wypipo have called Black people and other minorities.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #9)

Thu May 31, 2018, 07:29 AM

30. Agree

 

Wypipo makes my eyes roll with a giggle. It doesn't carry the hatred that other names do to others

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2018, 10:23 PM

10. Well I never took anyone's crutches, and I don't have anything to say about wypipo

So maybe I'll just sit next to the kid with the broken leg for a little while.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #10)

Wed May 30, 2018, 10:25 PM

11. Awww ...

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #10)

Wed May 30, 2018, 11:32 PM

13. Best response here! n/t

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2018, 11:34 PM

14. Precisely! Some in this world want to just beat "Wypipo" to death. Sad.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 12:53 AM

15. Kick

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 01:28 AM

16. Pointless name calling and slurs is a crutch certain people need

 

Perhaps someday, those people will grow out of that. But it would require self-reflection and self-awareness, not the strong suit of people who mistake their small-minded slurs and bigotry for being "witty" or edgy. If a slur against your tribe is bad, but a slur against the perceived other tribe is good, how is that different at the moral and intellectual core than slurs going the other way? It's really not different philosophically.

But people can justify all sorts of things if our need to project ourselves as the hero of our own story. Denial is a powerful tool.



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Response to mythology (Reply #16)

Thu May 31, 2018, 01:42 AM

17. Whoosh!

But thank you for your insights into how and why black people think and do ... and an extra special and heartfelt thank you for your kind wish that we’’ll “someday grow out of” our “small-mindedness,” our “denial,” and “our need to project ourselves as the hero of our own story” and develop some “self-reflection and self-awareness.”

And you wonder why “certain people” come up with terms like “Wypipo” to describe attitudes and behaviors, such as this kind of insulting patronization, that actually merit much harsher terminology than the flippant and harmless language they should be grateful we keep it to. Because given your over-the-top, “woe is me,” self-entitled finger-wagging reaction to seeing some strangers on a discussion board use a term you never saw before and will likely never hear in real life, you DEFINITELY couldn't handle reading, much less hearing the more accurate descriptions this paternalistic, white privilege crap deserves.


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Response to mythology (Reply #16)

Thu May 31, 2018, 06:56 AM

25. Perhaps someday, those people will grow out of that

One does not have to a "wypipo"; one just needs to stop calling the cops just because they see a black person in their field of vision or being worked up into a storm when their POTUS tells them of Muslims or MS-13 being bad but doing a "does not compute" when they are reminded it's not Muslims or MS-13 shooting up our schools, or our churches, or our movie theaters.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 02:14 AM

18. Actually,

This makes me want to cry. Maybe that is just my mood tonight.

Child needs his crutches. A leg up. He needs them to stand. The children that are already standing and moving take his crutches, his chance to stand away from him. Left behind. I got mine and you get....

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #18)

Thu May 31, 2018, 06:41 AM

22. .

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 02:15 AM

19. K&R

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 05:41 AM

20. No,

I do remember folks, carrying books, lunch trays and opening doors for that student.

Perhaps we attended different schools.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #20)

Thu May 31, 2018, 07:07 AM

26. Yeah, I get the analogy and what's being said

But this is so far removed from my experiences and that of what I see with the kids today that it ends up falling flat and a bit forced.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #26)

Thu May 31, 2018, 07:54 AM

32. I got the analogy as well and frankly

Believe that it was a significant stretch to make the point.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #20)

Thu May 31, 2018, 07:31 AM

31. And

 

Signing the cast

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Response to bornfree17 (Reply #31)

Thu May 31, 2018, 07:55 AM

33. Agreed

Forgot that part.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 06:42 AM

23. What's a Wypipo?

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #23)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:08 AM

41. A good example of a wypipo

is Roseanne Barr. She claims she isn't racist, but does inherently racist things.

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #23)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:16 AM

42. Another example

Someone who calls the police on something unremarkable that some black person or black people are doing, and then is astounded when people think they're racist. "Why would anyone think I'm racist? The guy walking his dog/jogging/moving furniture into his apartment/changing his car tire/whatever looked suspicious to me! It's just a coincidence that he's black!"

