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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-agent-accidental-shooting-denver-nightclub-mile-high-spirits-distillery-tasting-bar-2018-06-03/
DENVER -- An off-duty FBI agent dancing at a Denver nightclub accidentally discharged a firearm, wounding another patron in the leg, police said Saturday. The victim, an adult male, was rushed to a local hospital in good condition, said Denver police spokesman Sonny Jackson.
Police have refused to identify the hospital.
Jackson said the agent, whose identity wasn't released, was dancing at the downtown club around 12:45 a.m. Saturday when the firearm fell from the agent's waistband holster onto the floor. It discharged when the agent picked it up.
It's unclear if the FBI agent was drinking and authorities are awaiting blood tests to determine if alcohol was a factor in the incident, CBS Denver reports. Surveillance footage is also being reviewed.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 4, 2018, 08:56 AM - Edit history (1)
His career needs to be over regardless.
If he was drinking I hope he ends up criminally charged.
I suspect he was. He grabbed the gun with his finger on the trigger. Thats totally unsafe and absolutely not how FBI agents are trained, so that leads me to believe he was intoxicated in some form.
The way he tries to play it off and doesnt immediately try to assess if anyone was injured also leads me to believe he was intoxicated.
He also chose his holster poorly and his style of carry poorly for the kind of activity he was engaged in, if he wasnt intoxicated.
Im as pro-gun and pro-concealed carry as you will find here. But I do not give a damm who you are, from Joe Blow who lives in the poorest part of the poorest to to an agent in the highest law enforcement branch in the land- the moment you have one drink, one toke, or one pill that impairs your cognitive ability or motor skills you shouldnt have a gun on you, period. No excuses and no exceptions. I drive that point in hard repeatedly when I teach CCW and firearms safety classes.
And even when not intoxicated you have a responsibility to maintain your actions safely and modify your behaviors to fit the fact you are carrying. Want to carry? Then dont drink and dont be doing stupid dance moves. Want to drink and do stupid dance moves? Then dont carry.
Millions of people make those decisions responsibly every day. A few blow it, like him, every now and then. He shouldnt be trusted in any position of law enforcement again.
On exit- the more I think about it, the most damming thing here is by all account he didnt attempt at all to render aid to the man who was shot. Even if he was totally sober and it was just his negligence the fact he just walks away and does not rendaer aid to the wounded man is the most reprehensible thing here.
underpants
(182,763 posts)He doesn't appear to have a holster of any kind. Just tucked in the back of his pants.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Cant see what kind, but it is there.
underpants
(182,763 posts)Crabby Appleton
(5,231 posts)you can see the belt clasp for it when he flips. The better versions of this type have a thumb-break safety strap, but his lacks this feature.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)It was a clearly a negligent discharge. I'm not even sure there's such a thing as an accident where firearms are concerned. It's just a way to allow gun owners to not take any personal responsibility.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)There are accidental discharges but those are genuinely rare. 99% of the time its at least in part negligence.
A true accident can happen, like if you are hunting, see the game, take your safety off and the ground gives way under you and as you fall a branch gets into the trigger guard.
That would be an accident. You were doing everything right and a bad event happened to you anyway.
But if you were walking around with the safety off and it happens, then its at least in part negligent. Or if your finger is inside the trigger guard walking and you fall, thats negligent in how you carried the weapon. Most cases are more like that.
Its the same for driving. There are true accidents where nobody is as fault and bad stuff just happens. But in almost all cases your auto accidents were preventable and caused by one or more persons negligence.
In this case there wasnt an accident. He failed to maintain control of his handgun, then when he went to retrieve it he picked it up with a finger on the trigger.
Thats just negligence pure and simple.
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