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Civic Justice

(870 posts)
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 10:12 AM Jun 2018

It's not enough to just get Trump Out...

Last edited Fri Jun 22, 2018, 05:15 PM - Edit history (1)

Because we see what happens when the drive is "just to get someone out"... We saw what happen when the rage was to "get Bush Out", and then we turned around and "gave congress back to Republican", from callous lackadaisical whimsical passivity', and then we gave the Presidency to the Republican, by the Millions that Did Not Vote and the Millions that Threw their Votes Away, and the Millions who flipped and Voted to support Republicans again.

This is the result of what happens, when people have no clear and defined understanding of what they want, and what they will fight to have and uphold. This is the result when people think, its everyone else responsibility to "speak up" and promote narrative" and push dialog of DETAILS about what is wanted and what is the make up of details of what is supported. Too many don't want to think beyond a joke or a catch phrase pun, seeking a "moment of being patted on the back for a laugh"... rather than to promote commentary to inspire, provoke and if necessary incite people to "SPEAK UP" And some substance in what they say.

Sadly, the average person don't know what they want... and can't communicate it. Some just want everyone else to handle it, as long as they have to do as less as they can. Some want to pretend that 'everything is going to be all-right" and its something others should have commentary and guts to speak about their thoughts, while they simply, sling a pun, and crack a joke. Then we have some, who simply "resent commentary", especially about "anything" they'd prefer to sweep under the rug, and claim it does not affect them.

We've seen it all before, and we saw it for 100's of years.... and we are seeing it again in its continuance.


It's revealing that we have many who are not as driven to be as intellectually driven to have voice as they say they are, and many are not driven to express details about what they want, and what is the meaning behind what they claim to want. Such a question for many is only considered in the sense of being resentful, because such a question was posed to them.
That's the "weakness" that is far too widespread in America. Run from it, hide it, duck and dodge, but don't express it, and hope it all goes away. Yep, that's exactly what gave the power to the Rise of the KKK in earlier times, that also fuels the vile of murder by hanging and very other means and miscarriage of justice in the courts and racism that raged across the nation for 100's of years.
Yet... it was American people who supported such ignorance and madness, some by being out front promoting it, and others by being filled with silence and others, with a thought that, as long as it does not affect them personally, why have anything more than a joke or pun to say.

We as a society reveal that we are not as intellectually driven as we might seek to claim. We try and cover the lack of intellectual expression by a slap stick joke or pun. Likely from a lack of self investment to actually "express the make up and details of thoughts". This leads to us, being driven and controlled by the likes of "tweet", and 'consumed" in the "drama antics" that is meant to deflect from the vile that is being done... and we as American people play into it day by day... until we can't even remember what the "drama antic is that drove us the week before".

No, Its not enough to just want to get Trump Out... when we can't even verbalize what we want in enough detail to actually believe it enough to state it in words or written form.

When we look across America and talk about the 'uninformed" we need to ask ourselves, are we doing all we can to be informed, and are we doing all we can to inspire others to become informed, and are we doing all we can to promote the intent and actions of others to express their thoughts and views in hope that it can help inspire even more to express their thoughts and views and build a strength of unity,that might be able to have a unified voice and know what that voice is say, and what that voice actually means by what it is saying.

If "any" think that is not part of their responsibility... then they not only shortchange themselves, they may find their dedication to be far less with the passion needed to drive one to have voice and actually express it.

These things tell of how "Dictators Rise", and how "totalitarianism and authoritarian rule overtakes people, and its done by peoples own passivity, its done by people own lack of detail in their claimed convictions to stand and speak and try and inspire others to stand and speak, be it by spoken words or written text. We now live under the newly installed dictatorships of our administration, and we accept it being done by tweets and belligerent acts and belligerent attacks of the government and now upon immigrant people and their children... and all we can do is sling a joke and push a pun... It's an ATROCITY by our own making and doings.

Keep being silent... because SILENCE to a wanna be Dictator and demonstrative Authoritarian is nothing more than an act of Acceptance. Cracking Jokes to a wanna be Dictator and demonstrative Authoritarian is seen as nothing but an interpretation of people being ignorance.. a wanna be Dictator and demonstrative Authoritarian will never respect those who sling nothing but jokes and puns... that should be evident by now all across America... but those who claim to be intelligent, has not figured it out yet.

