Durbin spitting🔥over Trump's executive order:

[MelissaB]

Durbin spitting🔥over Trump's executive order: "His new Executive Order criminalizes asylum-seekers and seeks to indefinitely detain their children. Locking up whole families is no solution at all." Asks Rs to "call for an end to this monstrous Trump Administration policy."

Link to tweet

[C_U_L8R]

1. Here's an idea

How about calling for an end to this monstrous Trump administration. Period.
We need to hear actual calls for his resignation. It's way past time and
this latest fiasco only proves it. Things will get worse unless something is done.

[MelissaB]

2. I'm not sure how I'm going to make it through the rest of it.

The last 2 days have been especially brutal.

[displacedtexan]

5. Remember that lapel pin everyone wore in "The Truman Show"?

It read, How Will It End?

I think about that pin a lot these days. I may have to make one.

[lunasun]

6. This

[displacedtexan]

10. That's it! Thanks!

I think I'll get one of those badge maker kits.

[lunasun]

11. Check online for the pin it's for sale I think

[Oppaloopa]

14. Great idea.

[lunatica]

13. Take heart

A luta continua, vitória é certa.

The struggle continues, victory is certain.

[erronis]

80. I agree, but the opposite side does this well. They wear down the resistance. They never give up.

I don't know what motivates them (the RW) to promote such hatred and disdain for civility.

But school boards and select boards and state legislatures and federal positions have been under a relentless attack from something/someone that doesn't want democracy. It started 40-50 years ago but the tempo is much, much stronger in the last 8-10 years.

Dump and his cabinet and known advisers aren't smart enough to pull this off by themselves. They're just hiding the real underlying manipulation. US/foreign/multi-national based? Someone must know.

[gopiscrap]

27. as the chld of a refugee and an immigrant myself it has hit home hard for me!

[Rhiannon12866]

41. The thing is, we all come from immigrants

Some more recently than others, but none of us would be here if someone didn't have the courage to come here and start a new life. In my case, it was maternal grandparents and paternal great grandparents. I can't help wondering if they'd be welcome here today.

[gopiscrap]

43. I have wondered about that too in fact....

my entry into the US wasn't smooth, the earliest thing I remember is having rocks thrown at me and being called a Nazi

[Rhiannon12866]

48. That is perfectly horrible!

There is no one in this country who is here now that didn't come from immigrants. It seems like each new wave of immigrants is initially unwelcome which is a hypocritical shame! How soon people forget. I don't. My mother was born here, but her first language was not English. And the Trump administration seems oblivious to who the nazis actually were.

[BumRushDaShow]

71. "There is no one in this country who is here now that didn't come from immigrants."

OR enslaved Africans dragged kicking and screaming here in chains. Slavery was NOT "immigration". It was human trafficking and that time period when this trafficking occurred is commonly called "The Middle Passage".

My ancestors experienced a HORRIBLE life here and as the generations progressed, after "breeding" between different African ethnic groups and the slave masters and/or their (mostly Irish and many indentured) overseers, we have no idea where on the African continent we originated. Everything was taken from us - names, religions, languages, and cultures, and we have spent 400 years trying to piece it back together, which has often resulted in a mish mash of "Americanized African culture".

My ancestors did NOT choose to come here and their descendants (including me) are STILL fighting for that "better life" now that we ARE here. WE know what this is about with these poor Central Americans - children separated and families in anguish. Hell, millions of AA ancestors were bred like farm animals, with husbands and wives (or partners) and children separated, branded or re-branded, and sold to various plantations - forced to work the fields to "make America great" for hundreds of years with no pay, and with only some abolitionists trying to speak out against it like you see many Americans doing today for these poor families.

[Scarsdale]

73. Sad, but true.

I do wonder about something, though. Mexico has strict immigration laws. Supposedly, anyone entering their border is returned home. How did these thousands of people with small kids, manage to get through, travel the length of Mexico, and end up being USA's problem? Was this planned? Is this done to shame the US president? He does not feel shame about anything so citizens will bear that.

