Why did Rand Paul get is ass kicked by his neighbor? Because he's a fucking asshole!

[TheBlackAdder]

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It turns out, the neighbor wasn't some mental idiot. Rand Paul is just that much of a dick!

Note: Having a shitty HOA doesn't help either.


Here's the the start of the shit that was going on. . .

In September, Paul piled limbs and trimmings from shrubs in a 5-foot-high and 10-foot-long pile near the property line between them. Boucher, who called the pile “unsightly,” after several weeks moved the debris into portable dumpsters and had them taken away.

In October, Paul reconstructed the pile. A few days later, Boucher again had them hauled away. Less than 10 days later, Paul again made another pile of limbs and leaves, again in the same spot. Boucher took his beef to the Rivergreen Homeowner’s Association, but it did not help.

On Nov. 2, Boucher hit some kind of limit with his patience. He poured gasoline on the pile of debris and set it on fire. The resulting fireball gave him second-degree burns on his arms, neck, and face.

The next day, Paul, possibly underestimating the depths of his neighbor’s rage, used his lawnmower to blow leaves from his property onto Boucher’s. Then he piled on the insults: “During this process, Rand Paul stepped away from his lawnmower, gathered several branches from an adjacent pile of trash, and placed them in the exact location where the last pile had been burned just one day prior.”

Then, the ass-kicking occurred because Paul was one of those asshole neighbors, and the HOA protected him.

The prosecutor wanted a 21-month prison sentence, but was reduced to probation.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/rene-boucher-describes-attack-on-neighbor-rand-paul.html?via=homepage_recirc_engaged

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[dameatball]

1. Rand needs to realize that trash erections have consequences.

[lapucelle]

6. "Neighborhood Dick's Trash Erections ..."

...the headlines could write themselves.

[dalton99a]

2. His neighbor was too kind.

[smirkymonkey]

10. I agree with you.

I knew there was a damn good reason for the ass-kicking. Rand got off lightly.

[gratuitous]

3. Sounds like it worked out just dandy from Paul's perspective

Libertarians love getting something for nothing. Paul piled up his crap twice, and twice his exasperated neighbor had it hauled away at the neighbor's expense. So much winning, as far as Paul was concerned. But you would have heard his squawks of outrage on Venus if Boucher had turned around and demanded that Paul reimburse him.

[mythology]

4. So wait, your claim is that the neighbor went onto his property

Repeatedly, took stuff, lit a fire and the assaulted Paul, and somehow that's Paul's fault? Nope the neighbor is a violent pain in the ass who needs anger management lessons.

[RandomAccess]

12. I'm afraid

you and I are the only ones who see the neighbor at fault here, at least in the beginning. Things get out of hand and I'm not sure about all the rest.

[LisaM]

25. A five-foot high and ten-foot long pile of debris on the property line...

that was left there for weeks. I don't know that Boucher went onto his property, just removed stuff that was on the property line.

I think it sounds as if Rand Paul was trying to provoke him after the first incident. Mission accomplished!

[mythology]

26. None of that excuses physical violence

If this were any random two people nobody here would be excusing this.

[LisaM]

27. I'm not excusing the physical violence.

But if you continually try to provoke someone and the other person reaches a breaking point, I think blame should be assigned to both parties. WTF is wrong with Rand Paul? Why would he keep doing that?

[mythology]

42. You are absolutely excusing violence because you don't like Paul

There is no provocation. It's Paul's property. The HOA confirmed it didn't violate their rules. The neighbor can go fuck off. It's not his property. If my neighbor wants to paint his house lime green, and I don't like it, I don't get to go punch him in the face. It's utterly immoral that people are defending this.

Short of a valid threat of violence, throwing the first punch makes you the bad guy. This isn't hard.

[LisaM]

44. I think they are both wrong

I just don't understand deliberately bothering your neighbor and keeping an eyesore on someone's property line. It's childish.

[jberryhill]

49. Have you ever had broken ribs?

Just curious

[Lee-Lee]

64. Read again- "near" the property line, not "on"

That’s an important distinction. Near means in Paul’s side, while on or over woukdnindicate Paul put it partially or all on his neighbors property.


From a legal standpoint it makes all the difference

[jberryhill]

48. Yes. Welcome to DU

Physical assault is fine with many people as a solution to life’s problems.

[niyad]

69. mythology has been heresi nce 2010

[jberryhill]

70. Well, I meant the new DU

Where breaking someone's bones is an appropriate response to a dispute over yard cleaning.

[LanternWaste]

67. I saw reference to additional context

I saw reference to additional context, not assignment or reassignment of blame or fault.

You do realize an innocent person can be a petulant asshole irrelevant of the what the guilty party may or may not be, yes? Happens rather often.

[treestar]

73. It does not appear that the "stuff" was of any value

The fire was stupid, though.

