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Fri Jun 1, 2018, 11:34 AM

 

The demise of "Sears"

failing year after year.... but one thing they would not do to try and figure out how to modernize and survive.

They could have gone to any number of Black Colleges, and chosen a CEO from their Business Graduates.... and may have found out, different idea from a different ethnic cultural perspective may have helped them learn how to turn their store around.

All the once "dominant white society elements faded from prominence" along with that group who supported the "old model" of Sear, either died out, got old and in geriatric stages, or simply at the post retirement age that they no longer do frequent shopping.
20 yrs after no one was wear Polyester Jim suits, sears was still filling their racks with old 1960 style polyester suits and pants. of expecting people to buy 1960's mid west attire, when the whole nation has changed several times and they could not keep up.

They lost out everything, when they once provided 'everything".... Lack of Executive Diversity in a Changed World, brought them exactly what they got in this day and time... Stores that are closing "rapidly".
They never in a million years should have bought Kmart... But... they stuck with that one ethnic one dimensional thinking. And they've been loosing every since society became more Diverse.

They did not pay attention.... the crowed they once catered to.. fell apart after 1964 , the same one dimension thinking took down Montgomery Wards, and has Damaged JC Penny. We saw the same thing happen to F.W. Woolworth.

It would be great if some venture Capitalist understood the dynamics and went and scouted the black college campus, and take note to the ideas that people have and the business knowledge they have gained.


Look around at reality, blacks people contribution has revolutionized the music industry, has a profound effect on the tonality of a great many TV Commercials, has brought new dynamics to a multitude of Sports, and will soon being making progressive advancement into what and how the advances of Technology continue moving forth.

But,,, since they'd rather close shop and fail... then to give a black man/woman a chance at helping them survive. Then so be it.




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Civic Justice Jun 2018 OP
bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #1
Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2018 #5
wonkwest Jun 2018 #7
LeftInTX Jun 2018 #23
wonkwest Jun 2018 #25
LisaM Jun 2018 #26
Cosmocat Jun 2018 #31
smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #37
csziggy Jun 2018 #14
LeftInTX Jun 2018 #22
csziggy Jun 2018 #43
LeftInTX Jun 2018 #24
Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #2
LisaM Jun 2018 #27
Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #28
smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #38
Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #40
smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #41
DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #46
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RKP5637 Jun 2018 #4
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magicarpet Jun 2018 #6
Kaleva Jun 2018 #11
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Civic Justice Jun 2018 #34
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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 11:44 AM

1. A big part of it is the convienence of online shopping

It’s not just Sears that’s struggling, Macy’s, JCPenny are closing stores at high rates too. People love to shop online now. When a person see’s a cool shirt on the Macy’s website, why drive to the store, spend time looking all over the store only to find out that specific store doesn’t carry it, and the drive back home when you can click a few buttons on your mouse and the shirt is on your doorstep in less than a week?

Brick and mortar stores can’t compete with that.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:05 PM

5. The only major disadvantage to online shopping

is that you can't try anything on until it arrives at your door and then, if it doesn't fit, you have to ship it back for a replacement. At a brick and mortar store, you can try clothing on and leave with the right thing in hand THE FIRST TIME. My wife and I hope that they don't completely die out for this reason alone.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:26 PM

7. This

 

I do all of my shopping outside of groceries and clothes online.

I need a new pair of jeans, so I'm going to hit up Target after work. Other than that? I never walk into a store.

Sears. Wow. I'm in my thirties, and I can say I haven't walked into an actual Sears store since my teenage years. And even then, I think I walked through it just to get to the mall. I remember the catalogue when I was kid. Flipping through, wishing for things for Christmas. Milling about the store and messing with the keyboards.

As an adult, all my needs are specialized. Want a video game or computery thing? GameStop or Best Buy. Want just about anything else? Amazon.

Sears tried to be a catch-all. There is no longer a place for that sort of store. Commerce is specialized. We have too many other options.

It's a shame, but inevitable in our commercial tech evolution.

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Response to wonkwest (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 02:41 PM

23. Sears was a go-to for durable products - I never understood buying clothes from them.

I'm in my 60s and don't remember buying clothes from them.