[BumRushDaShow]

74. From what I understand

they do these "caravans" every year. I.e., since the U.S. DOES (or at least claimed to) take "immigrants" who were fleeing persecution from their home countries and are seeking asylum, I believe Mexico allowed those who purportedly fit that criteria, to travel through its country to the border during a certain time period. Many of them are actually granted asylum in Mexico.

This is the group that sponsors them - http://www.pueblosinfronteras.org/refugee_caravan_2017.html

<...>

The caravan

The caravan is a Central American migrant refugee group being helped by Pueblo Sin Fronteras, an organization that has provided humanitarian aid "to migrants and refugees on the move" for about 15 years, according to its website.

"Our dream is to build solidarity bridges among peoples and turndown border walls imposed by greed," the site reads. Pueblos Sin Fronteras, or "people without borders," did not immediately respond to CBS News for comment.

The group is composed of about 1,100 Central Americans who are mainly from Honduras, where living conditions are desperate for most of the population. Two-thirds live in poverty, the country suffers from the worst inequality in Latin America and among the worst in the world, according to the World Bank. Honduras is also plagued by rampant crime, with one of the highest murder rates in the world.

With some on foot and others by vehicle, the migrant caravan began its journey on March 25 from the southernmost tip of Mexico and marched north, although most planned to try to stay in Mexico. In fact, one of the caravan's organizers, Mexico director of Pueblo Sin Fronteras Irineo Mujica, told the BBC that he estimates that fewer than 100 marchers would attempt to cross into the United States.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-to-know-about-the-migrant-caravans/

[olegramps]

78. You are neglecting my heritage; some of my family are of native American descent.

[BumRushDaShow]

79. Not me. The person who I was replying to.

My great-great grandmother on my father's side was a Cree.

[BumRushDaShow]

62. "but none of us would be here if someone didn't have the courage to come here and start a new life."

Not quite.

[The Mouth]

69. Boom!

[George II]

63. trump's grandfather was a criminal deported by Bavaria and his mother came here via chain migration.

[calimary]

77. So does Ivanka. If I'm not mistaken, her mother Ivana is

not American-born. From the former Czech Republic, I think.

[WinstonSmith4740]

81. I know what you mean.

I can't help wondering if they'd be welcome here today.

Second generation American myself. All grandparents "came over". Ever see the RAISE Act? I scored an 18, and you needed 30 to be able to apply. http://time.com/4887574/trump-raise-act-immigration/
None of my grandparents spoke English and my paternal grandfather hit New York with $4.00 in his pocket. None of them came here with any of the "assets" that bloviating ignoramus deems worthy. Just a desire to work hard and build a better life for themselves and their future families, just like today's immigrants. I'm sure all of them would have been denied entry today.

[PatrickforO]

49. You're not alone.

All of us, with the exception of the people from whom we stole this land, are immigrants.

We need to CONTINUE fighting these inhumane policies, and when we can HOLD THOSE WHO PERPETRATED THESE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY TO ACCOUNT IN AN INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

3. AMEN.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

7. Impeachment is our only hope... WAY overdue!!

[ehrnst]

24. And impossible until we have a majority in the House.

The constitution is clear on that.

Trashing our leadership for understanding that gets us nowhere.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

26. Again erhnst?! Why do you continually lie about me? Who did I trash? I want to see the quote.

You're better than that... or so I thought.

[ehrnst]

29. I thought you were better than that. Your words:

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"Impeachment is our only hope... WAY overdue!!"

Yes, that's trashing our leadership for somehow neglecting to do something that they can't do as per OUR CONSTITUTION.

In what universe do a minority in congress get to impeach?

Please let me know, so I can join you there.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. It's way overdue in terms of trump DESERVING to be impeached!!!

I would never criticize our leadership failing to do something that's virtually impossible, though CALLING for tRump's impeachment, like many Democrats have done, is totally justified. Are they trashing their fellow Democrats in leadership by doing so?? (Show me where you said that.)

What riles me ehrnst is that you ALWAYS assume the worst about me, never once giving me the benefit of the doubt. Making up positions I've never taken is particularly aggravating... if it happened occasionally, okay, I could write that off as an honest misunderstanding.

I'm begging you to please put me on ignore... I promise I won't be offended.

[ehrnst]

34. Not what you said.

Not what you replied to.