[WillowTree]

78. Whether "of value" or not.......

........if the pile was on Paul's property, Mr. Violent Neighbor had no business whatsoever touching it, let alone hauling it off or torching it. None.

[treestar]

83. True. Though maybe Rand's assholery could affect

the sentence - that and the fact the stuff was just trash and the neighbor paid to have it taken away. Doesn't justify violence or say he was not guilty of a crime, but it could mean the sentence is less severe than it would have been.

[ExciteBike66]

77. I don't think anyone is saying Paul is "at fault" in any legal sense.

We are saying he is an asshole, which is clearly true.

[Corgigal]

5. Paul sounds insane.

I mean, what normal human does this?

[czarjak]

22. L-I-B-E-R-T-A-R-I-A-N!

[roamer65]

7. I had to work closely with a right wing libertarian once.

He was the one the most useless, self absorbed, loud mouthed pricks I have ever dealt with in my life. Also a horrible backstabber and incredibly lazy.

[JI7]

16. Libertarians are usually worse than usual republicans

[safeinOhio]

21. The Gospel of John Galt says

empathy is a sin and weakness.

[barbtries]

34. i think most of them

are actually republicans who don't want to say so.

[47of74]

36. Yeah so did I

I would always be so tired when he was around cause he sucked the life right out of the room.

[Codeine]

46. A libertarian is just a Republican who likes

to smoke weed.

[Paladin]

8. Easy to see Paul as the neighborhood prick. Very easy indeed.

I figured there was a story to go with the prior headlines. Being a wealthy doctor/politician's son, never wanting for anything in his entire lifetime, Paul is exhibiting the same kind of snotty entitlement as trump. Fuck him and the wood piles he's constructed.

[ProudLib72]

9. This is how I imagine Rand Paul and his neighbor

[UTUSN]

11. PARDON!1

[oasis]

15. Paul got his sorry ass kicked. His "sparring partner" got probation.

All's well that ends well.

[former9thward]

18. I guess you forgot about the lawsuit for personal damages.

[oasis]

19. The neighbor's atty. should research everything Rand has said in

favor of tort reform, and present it in court.

[former9thward]

40. Which has no meaning in a court case.

Court cases don't care about high school debating points.

[oasis]

45. Civil court. If Paul tries to take the guy to the cleaners,

defense can present his past statements to the jury in an effort to limit the damages.

Otoh, they may settle out of court with a promise from the neighbor not to kick his ass again.

I trust Paul will go out of his way not to create the conditions that would bring on another trip to the hospital.

[Lurker Deluxe]

52. right

Because if he assaults Paul again they will just lengthen his probation.

not

[oasis]

54. Paul not about to risk another ass whuppin'.

That I can guarantee.

[Lurker Deluxe]

55. so you think

That a "pillar of the community" is about to risk prison time?

Assuming he does not get prison time for this? They are asking for 21 months in prison, if he gets probation and violates that by assaulting Paul again he will do two years, minimum ... that I can guarantee.

I bet he does not even look at Paul, damn sure will not speak to him, and if anyone is worried ... it ain't Paul.

If Paul is the dick that he seems to be he will pile that shit right back up where it was and dare him to touch it.

[oasis]

58. Paul's a master at backing down. If you've checked out

his 180 degree turnaround act he routinely springs on the senate you'd know what I was talking about. He annoys his GOP pals with threats to vote with the opposition, then gets back on board with GOP at crunch time. It's his character. He knows no one in the senate is going to do him physical harm. I know all about these little chicken shit types.

Paul is not willing to roll the dice by provoking someone he knows could go off on his ass again.

[Lurker Deluxe]

60. ok

Sure ...

Of coarse he is not afraid that anyone in the senate will go off on him, it is a pretty straight forward assumption in most everyday interactions with people that they will not physically assault you, even in verbal conflict. Those that have that fear are the dumb fucks who call the police over loud music instead of knocking on the door and asking them to turn it down.

If, a big if, this man gets no prison time he will certainly get a restraining order against interaction with Paul. He will almost certainly be sued and have to pay out. And if you think after that this man will even get anywhere near Paul you are mistaken. He will most likely move.

How the 535 members of congress play the game has very little to do with their real life. You think those members who always stick to their position and never waiver are what? Bad asses in real life who beat the shit out of anyone who disagrees with them?

I know all about these bad ass mf'ers who never back down ...

[former9thward]

65. You are dreaming.

His thug neighbor plead guilty to a criminal charge. In civil court that is golden. I practice real law not internet law.

[oasis]

71. Since you claim to practice "real law" you should know

that a jury often sympathizes with the defendant because of the irrational/provocative actions of the plaintiff. Such mitigating factors can have tremendous weight in determining the amount of the award to the plaintiff. That said, Paul would probably settle out of court so he can minimize any publicity which would reveal the depth of his obnoxiousness.