Dialog that is of Content to speak about "what and why" ones stands for what they claim to stand for, is the only thing that can embolden people to become "vocal", by voice or text...

Sadly, too many can be washed away with a sprinkle, as we say in 2016 of those who fled to support Republican,and those who abstained from voting and acted as if they were proud to have done so, and others who had no concern to think of voting, and those who sit on their ass and think it was a responsibility for others, but not for themselves.

It's not enough to just get Trump Out...

People need to know ...what they want to vote in and why, and think and talk about "how they expect to see the future and what their actual thoughts are they want those who lead into the future to actually do.

Sadly, too many people simply don't know.... and because of such.. is the exact reason why republican were able to increase their numbers, arouse their people to vote and they took congress and then they took the presidency...

So, the old saying goes... If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything... and we've see it happen to have given us what we have....

Now, if silence is all one can muster... then one might be their own worst enemy, and equally so a detriment to the Ideals claimed.

It's not enough to just get Trump Out...

it has to be more, to not just get Trump out, but the entire Republican System that is aiding and abetting the madness. But that can't be done, if people to speak up and speak out about "what they want" and do it in detail enough so people can understand it.
It can't be done if people don't see or know the value of what it means to gain public narrative. I can't be done if people don't generate and create public narrative, and discuss exactly what they want.

If people don't know what they want, then they are likely to get some of anything... and we are living in that reality this very moment. When people claimed they wanted what Obama said, which was CHANGE, but when it came time to support that Change, the people fell away and gave over congress to the Republican Right Wing.

People became as subdued and self repressed as they were during segregation, the minute the White Right Tea Party became vocal, and in the end result... the White Right Tea Party, too over Congress. And became a detriment to everything Obama supported as acts and efforts to bring about Change.... the silence of the masses gave rise to the Republican, and now that same silence gave rise and continuance to Republican Madness and Trumps Atrocious Vile..... Still... people see need to be silent.

Right - Wrong - or- Indifferent == what we see is "The Committed" Win's... it should "shock" us awake, just knowing such fact.

Sadly, what 2016 showed us is we don't have the unshakable base that we think we have, or that we should likely have... if that does not tell us the work 'every individual must put in"... then we are simply not paying attention well enough.

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It's not enough to just get Trump Out... (Original Post) Civic Justice Jun 2018 OP
Nazi Germany was also very clean. raging moderate Jun 2018 #1
How we damage ourselves... Civic Justice Jun 2018 #2

raging moderate

(4,292 posts)
1. Nazi Germany was also very clean.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 10:16 AM
Jun 2018

Lillian Hellman attested to the cleanliness of their washrooms. Irrational germ phobia is related to irrational racial phobia.

 

Civic Justice

(870 posts)
2. How we damage ourselves...
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 05:11 PM
Jun 2018
This is the result of what happens, when people have no clear and defined understanding of what they want, and what they will fight to have and uphold. This is the result when people think, its everyone else responsibility to "speak up" and promote narrative" and push dialog of DETAILS about what is wanted and what is the make up of details of what is supported.


I actually expected to find more individual generated content about what people actually think with some details, especially when people kept talking about how uneducated the Republican are.... I'm finding far too much that says they are more adept at generating content that captures and dominate public narrative, and basically what I see is people simply responding with slap stick comments, to republican initiated and republicans generate narrative, that become the media focus and the magnet for people to go to and post a lot of slap stick comedic comments, Yes, it might express disgust... but there is very few post that even speak about "what we actually want", and then there is resentment, if there is any intent to get people to talk about what they want. It becomes even more vague and non interactive if subjects speak of the things that drive issues in society like racism.... yet many will say Republican are of many racist, but many people won't create narrative and talk about what they think, feel and know of racist, and then when some do... it is either attacked or given lackluster response.

When it comes to details... we had better get better at it, or we will leave a void for weakness to weaken us and certainly lack of narrative has little potential to attract new membership......

Sadly, I don't see much changing anytime soon and that is quite disenchanting... when we continually hear in the media, that Trumps numbers are rising, and Mueller's support numbers are falling... It tells us a lot about ourselves... and we gloss right over it, with the same type of overconfidence that drove us in 2016.. when the results shows us, that overconfidence did not translate into committed votes.. And still we have no control and no dominance in having public narrative... heck, people won't even express detail in conversational forums.... and that too might tell us a great deal that we are not giving focus or paying attention unto.

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