And you admit it right here:

CALLING for tRump's impeachment, like many Democrats have done, is totally justified.

I understand that you would be humiliated by my pointing out what you actually said, especially about others here on DU, but I thought you had the guts to admit it.

I don't "assume the worst," I take you at your word and reply to those words. If that's what you call "the worst" that's your problem, not mine. The "benefit of the doubt" doesn't = ignoring your words, nor ignoring your denials of such.

You don't need to "beg" to put me on ignore. If my actual reading of your words triggers you, then the ignore feature is yours to use.

The choice is yours.

[ehrnst]

23. Democratic leadership calling for his resignation will energize his base to get to the polls.

Nothing can be done to remove him until either:

1. Republicans grow a spine or a soul.

2. Democrats take the House and Senate.

He will not resign until he sees it as less harmful to himself than staying and fighting. We need charges and a majority.

Yes, it's painful, but we don't want to make things worse to make ourselves feel satisfied.

[pangaia]

36. I am a pessimist about this whole doo dah asshole.... BUT BUT BUT

I have a tiny, tiny inkling.. a little twitch in the back of my cheeks, that maaaaybeee something is just starting to turn.. squeeikly....


ssshhhh don;t jinx it...

[Sanity Claws]

76. That is exactly my response too

Great minds think alike.

[CountAllVotes]

4. DO SOMETHING!

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Anything will do!



ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

!!!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

8. So true... but some here say we should soft-pedal talk of impeachment for political expediency....

I call bullshit on that!!

[ehrnst]

25. I call Bullshit on that. It's impossible to impeach unless a majority of congress votes for it.

The Constitution is clear on that.

Screeching that our Dem leadership DEMAND something NOW that pointless and futile, simply because we want some "validation" doesn't help. Did 60+ votes for "repeal and replace" while Obama was accomplish anything but mockery at their cluelessnes?

And do we really want to energize his base to get to the polls before we can actually do something?

Think about it. That's not "political expediency," that's called understanding the freaking reality of the situation. Do some homework.

Who here on DU are you trashing when you accuse "some here say we should soft-pedal talk of impeachment for political expediency"?

Or are you going to backpedal again?

This isn't about YOU, and YOUR validation. This is about the fucking future of civilization. If you don't trust Democratic leadership, get on over to JPR.

[ehrnst]

30. So you're going to backpedal again on what you actually accused people here on DU of...

Not surprising. Are you now going to deny that you said "I call bullshit" since you now claim you were doing no such thing?

You don't seem to have the courage to back up your claims once you are called out on it.

but some here say we should soft-pedal talk of impeachment for political expediency....

I call bullshit on that!!

I didn't make that up, I copied it from your post. Here's the link, in case you "forgot."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210763465#post8

Do me a favor... if you're not going to be intellectually honest, please put me on ignore. Thank you

Otherwise, show enough self awareness to answer the question about who you were talking about- who here on DU you were "calling Bullshit" on.

Is that clear enough?

I know it is, and I now expect you to try to evade the question yet again.

[dweller]

70. done

you're welcome

intellectually honestly,
ta

[ehrnst]

72. ta yerself

Blue.

[pangaia]

38. I think I finally do also... there is a tiny, tiny crack in the wall...

NOW is the time to attack !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ehrnst]

39. Our leaders have been attacking for weeks.

What are you talking about?

Impeachment? Not without a majority in Congress.

Unless the Constitution has changed in the last week....

[pangaia]

42. "Our leaders have been attacking for weeks."

HUH?
Who said they hadn't? Not me.

Do you think I do not KNOW how impeachment works..?
Come on, man....


I feel perhaps something is turning...
Try to see the gray..the subtly, the 'inference,' the suggestion, ...

[ehrnst]

47. So who were you referring to when you said

"NOW is the time to attack !!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

And how do they, who have not been attacking do so?

That's all.

[pangaia]

54. Why the hell are you attacking me.

You want to have a sensible discussion? Fine.
We're on the same side.

I'd love to see protests -massive street protests against the immigration thing, against EVERYTHING.. including for impeachment... for starters.

More NON-DEMS are little by little saying something.. good encourage them...