[former9thward]

75. Sorry to disappoint you.

This will never see a courtroom. The insurance company will settle at the max of their coverage.

[LanternWaste]

81. Disappointment often rears its head.

Disappointment often rears its head. Like the inaccuracy of alleging no cases of Ebola would ever surface in the US had "just one policy by CDC been implemented..."

[oasis]

84. Please read #71. "settle out of court" plainly stated.

Btw whatever the outcome of the settlement or court ruling, would not disappoint me.

Paul learned the hard way that being an obnoxious asshole can be hazardous to one's health. Education is a good thing.

[former9thward]

88. Nice to see you favor thuggery as a means of education.

Knowing these people as I know them the neighbor will not have a good end. They never do...

[oasis]

90. "Favor thuggery"? No, not me.

Just Monday morning quarterbacking on an already done deed. I didn't prod the neighbor into kicking the shit out of Paul. It was Paul's actions that brought the hammer down on his own sorry ass.
Paul would be the first one to tell you, that is, if he possesed an ounce of honesty.

Anyway, I won't be eagerly awaiting the outcome of the court proceedings. Got better things on my mind. Although I have yet another "life story" to tell my grandkids about . It's a perfect example of "tweaking the tiger's tail".

[former9thward]

91. Oh so now the victim "prodded" the assault.

Sounds like defense lawyers who say women wore provocative clothing and were responsible for their assault. Sorry, fortunately it doesn't work that way anymore. At least most of the time. The guy was a thug and will always be a thug. And karma works against thugs in the end.

[oasis]

92. I'll just leave you with this.

Had Paul refrained from REPEATEDLY piling dead shrubbery on the property line, against the expressed wishes of his neighbor, he would have saved himself a long visit to the hospital. He got his ass kicked to a fare-thee-well for being a dunce as well as a jerk.

Provocative clothing on women has jack to do with it, but being a lawyer, you already knew that.

Nice talk. Bye, bye

[ooky]

13. How you treat your neighbors says a lot about you.

[Yavin4]

14. Shouldn't the invisible hand protect Rand from getting his ass kicked? n/t

[tonedevil]

33. I think it would be...

more appropriate if the invisible hand smacked the senator soundly about head and shoulders.

[Generic Brad]

41. Only if he has an invisible ass

And I doubt that since he is a visible ass.

[JI7]

17. After reading all this i can understand the neighbors actions

[WillowTree]

79. Really?

You can justify physical violence over a pile of yard waste which, while unreasonably large, is on the victim's property and, apparently not technically a violation of the HOA rules? Broken bones and all?

Speechless..............

[YOHABLO]

20. If I lived next door to him, I'd put my house up for sale.

[paleotn]

23. Should have been reduced to nothing...

Seemed like a perfectly legal ass kicking to me. He had cause.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

24. Sounds like he had it coming

[MichMan]

31. So if my neighbor does something to anger me with a pile of brush....

….it's considered OK for me to assault him and break his ribs?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

38. It's not a simple pile of brush.

It's piling it on the property line, then piling it up again two more times.

Personally, I might have just shoved the brush all the way back onto the neighbor's (Paul's) property, but I have fences separating me from my neighbors, so that's not going to happen here.

[Lurker Deluxe]

50. ?

"near the property line"

Not on it ... who defines "near"?

Is that ten feet, twenty feet? How can you shove something back onto someone's property when it is already on their property?

How much property? When is heavy trash? Quarterly? Sounds like Paul spent a couple months cleaning up some trees and was stacking the shit. Maybe to dry ... after all throwing gasoline on a pile of wet brush and setting it on fire is a really bad idea, which the neighbor clearly learned.

This website is weird, make no mistake if you reverse the parties this would be treated completely different.

I own property, I can and do what ever the hell I please on that property, I have pissed of the neighbors on occasion ... to f'n bad.

[Freddie]

59. I believe the HOA does not allow fences

Or even trees or shrubs along property lines. The old saying "good fences make good neighbors" would certainly apply here, but for the HOA.
Paul got the neighbor to haul away his trash **at the neighbor's expense** twice, and was working on a third time! Can't blame the guy for being pissed although violence is never the answer.
Paul could certainly afford to hire people to do his yard work but it's more "libertarian" to get someone to do it for free.
When house-hunting years ago our #1 rule was NO HOA. Luckily they're not really common around here.

[WillowTree]

80. It was already ON Paul's property.

This guy had to trespass onto Paul's property to "steal" the pile of yard waste.......twice.......and then to commit arson.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

57. Only if he is a right-wing scum-sucking D-bag. Fair enough?

[sl8]

28. According to the article, sentencing hasn't happened yet.

Prosecution asked for 21 months, defense asked for probation.

...

Now, as the neighbor, retired anesthesiologist Rene Boucher, has admitted guilt and is requesting a sentence of probation instead of prison time, more details have emerged about their feud.