They were the go-to for appliances before big box stores arrived. We owned alot of Kenmore appliances.
My dad bought alot of durable furniture from Sears: Bunk beds etc.
Swing sets, sheds etc etc - all from Sears.
We got most of our toys from Sears.

For clothes: It was department stores for nice clothes, Penney's for medium quality, K-mart for cheap stuff.

I think in the late 80s, they started adding other brands to their appliance line-up.

Their Craftsman brand was always superior to what the big box stores carried.

Their clothes were always overpriced and never trendy.




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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 03:26 PM

25. Craftsman was the big one

 

All my dad's tools were Craftsman. And it didn't matter how long ago you bought it. If you brought your shitty, overly rusted tool in to be replaced, they'd replace it.

Of all things Sears, Craftsman is what I hear most mourned over. Many a poor, working, and middle class DIY husband depended on those things in the 80s and 90s.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 03:34 PM

26. When I was growing up, I had lots of clothes from Sears.

They had a line called Lemon Frog for young girls, and they had lots of cute clothes, that were durable too.

More recently, they've carried Lands End clothes, which I also like.

I would never, ever buy clothes online. I'm bad about returning things, I'm hard to size, and I'm not home during the day to get packages.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 04:08 PM

31. I will miss them

I got a laugh out of the polyester suits thing - I can't fathom every buying clothes there. I do get that a big part of their demographic wanted those clothes.

But, I did a lot of our buys for equipment there - snow blower, mower, etc.

Someone made the point, it isn't just them. Our mall, JC Penny went out same time Sears did.

The township is scrambling to repurpose it.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:22 PM

37. It's also difficult to assess the quality of online clothing unless you are very familiar with the

retailer, and even then there is no guarantee. I like online shopping for other things, but I would rather buy clothing in brick and mortar stores unless I am ordering staples like black pants or khaki shorts - things like that.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:02 PM

14. Sears' biggest mistake was closing their catalog division just as online sales got started

Sears had the system for distribution but were too short sighted to take the jump into online sales. If they had kept their catalog system and put it online Amazon would never have gotten a foothold into the business. Amazon filled the void Sears left for distance ordering.

Back when I first married, almost 41 years ago, I didn't have time to go from store to store for basics. I ordered all my linens, a lot of my tools, and many of my clothes through Sears catalogs. Mostly it was telephone orders, faster and more reliable than the mail. But I got all sorts of boxes delivered to my door - or for free, they were delivered to the local store. While the local store did not have a full selection of their offerings, the catalogs let me pick the exact colors, sizes and styles I wanted without having to drive into town and deal with snotty salespeople.

Now Amazon owns that market in the same way Sears did back in the day.

The other mistake I saw Sears make was to try to be "trendy" - they took basics such as tee shirts and jeans out of the stores and carried only whatever was considered stylish at the moment. Rather than having once or twice a year catalogs where you could order the basics, they had monthly ones with only the current fads (as perceived by the Sears corporate guys). I know around the end of the 1990s my orders with Sears went from a few hundred dollars annually to nothing. They simply stopped selling what I needed.

Long after I stopped buying from Sears the CEO went full libertarian. Stores and departments within stores competed against each other rather than working together:

Ayn Rand killed Sears
How the me-first corporate structure installed by hedge fund manager Eddie Lampert helped ruin the retail giant

Lynn Stuart Parramore
July 18, 2013 9:37pm

<SNIP>

At Sears, Lampert set out to create the Ayn Rand model of a giant firm. The company got a radical restructuring. It was something that had been tried at giant industrial conglomerates like GE, but never with a retailer.

First, Lampert broke the company into over 30 individual units, each with its own management, and each measured separately for profit and loss. Acting in their individual self-interest, they would be forced to compete with each other and thereby generate higher profits.

What actually happened is that units began to behave something like the cutthroat city-states of Italy around the time Machiavelli was penning his guide to rule-by-selfishness. As Mina Kimes has reported in Bloomberg Businessweek, they went to war with each other.