A former student of mine turns out to be a sort-of-trumper. I cyt him off at the knees. done with him.. nothing to discess fuck him.''

Guy who is doing some work on my home, your average "mr fixit" has no idea what is going on..clueless... Sort of a republican. I am working on him.. HE WILL TURN !!!!

[ehrnst]

56. I asked a question about who you were referring to

about who was not "attacking" and what would be "attacking" in your view.

So are you saying that the general public should "attack" and that would be "street protests."

That's clearer.

You were responding to Blue, who thinks that our Democratic Leaders are failing to do what they can do, because somehow that is "politically expedient" for them, or at least people on DU are saying that they shouldn't do what they can.

Thank you for the clarification, in that you are not agreeing with Blue concerning our leaders.

[pangaia]

57. Well, I DO wish our 'LEADERS" woul do more..

Or rather more of them'
Not that the 'MEEDIAAHH" would cover it but.. There are what-- 300 or so congress critters...


Eh, I gotta make dinner, then another mojito.

then I'll reall get in trouble here.
LOL

Sorry oif I yelled at you..
Maybe it was thre 1st mojitp..

No, just me

[ehrnst]

59. Yeah, I gotta gin and tonic calling my name.

Cheers.

[pangaia]

60. This by BIGMANPIGMAN expresses my opinion pretty well.

Since he is a sociopath and has no idea what feelings and emotions are,

he had no idea how this would land on the US population. The PR and optics of this got businesses (airlines) to boycott the policy, millionaires to donate money to Dem campaigns, local news stations to wake up, GOP politicians to finally stand up, religious leaders to draw the line with GOP policies, the Pope, world leaders and the UN to voice condemnations, etc. Finally, the Resistance with the usual protesters, news stations and Dem politicians got some support. Resistance works...let's keep it up!

[George II]

61. What would be accomplished by proposing impeachment that we all know....

....won't result in a Senate conviction and removal from office?

That could (probably would) cause more harm than good.

[Gothmog]

66. Really?

Link to tweet

[lunasun]

9. Not available with the current congress . Vote them out GOTV

[ehrnst]

32. A quick check with Math indicates that's not possible at this time.

One needs a majority in Congress to Impeach, according to the Constitution. We DO NOT HAVE THAT.

Why should be be energizing his base to come out in November to protect him from that.

Screaming that they do this now is as pointless as demanding that our leaders get Secret Service to escort him to jail.

While a satisfying fantasy, we are not owed that kind of futile, pointless action on the part of people we elected to BE SMART AND EFFECTIVE.

[BigmanPigman]

12. At a protest last night we discussed this.

What if we lose the midterms? What if he isn't impeached? None of us wanted to think about it. Everybody is ready to protest within a few hours if Rosenstein or Mueller is fired. If we can we could get a lot of citizens, businesses, politicians, clergy, foreign leaders, etc on board to protest for impeachment like they did for keeping families together then we would see action from Congress.

[Fritz Walter]

15. I hear Canada's nice...

They just legalized Cannabis.
Universal health care.
Good ice hockey.
Decent beer.
And they don’t separate families at the border.

But I draw the line at mayonnaise on french fries. Then there’s the weather: I don’t like shoveling it.
And my French is lousy.

Decisions, decisions.

[Cha]

68. They speak English in Canada, too!

I love Canada.. probably never get back there, though.

[pangaia]

40. +++++++++++++++++

I am coming around to the idea of impeachment protests after a LONG opposition to the idea...

[BigmanPigman]

45. Bill Maher said on his show last week that the Dems

are avoiding running on impeachment or just getting rid of the moron during midterm campaigning. He feels that is we run on reinstating the full ACA, repealing the tax scam and impeachment we would win. I think I may be seeing the impeachment issue as a strong issue to run on instead of avoiding.

[pangaia]

46. Yeah, I'm getting there also....

At least protests. not necessarily by 'our representatives," but massive protests might just do it.


It is just a small inkling I have that the worm MAYBE has begun to TRY to turn.... could be wrong.. sure would'n be the first time...

[ehrnst]

51. The PEOPLE demanding it would get far more traction. Then the Dems can say that they are

simply doing the will of the people.

