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underpants

(182,763 posts)
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:12 AM Jun 2018

Dancing FBI agent loses gun during backflip, accidentally shoots bar patron (w/ VIDEO)

15 second ad precedes video of the incident

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-agent-accidental-shooting-denver-nightclub-mile-high-spirits-distillery-tasting-bar-2018-06-03/

DENVER -- An off-duty FBI agent dancing at a Denver nightclub accidentally discharged a firearm, wounding another patron in the leg, police said Saturday. The victim, an adult male, was rushed to a local hospital in good condition, said Denver police spokesman Sonny Jackson.

Police have refused to identify the hospital.

Jackson said the agent, whose identity wasn't released, was dancing at the downtown club around 12:45 a.m. Saturday when the firearm fell from the agent's waistband holster onto the floor. It discharged when the agent picked it up.

It's unclear if the FBI agent was drinking and authorities are awaiting blood tests to determine if alcohol was a factor in the incident, CBS Denver reports. Surveillance footage is also being reviewed.

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Dancing FBI agent loses gun during backflip, accidentally shoots bar patron (w/ VIDEO) (Original Post) underpants Jun 2018 OP
What a fucking idiot Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #1
Agreed. underpants Jun 2018 #2
I see a holster there Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #3
Ok. My mistake underpants Jun 2018 #6
He's wearing an inside-the-pants holster Crabby Appleton Jun 2018 #5
I don't know why they keep referring to it as an "accident". Crunchy Frog Jun 2018 #4
Yep, it's a negligent discharge Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Cha Jun 2018 #8
 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
1. What a fucking idiot
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 08:11 AM
Jun 2018

Last edited Mon Jun 4, 2018, 08:56 AM - Edit history (1)

His career needs to be over regardless.

If he was drinking I hope he ends up criminally charged.

I suspect he was. He grabbed the gun with his finger on the trigger. That’s totally unsafe and absolutely not how FBI agents are trained, so that leads me to believe he was intoxicated in some form.

The way he tries to play it off and doesn’t immediately try to assess if anyone was injured also leads me to believe he was intoxicated.

He also chose his holster poorly and his style of carry poorly for the kind of activity he was engaged in, if he wasn’t intoxicated.

I’m as pro-gun and pro-concealed carry as you will find here. But I do not give a damm who you are, from Joe Blow who lives in the poorest part of the poorest to to an agent in the highest law enforcement branch in the land- the moment you have one drink, one toke, or one pill that impairs your cognitive ability or motor skills you shouldn’t have a gun on you, period. No excuses and no exceptions. I drive that point in hard repeatedly when I teach CCW and firearms safety classes.

And even when not intoxicated you have a responsibility to maintain your actions safely and modify your behaviors to fit the fact you are carrying. Want to carry? Then don’t drink and don’t be doing stupid dance moves. Want to drink and do stupid dance moves? Then don’t carry.

Millions of people make those decisions responsibly every day. A few blow it, like him, every now and then. He shouldn’t be trusted in any position of law enforcement again.

On exit- the more I think about it, the most damming thing here is by all account he didn’t attempt at all to render aid to the man who was shot. Even if he was totally sober and it was just his negligence the fact he just walks away and does not rendaer aid to the wounded man is the most reprehensible thing here.

Crabby Appleton

(5,231 posts)
5. He's wearing an inside-the-pants holster
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 09:00 AM
Jun 2018

you can see the belt clasp for it when he flips. The better versions of this type have a thumb-break safety strap, but his lacks this feature.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
4. I don't know why they keep referring to it as an "accident".
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 08:56 AM
Jun 2018

It was a clearly a negligent discharge. I'm not even sure there's such a thing as an accident where firearms are concerned. It's just a way to allow gun owners to not take any personal responsibility.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
7. Yep, it's a negligent discharge
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 09:40 AM
Jun 2018

There are “accidental” discharges but those are genuinely rare. 99% of the time it’s at least in part negligence.

A true accident can happen, like if you are hunting, see the game, take your safety off and the ground gives way under you and as you fall a branch gets into the trigger guard.

That would be an accident. You were doing everything right and a bad event happened to you anyway.

But if you were walking around with the safety off and it happens, then it’s at least in part negligent. Or if your finger is inside the trigger guard walking and you fall, that’s negligent in how you carried the weapon. Most cases are more like that.

It’s the same for driving. There are true “accidents” where nobody is as fault and bad stuff just happens. But in almost all cases your auto “accidents” were preventable and caused by one or more persons negligence.

In this case there wasn’t an accident. He failed to maintain control of his handgun, then when he went to retrieve it he picked it up with a finger on the trigger.

That’s just negligence pure and simple.

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