It got crazy. Executives started undermining other units because they knew their bonuses were tied to individual unit performance. They began to focus solely on the economic performance of their unit at the expense of the overall Sears brand. One unit, Kenmore, started selling the products of other companies and placed them more prominently that Sears’ own products. Units competed for ad space in Sears’ circulars, and since the unit with the most money got the most ad space, one Mother’s Day circular ended up being released featuring a mini bike for boys on its cover. Units were no longer incentivized to make sacrifices, like offering discounts, to get shoppers into the store.

Sears became a miserable place to work, rife with infighting and screaming matches. Employees focused solely on making money in their own unit ceased to have any loyalty the company or stake in its survival. Eddie Lampert taunted employees by posting under a fake name on the company’s internal social network.

More: https://www.salon.com/2013/07/18/ayn_rand_killed_sears_partner/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

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Response to csziggy (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 02:27 PM

22. Great insight and informative article

They should have brought back the catalog when internet shopping became popular.

I went to a Sears store in 2015. (I bought a stick Vac and Sears was the only store that carried it)

Our lawn mower is a Craftsman.

When I went to Sears in 2016 to look for heavy duty gardening hoses and decent lawn sprinklers there were none in sight. They just carried the cheap stuff that big box stores sell. I think I bought a Black and Decker weed wacker at the time.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 07:16 PM

43. Last things I bought at Sears were appliances ten years ago

We were building a new house and I went in for their spring appliance sale. Made out like a bandit - 20% of from the sale, $500 rebate on two of the appliances from the manufacturer, then another 10% + the difference when an acquaintance wrote me a contractor's bid for the same appliances.

I got nearly as good deals on the rest - 50% off a scratch & dent washer from Lowe's, same line dryer on end of the year clearance from Rex Appliances - 50% off, 20% off my cooktop and hood from IKEA (since I bought my cabinets at the same time for the same discount).

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Response to csziggy (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 02:44 PM

24. I remember ordering drapes from Penney's and having them delivered to the store.

Penney's always had better drapery.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 11:58 AM

2. Seems to me,it was and is all about the

divisive Management Style of Eddie Lambert. When you pit one sales associate or Department Manager against one another,what could go wrong. Well that culture destroyed a Company from the inside out. Known many a Sales and Department Manager at Sears over the last five decades. When Lambert bought a controlling interest in Sears,it was for the value of the Real Estate and All State Insurance. He did not have any idea how to run a Retail Operation.

And know we see the end results of Libertarian Management in real time.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 03:36 PM

27. Exactly. Sears (and KMart) were purposely destroyed.

It makes me sad.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #27)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 03:44 PM

28. Sad to say,so many

folks lost their Pensions as well as their Jobs of twenty plus years. Eddie destroyed the Stock Price and as a consequence,most of the Retired Employees got lost their retirement.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #28)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:25 PM

38. While he walks away a billionaire.

Scum of the earth.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:44 PM

40. That appeared to be his game play

from the get go. Remember Federated did the same about the same time. And we are seeing the Bon Tom unit being liquidated. Load it up with debt and bleed the cash off.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #40)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:47 PM

41. If it were up to me, I would have these greedy pigs executed.

Sorry, but they destroy lives and walk away rich and laughing about the carnage they have created. I think it's time to bring back the guillotine.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 07:55 PM

46. Exactly

Thanks for posting this.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:02 PM

3. JC Penny too.....



Is going the way of Sears.....

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:04 PM

4. Sears could have been a leader into the future, but IMO it's a typical example of management

with their heads stuck in the sand, well, up their butts. And stuck in the past thinking we will make the world the way we want it. It was so damn stupid, operating with an early 20th century business model. They had massive distribution centers, a good reputation in many areas ... they could have turned the catalog sales, for one example, into online shopping and distribution. It's like they want to fail at everything.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:04 PM

15. You're so right. The distribution centers and catalog could've morphed into their...

online operation, much like Amazon's.

Wonder if their top execs even are aware of online shopping. Doesn't seem like it.

Total failure to adjust to technology and today's culture.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:19 PM

6. As stated above.... The Sear's Catalog setup...

... could have easily been tweaked into an on line retail powerhouse. Transition the catalog into a web site and your are off and running with a high tech retail operation with warehousing, shipping, and item order pickers all already in place.