In a 10-page memorandum filed Friday and obtained by the Bowling Green Daily News, Boucher’s attorney argued that the prosecution’s request of 21 months in prison was too severe, given Boucher’s reputation as a “pillar of his community” and the isolated nature of the offense.

...

Boucher will be sentenced on Friday.

[treestar]

82. good point, maybe Rand's actions

can affect the sentence.

[bitterross]

29. I knew there had to be a back-story.

Not surprised Rand is that big of a dick. Also not surprised the HOA kissed the ass of the Senator and ignored the other home owner. That's the way it works in the South. Title and position means you are untouchable.

[Salviati]

30. Sounds like he's living out his libertarian philosophy

I'm sure he things that what he does on his own property is is own business, regardless of what effects it may have on his neighbors. Some might say "That's not being a libertarian, that's just being an asshole", but I say "what's the difference?"

[Kaleva]

32. Looks like the the neighbor was some kind of mental idiot

If he has any gunz, I hope they get taken away from him forever.

[jb5150]

35. There's little doubt that Paul is an arrogant douche,

but the neighbor could have handled the situation better. Perhaps the neighbor should have consulted an attorney to see if there was something legally that could be done, he clearly could afford a lawyer.

[treestar]

85. +1

The HOA allowing it seems a bit strange, too. Usually, when you have those, they want the area looking pristine, so Rand's piles of trash being OK might be more Senatorial privilege and influence than really being OK with piles of trash in a ritzy neighborhood.

[progressoid]

37. Seems like they are both assholes.

[cynatnite]

72. There is probably a long history of spats between the two assholes...

Totally agree.

[oasis]

39. Knowing Paul, will he pile up the brush again?

ass whoopin' number two? No way.

[Lee-Lee]

43. I hate to say it but reading deeper Paul wasn't in the wrong as far as I see

The reports I see say Paul put the pile of sticks near the property line. Not on or over. And since it was filed by the defense as their account if it was on the line or over it they would have noted it.

So Paul stacks sticks in his property, but near the line.

Neighbor doesn’t like it, goes on Paul’s property and hauls then away.

Keeps doing that and eventually sets fire to the stack, once again on Pauls property.

Gets so enraged over a pile of sticks and some leaves he eventually assaulted someone and inflicted serious injury.

From all my reading while Rand Paul may be an ass it doesn’t sound like he was the party at any point who was legally in the wrong. An asshole for sure to do something you know your neighbor doesn’t like, but not illegal. On the other hand the neighbor seems to be a bigger asshole, who also violates the law when he doesn’t like something.

[LisaM]

51. Five feet tall and ten feet long.

Not a "pile of sticks".

[Lurker Deluxe]

62. correct

Not a pile of sticks ... depending on depth it would be just over a cord of firewood.

Should someone who stacks a cord of firewood in THEIR yard be beaten? Only if we do not like their politics!

[Lee-Lee]

63. That's irrelevant to the matter in a legal sense

As long as he was putting them on his side of the property line, even if it was “near” the line as the accounts say, he can stack them as high as he wants.

If it’s against zoning laws in his area or violates other codes, there is a way to go about that.

Likewise if it violated the HOA rules the HOA has legal remedies. And if the HOA refuses to do their job then the neighbor can take legal action against them and Paul in civil court.

I doubt anything in KY law says if a pile of stick exceeds a certain size neighbors can just go on private property and remove it or set in on fire.

[GeorgeGist]

47. Old proverb ...

Fences make good neighbors.

[oasis]

53. I like this one:

"Don't let your foolish acts write a check that your ass can't cash".

[njhoneybadger]

56. Fuck Ayn Rand Paul,he is a phony and a bullshitter. I hope his neighbor kicks the shit out of him

Again

[DeminPennswoods]

61. Pretty lienient HOA if you ask me

My experience is that most HOAs or condo associations strictly regulate outside appearances. I can't imagine an HOA that's ok with an owner leaving a big pile of brush in their yard. That devalues the homes in the entire community because who wants to live next door to someone whose yard is full of unsightly yard waste?

[Mariana]

68. Such brush piles attract pests, too.

Mice, rats, snakes, biting insects, etc.

[treestar]

86. This

It is odd that the HOA is OK with it.

[salin]

89. But when the violator is a U.S. senator.... exception.

And I imagine that would be true regardless of the jerky neighbor's party affiliation.

[Orsino]

66. Being an asshole is probably required by the HOA's covenants.

I'd bet there's a clause in there, right below where they crossed out the section on being white.

[Bonx]

74. The neighbor was the 'fucking asshole'.

Or maybe just not right in the head. Looks the same in practice.

[samir.g]

76. Because he deserved it!

He earned that beating.

[bluedigger]

87. Do they live in a forest?

How much lawn debris does Paul have?