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #23)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:53 PM

51. A racial pejorative for people primarily of Caucasian decent

<POE>

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Response to Bok_Tukalo (Reply #51)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 05:36 PM

55. I'm so white that having pre-cancerous lesions burned or sliced off my skin is a regular occurrence.

Melanoma is always a concern for me and I've spent sleepless nights waiting for pathology reports.

I used to have a glorious red Viking Fucking Irish Bastard beard, but now all the red is white.

Caucasian? Them's fighting words.

I mock Caucasians such as myself. We are superbly mockable.

I grew up in 99 44/100 Ivory Soap pure white world. Don't blame my parents, they are artists, and lived wherever the work was. When my dad retired they fled, just as me and my siblings had fled.

We're all Cosmopolitan. Wypipo hate that.

It was my very good fortune to escape white hell. My high school classmates who stayed are stunted. I quit high school. Fuck that, I'm sixteen, see you!

I've been a minority white guy in my communities for most of my life now, but I've NEVER suffered the any serious shit for being wypipo.

Wypipo is funny.




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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 06:50 AM

24. K&R

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 07:10 AM

27. There is another important term to consider.

 

After reading numerous threads about this general topic, many generated by you, and also the comments, I decided to sign up and suggest something that may help. There are many professionals who can treat the condition that seems to be presenting itself here.

Some of the more relevant details of what psychologists and psychiatrists identify as “injustice collecting” (the individuals are known as “injustice collectors”:

Injustice collecting allows us to avoid responsibility for our circumstances. Self-pity garners attention and sympathy from others.

The injustice collector attempts to regain perceived loss of all power by using the attention and sympathy to manipulate others into conceding to the injustice collector, in an effort to accommodate the alleged victim.

The tendency to itemize every unfair knock we've ever suffered is known as injustice collecting. Sometimes the injustices are personal, as in, "My boss unfairly promoted Rick over me." This kind of self-talk leads to anger. At other times, the catalogued outrages lead to overwrought generalizations, such as, "Nothing ever goes well; this is too unfair." This type of thinking leads to hopelessness and rage.

Enough grudge holding and soon you'll see more iniquity than actually exists. The injustice collector becomes a trigger-happy perceiver.

This article offers more about the condition: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/20061/injustice-collecting

Thank you and have a nice day.

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Response to Adiaphron (Reply #27)

Thu May 31, 2018, 07:20 AM

28. And another important term to consider

Is System Justification.

System justification is a social psychology term of art that designates any motivational tendency to defend, bolster, or rationalize existing social, economic, and political arrangements.

It is conceptualized as a response tendency possessed by many, or perhaps most, members of society to see aspects of the overarching social system as good, fair, and legitimate. Consequently, alternatives to the status quo are often derogated or avoided for ideologically defensive reasons. In other words, system justification is an inherently conservative inclination to preserve “the way things are,” sometimes even at the expense of objective social interests (Jost, Banaji, & Nosek, 2004).

System justification allows us to ignore disparities and injustices, they're "OK". "They're just in your head you see?" "You're just causing trouble by pointing things out."

System justification simply needs to be recognized in most cases for healing and liberation from it to begin:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9780470672532.wbepp273
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/without-prejudice/201702/system-justification-why-people-buy-social-inequality

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #28)

Thu May 31, 2018, 08:05 AM

34. +1 (Thanks for the memory jog) nt

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #28)

Thu May 31, 2018, 08:27 AM

36. +1

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Response to Adiaphron (Reply #27)

Thu May 31, 2018, 08:25 AM

35. Interesting

Thanks for signing up and devoting your first post to this topic. It’s very interesting.

“Injustice collecting” describes a pathological condition whereby mentally unstable individuals build up unreasonable grudges in response to various everyday frustrations and often non-existent slights and then react with over-the-top anger and violence. Donald Trump, I believe, could accurately be described as an “injustice collector,” but the term is more generally applied to individuals who unreasonably build up grudges against other individuals they perceive to be treating them unfairly and react with violence.

”Former FBI profiler Mary Ellen O'Toole, Ph.D., defines an injustice collector as someone who "nurses resentment over real or perceived injustices, and no matter how much time has passed ... will never forget or forgive those wrongs or the people he/she believes are responsible."