Backward thinking venture capitalists miss the boat - forward thinking managers with an entrepreneurial spirit see the trends and respond appropriately and accordingly.

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:53 PM

11. Blockbuster could have done the same thing

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 04:01 PM

30. Borders Books also did themselves in by not embracing online sales.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:32 PM

8. Craftsman hand tools were made in the USA then they made them overseas.

That was when Sears lost their men shoppers. Craftsman made in America was a big sell and they fucked it up.

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Response to pwb (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:42 PM

10. Craftsman tools will outlive Sears

Sears sold the Craftsman line to Stanley Black & Decker in 2017. The question of quality remains to be seen, but I understand they will continue to honor the 'Lifetime Warranty'. That is, after their legal department tightened it up a bit to stop abuse.

Interesting, Craftsman tools made in Japan to exacting specifications are coveted today; they are just a notch below "Made in USA".

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:42 PM

9. Sears was designed to fail

This is how hedge funds like Bain Capital etc make their money. They don't care about the company, just how they can leverage the assets to make them money. In this case, Sears has a ton of real estate. It has been done to KB Toys and a slew of other name brands. Disgusting capitalism at its finest.

Read this article:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/yes-sears-is-likely-to-collapse-but-eddie-lampert-will-be-just-fine-2018-05-30

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:57 PM

12. Lack of diversity did not kill Sears

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:27 PM

20. I was not speak only of racism diversity, but age diversity, style diversity, etc..

 

and many other forms of diversity... and to address that... I advocated to go to black colleges and give some of those business majors and Phd's and MBA and etc....a chance to address all the categories of diversity that go far and beyond race... needed.

Including as one poster address the mess made mixing Kmart with Sears, and let them reverse that, and actually reshape the industry and the nature of Big Top stores like Sears and move Kmart out in areas to compete with things like Family Dollar and Dollar General, it was not in the league with Sears and only diminished the Quality Standard that Sears earned in its hey do.

Sears could also have focused on American Producers of Quality Durable Goods.... Many America's would support that, ( not cheap made non durable american stuff), but Quality American Goods, with many categories that "were repairable". people will buy that, because if it breaks they can find the part, and likely, upgrade what they have with new products that come out, to fit the base model.

Now, there is 50 version of the same item, from ultra cheap, to pure crap, to the overly exaggerated high price for even medium quality, and the real quality is not even affordable or advertised to the general public.

But .. when companies made High Quality, with a few Models with variations, but the quality was high" American goods then were sought by people all over the world.

Now, not even American want many American made goods... and that's a very bad sign for the future of America.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:57 PM

13. malls killed the Main St stores....now online shopping is killing the remaining brick/morter dept st

It's all our own fault for lazily shopping with a click rather than visiting the stores/supporting them.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:05 PM

16. Civic Justice, if you had said that about any other company I'd agree with you

We're talking about Sears. Which means we're talking about predatory capitalist Fast Eddie Lampert, whose hiring is the worst mistake Kmart ever made.

One hundred percent of Sears' woes can be laid at the feet of the Ayn Rand-worshipping Lampert.

Here's the deal. Sometime before 2003 (it's hard to find the year this happened on the Internet, because the cone of silence around this asshole makes Scott Pruitt look loquacious) the then-in-bankruptcy Kmart hired Lampert, who had started his own hedge fund at the tender age of 25 and was known for revitalizing Honeywell, as their chairman. Lampert got Kmart out of bankruptcy. In 2003, Lampert decided to "revitalize" Kmart...not by cleaning up the stores and refreshing the selection of merchandise, but by purchasing Sears and naming the combined company "Sears Holdings." (He also decided the "dungeon look" Sears and Kmart stores had was fine with him, because they still look like dungeons.) Sears had one asset Lampert really liked - a ton of cash in the bank - and four cash cows named Lands End, Craftsman, Kenmore and DieHard.

He jammed the Sears and Kmart back office staffs into one building and set them against one another, largely for his personal amusement. (I've heard the resultant back office described as "the corporate edition of The Lord of the Flies."
He spent Sears' cash hoard buying back stock rather than revitalizing their merchandise selection or improving their stores.
When the financial crisis hit, he decided to invest the company's cash flow into derivatives rather than operations.
He spun off Lands End and "sold" Craftsman, Kenmore and DieHard to his hedge fund.
And he refused to get into e-commerce in a big way.