[pangaia]

55. I agree.

Whenever anybody says they are 'doing the will of the people," or some such, I 'change the station." LOL


It's like, I'm resigning for family reasons.

right dude, like your wife caught you fucking the flight attendant.

[ehrnst]

58. I expect better from Democratic Leaders than GOP leaders.

I don't expect them to simply pander, but to strategize.

Having worked on the Hill, I understand the power of a rep bringing in 2000 letters/emails from constituents demanding that they do something.

I've seen them come to advocacy groups and tell them that it gives them leverage to be able to say, "look, my constituents are demanding this."

[ehrnst]

50. Or it energizes DT's base to get out and keep the GOP majority... (nt)

[BigmanPigman]

52. That is why Pelosi is against it.

[ehrnst]

53. Yep. She hasn't been elected leader of our reps for nothing.

And she isn't the target of GOP venom for nothing.

It's interesting when you consider who they don't attack on the opposite side of the aisle.

[riversedge]

16. Richard Blumenthal: Family separation cannot be replaced by family incarceration&imprisonment.

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Richard Blumenthal
?Verified account @SenBlumenthal
23m23 minutes ago

Family separation cannot be replaced by family incarceration&imprisonment.
many other Dems have spoken out also.

Link to tweet

Richard Blumenthal
?Verified account @SenBlumenthal
23m23 minutes ago

President Trump's current policies - as articulated in this Executive Order - will put children behind bars indefinitely&indiscriminately. That is intolerable in a free and democratic society.
2 replies 24 retweets 38 likes
Richard Blumenthal
?Verified account @SenBlumenthal
23m23 minutes ago

Children will experience many of the same lasting traumas that they do now&the world will continue to watch the spectacle of the American government locking up innocent children and throwing away the key.
4 replies 49 retweets 135 likes



Richard Blumenthal
?Verified account @SenBlumenthal
23m23 minutes ago

This policy hearkens back to the worst days of our country's history: Japanese children imprisoned w/their parents in World War II-era detention camps. History will judge us harshly if we permit this inhumane&immoral policy to be carried out without our protest&opposition.
19 replies 60 retweets 159 likes

[suffragette]

22. Your post should be an OP.

[riversedge]

33. You are right. I will make it one. thanks.

[pangaia]

44. That seems to be what almost nobody, including I, understood.

Thanks,

[Honeycombe8]

17. What? I thought it ended separation of families? nt

[gratuitous]

18. Next up: Trump blames Democrats for their obstruction

The latest executive order was promulgated intentionally to be against the law and to impose wholly unacceptable conditions under the Consent Decree that came out of the Flores case.

Naturally, congressional Democrats object because they respect the rule of law. Trump, who will be joined by many of the more sycophantic congressional Republicans, will whine about obstruction by the Democrats, which the popular media will report uncritically. Fox will run far ahead of the rest of the media in echoing and amplifying Trump's cynical whining, trying to make it sound legitimate.

Then comes the federal lawsuit seeking to invalidate Trump's imperial fiat. More whining, more uncritical reporting, more amplification from Fox. Polls will show 45% of Americans will buy the Trumpian bullshit.

Our work isn't done. It's never done. Keep after it. And remember: Some of these families that have been broken up in the last two months will never see each other again, thanks to President Trump.

[spanone]

19. K&R...

[Tarc]

20. The time to do something was 2016. Elections have consequences, and all the Steinbots out there

need to take a long, hard look in the mirror right about now.

[ehrnst]

37. +1000. (nt)

[ancianita]

21. Normalizing child trafficking-- "Nothing to see here"

Durbin is right as rain.

[suffragette]

35. He's absolutely correct. My Rep, Pramila Jayapal, is saying the same.

[Greywing]

64. Durbin is right

This executive order mean nothing and changes nothing. Trump is trying to pull a fast one ... Eyes must be kept on this situation.

[sprinkleeninow]

65. If comrade trashbag is famous for being full of rubbish,

why should anything he ever does or ever says be any different.

[Gothmog]

67. The Flores Settlement controls

Link to tweet

[markbark]

75. Drop the final word from the last sentence

...and you have the perfect solution.