Criticizing Clinton for not apologizing to Lewinsky is divisive, so it shouldn't be brought up on DU

[EffieBlack]

I mean, this topic clearly is causing lots of disagreement and people are lining up on different sides of the issue, so doesn't that make it divisive? And if we're not going to allow discussions of certain topics because they're "divisive," we should at least be consistent.



Now, here's a really cute giraffe video we can all watch together:

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. Yes, bringing up the past is uncomforable and painful and should not be done.

Much better to look at cute animals. Yes indeed.

[EffieBlack]

3. *I* didn't have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky, so why should I have to keep hearing about it?

It makes me uncomfortable.

Let's talk about something else.

Like puppies and monkeys!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

8. Unpacking what was going on and holding people accountable might make me question my role

in allowing such things to happen or otherwise make it clear that something in my belief system and/or behavior needs to change, so instead please do enjoy these goats playing on a metal sheet.

[teach1st]

10. I'd like to point out that

A Google search for "house training a monkey" (search with quotes) returns two results. Two. Which is two more than a Google search (again, with quotes) for "house training a giraffe."

Be that as it may, I'd rather have a giraffe in my house than a monkey, house trained or not, as long as there's a raised ceiling. Monkeys are known to sling poo, whereas giraffes can't sling for shit.

I don't think anybody wants an elephant in the room, whether they should talk about it or not.

[EffieBlack]

14. Monkeys also play with themselves unashamedly, which is pretty awkward when Grandma visits

So, I vote for the giraffes, too.

[ProudLib72]

22. You are not allowed to post videos of monkeys

According to some people, that's ultra divisive.

[dawg day]

31. Okay, that was really sweet.

The monkey and the puppy, I mean.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. Stormy was in the past. Cohen's shenanigans were in the past.....etc etc.

[trueblue2007]

23. I agree. No Clinton bashing please

[jalan48]

2. A video of an ostrich would be more fitting.

[yallerdawg]

4. Giraffes?

I thought we were doing hippos this week?

[EffieBlack]

5. Are you trying to be disruptive?

[irisblue]

6. Effie. 👏👏👏

point

[Kajun Gal]

7. Why should he apologize? It was a mutual affair.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

16. It's called a hostile work environment...

When everyone in the office knows the boss is having sex with a co-worker, that's a problem. A good female friend was in that situation with an immediate supervisor who was having sexual relations with two of her co-workers, all consensual, but created tension and anxiety among those who refused to engage in such behavior and were not given what was perceived to be preferential treatment.

[EffieBlack]

21. That's not a reason he has to apologize to Lewinsky

And, not to be flip, but what you describe is the opposite of what happened. Clinton went out of his way to keep the relationship secret and did everything he could to make sure no one knew about his or Monica’s behavior. That’s what got him in trouble.

[dawg day]

32. And he did apologize to her. Publically.

What he said was that he had not spoken to her since, which, uh, was probably a condition of staying married.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

34. I'm not saying Bill had to apologize to Monica...

My comment was directed to your statement characterizing the relationship merely as an "affair."

What I will say is Monica was telling people about the sexual goings on in the office of the President, his secretary knew what was going on, no doubt the rumor mill was flying... so, Bill's desire to keep his sexploits of a young intern a secret is irrelevant and does little to ameliorate the negative work environment he created.

[Loki Liesmith]

28. Lol no

[smirkymonkey]

9. Totally agree.

This is bullshit!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. So let our Democrat spokespeople act like asses? Don't discuss because people

disagree? What girl?

[standingtall]

13. I agree

We are not to trash democratic figures. Bill Clinton is 2 term Democratic President if he does not constitute a Democratic figure no one does.

[cynatnite]

15. Any apology that comes is between him and his wife. EOM

[Eko]

17. Those giraffe ears are awesome.

Divisive, the right to an abortion was divisive, the right to vote for all was divisive, the end of torture was divisive, change always is. We can certainly talk about Bill all we want, along with others that caucus with us without having to respond to the divisive charge because we know in the end its a junk argument. Its someone saying they don't like it. It offends them and hurts what they think the party should be.

[Rene]

18. lewinsky should apologize to Hillary

[EffieBlack]

19. I was just about to post that Hillary has to be thinking

“What the f$ck? This woman seduces my husband and then I get blamed for it and now HE’s supposed to apologize to HER?! I’m still waiting for HER to apologize to ME!”

[LAS14]

20. Yup! nt

[dawg day]

33. yeah--

I was in that situation long ago... and I would be FURIOUS, frankly, if my stupidhead man made a big deal about having to "apologize" to the woman. I would assume they were getting it on again.

And there goes the marriage. And she'd then be stuck with him, so maybe that was what they would both deserve. <G>

But really, it would be great if Bill Clinton would shut up just for a while.

[EffieBlack]

40. He doesn't need to shut up

He has plenty of valuable things to say. He just needs to stop being asked stupid questions about played out 20-year-old sh}t that doesn't matter anymore.

[secondwind]

24. This is crazy. Whatever happened was consensual.

[Bettie]

27. It was also a long time ago

and was endlessly discussed, debated, and rehashed over and over when it was a current event.

It isn't as if there is new information in this. Now, if it were a whole new incident, then fine, we should discuss it, but it isn't.

We need to look forward.

[Caliman73]

25. Giraffes are horrible animals and they have no place on DU!

They have a very deadly kick and have gone after people in their proximity.

ANYTHING can be divisive!

[mythology]

26. Most people can discern the difference between talking about an individual's actions

and using a slur to disparage an entire group of people while claiming to be engaging in a legitimate discussion. Personally I'd be embarrassed to confuse the two things as they really aren't similar at all.

[MontanaMama]

29. I feel like it was Chuck Todd

that started this most recent conversation about his not being able to get past Bill Clinton not apologizing to Monica Lewinsky or at least not apologizing to his personal satisfaction. Can we agree that Chuck Todd is a pain in the butt? Anyone? Looking for some common ground here...

[betsuni]

30. I agree, it shouldn't be brought up ear.

[The empressof all]

35. Our country is burning....We can argue about Clinton later

But...I do like giraffes....

[retread]

36. Ha! Nice one. n/t

[oberliner]

37. Almost no one has

There are only a handful of threads on that topic (including this one).

[EffieBlack]

41. Which you have very helpfully kicked. Thanks, Boo!

[Cosmocat]

38. Yes, let's all obediently do the Republicans bidding

And Bash Clinton's.

[Gothmog]

39. K&R

[FSogol]

42. Not all giraffes!

[B2G]

43. The echo chamber must remain pure.

I expect to see a similar post about Wypipo any minute now.

[tavernier]

44. A giraffe?

Why not a calf marching with a staff?
Now that would make me laugh!


*But Her Blue Dress!!!!!*