That, fine sir, is why Sears is about to collapse. It's hard to succeed when the boss is working overtime to make you fail.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:12 PM

17. You're advocating for race-based hiring practices?

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Response to Mosby (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:19 PM

19. if that's how you see it, but the Point is INCLUDING whom has been previously OMITTED AND IGNORED.

 

and that is the Black Americans, who have been here since the inception of this nation and through all its challenges.

We all know the CEO position have long be "Race Based in their hiring, of "White Men Predominantly", with some White Women, but they have raced based hiring that OVERLOOKS and underestimate the Black Male and Black Female when it comes to filling Jobs in the Executive CEO Suite.

To advocate and speak of Black People for roles in these business, is no more race based than white people have done for 100's of years, as they not only excluded, they would not even consider black men and women.... so why was that race based system ok, but its not ok, when it is advocated to give black people a proactive consideration and see him/ her as a value asset.



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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:13 PM

18. Sears was doing mail order shippments before anyone knew about an internet.

 

All they had to do is convert their catalog to a digital format and "update" their inventory".... They had "MASTERED" mail order purchasing decades ago.

Ignorant Management, I agree with 100%. First Off, it never should have been on the Stock Ticker in any way that anyone could buy and take control over it. They were decades ahead in their business model... and stupid people refusing to change and modify, has destroyed many business.

I know plenty of people who still prefer to go in a store and browse about, for what they want to purchase. Internet sales will never destroy the whole of 'fixed location stores"... It's damaged it tremendously. Internet resolved the issue of shop lifting, and maybe a high volume of "overstocking". But it certainly did cost a great mass of people to become "UNEMPLOYED".

When we as a society regain understanding to learn again, its not just about what we want to buy, its doing it so, the communities that we live can thrive and that means "people working" to engage in not only the sales aspect of what we buy, but in the industrial production of it. That's a value that is far and beyond momentary convenience of healthy and mobile people not leaving ones home".
I'd much rather have some interaction with other human beings, in the process than punching some numbers in a keyboard, and waiting on something to come in the mail.
If I can't find something local, I will order it via internet. But... I am not a dominant internet shopper. I'm particular about the type of material a shirt is made of and what it actually "feels like", as well as "slacks/pants". the Internet can say anything, but they can't let me feel the material.

Some thing are far from the quality that imagery on a web site present. I've bought gadgets, and immediately had to try and find a maker of the battery it has, and order and Upgraded battery, to get some time usage out of the unit.

Some people shop incessantly on the internet, as long as it will accept that credit card number. The older I get the more I find that I don't need all the things I think I want, and when I do want something, I want to have a needful usage of it, and I want it to be durable enough to perform to the level it claims.

( I bought a knife sharpener, for my kitchen, this thing is so poorly made, just trying to hold the knife in the slot, causes the sharpening wheel to practically stop, because the motor is too weak.
some of the stuff being sold is made to be disposed of, because the parts if it breaks may likely not be available.

Sears.... had the potential to make the transition, but as far back as the late 1970's early 1980's they were loosing touch with society.

It's like the company that use to make Telephones, they kept cranking out analog phone, when chip technology had become so common, that people were giving away, time pieces with chip technology.
But not only upper management, the management on the production like was so busy riding herd over people and playing biased games with employees, they could not even see the tidal wave coming even when the water was above their ankles.

We watched the Airline Industry blind themselves thinking they were "too big" to be concerned about Low Cost Carriers, and the result is Low Cost Carries took over and dominated the Domestic Market, then the big Carriers had to go to prop jets, in effort to compete, and the market has never recovered, now flying is like "airborn cattle cars".... with no respect for the traveling passenger, because in America... WE CHOSE to accept paying our money without getting "quality services" which business use to be built upon.

We even screwed up places, for example: like Hawaii, where service is so poor for the average person on vacation, but if you travel to places in the Asian Pacific, they "pride themselves on their services" and they invest to try to have the best that technology has to offer than is modernized for the convenience and ease of tourist to want to return.