O'Toole coined and defined the phrase "injustice collector" in her 2000 FBI threat-assessment study after the 1999 Columbine High School massacre.

Injustice collectors obsessively keep track of every perceived wrong committed against them, maintaining enormous caches of grievances that go back years or decades. Many of those wrongs never actually happened. The ones that did are almost invariably trivial.

"His versions of events are often skewed, distorted, embellished or completely misinterpreted to the point of being absurd or ridiculous," writes O'Toole via email, "and many of the people on his lists probably have no idea what they did."
https://health.howstuffworks.com/mental-health/human-nature/behavior/getting-to-know-injustice-collectors.htm


As far as a I can tell, psychologists don’t generally apply this term to victims of actual racial/gender discrimination or to people who discuss discrimination nor do they suggest that discrimination is non-existent or that those who suffer from it are suffering from any kind of pathology or self-pity. In fact, the only time I’ve seen it used in the context of a discussion of race is in attempts to undermine and dismiss the experiences and voices of minorities and women who have experienced discrimination. It’s an intelligent-sounding, supposedly science-based euphemism for “there they go, playing the race-card again” that also allows certain people to be labeled as mentally disordered without coming out and saying it.

Your post is very vague, so your point isn’t clear. Is it your belief that minorities and women who share their experience with systemic discrimination are “injustice collectors” or “trigger-happy perceivers” or are you applying that description to white people who are offended by such terms as “Wypipo?”

Thanks, and welcome to DU.

Btw, your link doesn’t work. I assume this is what you were trying to link to: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/200612/injustice-collecting

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #35)

Thu May 31, 2018, 08:55 AM

39. K&R

and you can guess how, once more, I discovered this thread was here...

Yup, you guessed right.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #39)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:39 AM

45. Funny thing, that

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Response to Adiaphron (Reply #27)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:24 AM

43. That article requires more than a causal reading....

Correct link: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/200611/injustice-collecting

Nowhere does the article discuss group or class dynamics. It actually addresses grudges and self assumed "injustices". I can be a member of an oppressed minority dealing with oppression and not be gathering grudges, just like the vast majority of PoC are.

Also: wouldn't cop violence against black males be considered white cops working out their personal grudges by committing injustices against the class of people on the person of a black male????

Your sense of justice seems pretty darn one sided.

I hope everything is peachy at your house.

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Response to Adiaphron (Reply #27)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:26 AM

44. Racism is not an imagined injustice

and it's offensive for you to suggest so.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #44)

Thu May 31, 2018, 02:00 PM

47. Interesting though

Classic deflection

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Response to Adiaphron (Reply #27)

Thu May 31, 2018, 01:59 PM

46. Not relavent

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Response to Adiaphron (Reply #27)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:26 PM

48. Are you saying noticing and calling out racism is bad because once you notice racism, you'll see it?

"Injustice collecting allows us to avoid responsibility for our circumstances."

Wow. That sounds like victim blaming. To "suggest something that might help", that Effie see a professional for pointing out racist behavior is insulting.

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Response to Adiaphron (Reply #27)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:32 PM

49. The next time someone needs an explanation

for the term “whitesplaining” we’ll all be able to save ourselves a lot of time and effort by linking to the pathetic drivel you just posted instead of typing out a definition.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #49)

Thu May 31, 2018, 10:29 PM

53. This...that post is some classic "whitesplaining"

Wrapped inside some pseudoscience that doesn't even support their point!

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:04 AM

40. Kids breaking legs

is not a common occurrence. Which is why the other kids don't take his plight seriously. Besides that, I don't believe the kid's leg is actually broken. I will need to see his x-rays to prove his leg is really broken. Only I get to determine if the leg is indeed broken after I get to review all the evidence. I broke my leg once and that never happened to me. If it did, they were just joking around, it shouldn't be taken seriously, the other kids meant no harm.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:34 PM

50. What about broken arms?!

ALL LIMBS MATTER, DAMMIT!!






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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 04:57 PM

54. Nope. Do not remember that happening.

 

And I had to use crutches for awhile.

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