The Average family can't even afford to go to Disneyland or other Theme Parks.... because American Greed has dominated and diminished everything, for the American people.

When it comes to America... practically no one even wants many American Made products, and in some categories, people avoid it because they know its made cheap, and likely is filled with nothing but "foreign made parts"... so... no one is willing to pay for an American Name Brand.... except those caught up the "media commercials"...

people who know what something should be, will search out information, and find the model that is "quality" and "durable" when they choose to spend their money.

It use to be America Made Good Products, and American People were PROUD of the company they worked for and was devoted to do a good jobs... UNTIL... we became a "degree obsessed society", and everything went downhill and is even going faster, with expanding the poor quality into every category that is imaginable.

Before long, China will do just like Japan did, and that's stop focusing on making cheap stuff just because American Business men ask for it to be made cheap. They will eventually run such business types away, to attract only the types who want to promote "quality products" and China will establish Name Brands the same as Japan did, with thinking like "Sony" and "Honda Cars"....

How many decades that Chevy could not even come close to competing with a Honda Accord. China already is growing weary of contaminating their own lands with waste materils from mass producing cheap stuff. As they become more environmentally concerned, they will focus on "quality standards and durable goods" production... and we again, will sitting back looking dumbfounded.

We have no respect to care for "legacy business and industry"... China is not selling any Marquee Anything, to any person outside of China. Because they have a long traditional history that is firmly connected to preserving legacy.

Here... Greed Rules and Spin a Buck for it, by any means.... is the American Standard, of abuse anything to make a profit. It's a non sustainable concept.... and will bring more and more categorical economic crashes to sweep across this country.



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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:55 PM

21. W. T. F. nt

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 03:51 PM

29. One of their recent CEOs, Lampert, was an Ayn Randian

And introduced Objectiism into the stores, wanting the different departments to act selfishly, to try and outdo the other departments, etc. thinking that would help turn them around. Surprise, surprise, it didn't.

I'm not saying he's the cause, but he didn't help.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 04:08 PM

32. With bare respect, this is a leap too far.

Race was not an factor in the Sears story, its a classic tale of jumping the shark. The management made a series of bad decisions that set off a decline in quality and service that ultimately killed the brand and the company couldn't recover.

You're saying white managers are not as smart as black managers, making race the key factor in your assertion. If the shoe was on the other foot that sounds very much like racism. Is there a new word for it now?

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Response to procon (Reply #32)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 05:06 PM

34. Think broader... I said, they should go to the black colleges and seek people to run it

 

they likely will bring a different perspective and different approach in how the business is run, and what options may be engaged, that are quite different from the historical white male mind who seem to have cycled in many times and it still failed. Maybe the black person might fail, but at least give it the same of opportunity to try.

Have you ever heard of "Diversity" as being a matter of someone bringing a different perspective than the one that has been in place. Geez!
I wonder if some of the people in this site is as democratic as they claim, when they get so out of sorts when anything about race, ethnicity and culture is brought up in subject, but they claim they are in support of diversity. It makes one wonder?? !!.

I gave enough examples about "diversity being and bringing a different perspective" and still you try to twist it because its been basically white dominated in the CEO capacity and its Failed over and over miserable.

Heck, look what it took in America for America to Improve American Automobiles... It took the innovation and improvement made by the Japanese, the S. Koreans and Others from other ethnic countries to "Bring new Ideas and change the automotive industry"... Now people understand the usage of 4 and 6 cylinders far better and many other improvements, people from various diversity brought to the table.


Heck, America would still have the stupidity of segregation, if black people had not continually pushed for something different and inclusive. That should alone signal that diversity brings perspective that can and do work.

...in America the only thing standing in the way of a better functioning and more inclusive multicultural society, is the various white people, who refuse to change.

I know one thing is true... opening opportunity for a black person at the helm as CEO of SEARS sure can't make it any worst than it is....

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 05:38 PM

35. You're using race as the exclusive criteria that would have saved Sears.

Expecting that any minority group, be it based on race, gender, age, what have you, will be successful simply because they might have various perspectives, is an reasonable assertion that led to this flawed conclusion. Diversity is about inclusion, it does not translate into some sort of innate ability to predict the purchasing demographics of American consumers.

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Response to procon (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 05:55 PM

36. Let' me help you understand...

 

OPPORTUNITY... TO TRY!!!!

THAT'S WHAT THE POINT IS ABOUT... IF YOU'VE TRIED ALL THESE WHITE MEN FOR DECADES, THEN BE OPEN TO TRY PEOPLE FROM OTHER ETHNIC PERSPECTIVE...

GEEZ....

if you don't understand that, its no need for me to seek to help you understand the point of the commentary, because you have made up your mind, and if that's the case, No problem.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #36)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:27 PM

39. So its like, "What have you got to lose?"

Whites have been bad managers at Sears, not because of their skin color, but because they did a terrible job, and you're asking how much worse could a black manager be based on their skin color? Hardly a ringing endorsement for this ethnically based strategy of business management that you're promoting.

There are laws that try to ensure equal opportunity in government employment, but that has never applied to private businesses. Being black, or a woman, gay, old, disabled, or any other minority group does not translate into a private sector job, let alone the corner office suite. From a practical standpoint, do you see any way that a law could be passed to force private companies to foster the equal opportunity programs that you envision?




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Response to procon (Reply #39)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:55 PM

42. Who said anything about passing a Law, if people here are so democratically minded,

 

then logic should imply one does not need a Law, to utilize "diversity" within the CEO positions in this country, and the only reason a law would be needed is because white people would get in the way and not embrace diversity. if people are so in support of the claimed of Democratic Ideal, it would be more concerned with the simplicity of "equality" in opportunity, rather than bringing up some need for another law to get white people to get out of the way and allow opportunity to be engaged with full diversity.

as to the bad CEO and their white skin... again, I said "diversity" which also implies likely different cultural and other experiences that can bring and add attributes they may well not have been used, maybe not even have been considered.

It's like music, black peoples input into music, changed the dynamics of America Music, but I already addressed that.

We saw Obama come in an approach the economy different from the "general format of white men" and it worked, to get this country off its economic knees and put constraint on the incessant gaming and gambling's. Now, what do we see but another "white man" in office, rolling things back to do the same things previous white men did that resulted in damage to the economy and people lives and the nations..

So, don't pretend you don't understand what I'm saying, because you don't like the idea or thought that a black person just may bring something different to the table that just might change the trajectory of Sears.

Let me show you something which your responses remind me of:

Stetson Kennedy, the author of Jim Crow Guide (1990), offered these simple rules that blacks were supposed to observe in conversing with whites:

Never assert or even intimate that a white person is lying.
Never impute dishonorable intentions to a white person.
Never suggest that a white person is from an inferior class.
Never lay claim to, or overly demonstrate, superior knowledge or intelligence.
Never curse a white person.
Never laugh derisively at a white person.
Never comment upon the appearance of a white female
.

That's the bullshit that was taught to white society for 100 yrs of Jim Crow Ideological Grooming within white society.

Your commentary keeps coming back as if its trying to re-validate that silliness, in your incessant aims to act like you did not interpret what was written.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #42)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 07:50 PM

44. Corporations don't work like that.

The Democratic Party does not supply CEOs, and the Board of Directors is only answerable to their shareholders who demand profits.

Obama applied the same Keynesian economic principles that Democrats have always used, not because he was black, but because he knew they work. Trump is not doing white man stuff, he's doing what all greedy, self-centered tyrants around the world have always done, regardless of their skin color. He is following the Republican creed of self enrichment which it all about amassing wealth.









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Response to procon (Reply #44)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 07:52 PM

45. I don't care to spin in a endless circle, think as it best suits

 

You are being absurd... no one suggested nor did I say any political part provided CEO. I said, if people are the so called Democrats they claim.. they'd be more in support of "DIVERSITY".... instead of an incessant challenge about it any time its discussed or race or ethnicity is discussed.

I'm sure you understood the points I made, if not... we each are certainly entitled to our views.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 04:40 PM

33. Demise of Sears

Jeff Bezos is a white guy and Amazon is killing brick and mortar retailers.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 08:02 PM

47. Oh, please. Time marches on. That's all there is to it...

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