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Sat Jun 23, 2018, 01:45 PM

A horrible thought has now lodged in my brain. Please tell me where I'm wrong.

Trump's press "event" yesterday where he blamed Hispanic immigrants/refugees
for murders and crimes ....

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44580964

... is not different from Hitler blaming the Jews for Germany's loss in WW I.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/6852245/Adolf-Hitlers-hatred-of-Jews-stemmed-from-First-World-War.html

"The core of his hatred lies at the defeat of Germany in WW1," said Mr Riecker, "where Hitler blamed the Jews for defeat of the country, the collapse of the monarchy and the ruination of millions"



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Reply A horrible thought has now lodged in my brain. Please tell me where I'm wrong. (Original post)
Botany Jun 2018 OP
shraby Jun 2018 #1
Botany Jun 2018 #2
bdamomma Jun 2018 #12
MFM008 Jun 2018 #15
smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #19
cate94 Jun 2018 #29
samnsara Jun 2018 #3
bitterross Jun 2018 #32
hlthe2b Jun 2018 #4
Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #5
AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #6
kimbutgar Jun 2018 #7
PearliePoo2 Jun 2018 #8
SunSeeker Jun 2018 #26
braddy Jun 2018 #9
cutroot Jun 2018 #10
Midnight Writer Jun 2018 #11
Cicada Jun 2018 #16
BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #17
vlyons Jun 2018 #13
H2O Man Jun 2018 #27
chowder66 Jun 2018 #34
dalton99a Jun 2018 #14
Duppers Jun 2018 #18
BadgerMom Jun 2018 #20
StTimofEdenRoc Jun 2018 #21
lunatica Jun 2018 #22
KPN Jun 2018 #23
elmac Jun 2018 #24
BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #25
SunSeeker Jun 2018 #28
sharedvalues Jun 2018 #30
lsewpershad Jun 2018 #31
George II Jun 2018 #33

Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 01:49 PM

1. trump is following the playbook.

He'll get to the Jews on his own time, first the people of color. Then the Jews, the liberals, the Catholics.
Everyone but the brownshirts. The kkk, white supremecists and other bigots and scofflaws.

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Response to shraby (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 01:51 PM

2. And all the time using this awful act of taking kids from their parents as cover ....

.... for his and the republican collusion w/Russia to rig our elections.

BTW Trump kept a copy of Hitler's speeches by his bed.

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Response to shraby (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 02:16 PM

12. hmmm....his son in law and daughter

are of the Jewish persuasion.

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Response to shraby (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 02:32 PM

15. Jewish persons

Probably safe, many are white(vital for racists)
A number support him.
He will focus on persons of color
primarily, and Muslims.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 03:08 PM

19. Eventually these people will come for the Jews too.

They aren't at the top of the list this time, but they are still on the list.

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Response to shraby (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 04:06 PM

29. Muslims and gays will be targets early on. Nt

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 01:52 PM

3. his core is shrinking..smaller and smaller every day...

...they will be reduced to a potent reduction. Loud and angry...but small.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 04:30 PM

32. I think you are correct. But I see evidence to the contrary.

 

The people I know back home in the South still defend him and they credit him for the economy and jobs numbers. Despite the fact he is responsible for neither and a simple look at the trends will show anyone that the improvement in both of those things is due to policies begun during the last administration.

They see him as them. They want to be him. Loud, rich, unapologetic for anything they say.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 01:53 PM

4. Of course... Only those who don't know history would think otherwise. He's a fascist

and this is not going to get better unless he is stopped.


You do realize he kept a copy of Hitler's speeches on his nightstand while married to Ivana, don't you?

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 01:53 PM

5. Ur-Fascism, the characteristics of Eternal Fascism...No. 7

7. To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country. This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside. In the US, a prominent instance of the plot obsession is to be found in Pat Robertson’s The New World Order, but, as we have recently seen, there are many others.


Umberto Eco (1995)

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 01:55 PM

6. he has been very consistent in following hitler's path to fascism

First mexicans and muslims. Muslims are taking a break right now until some new attack emerges that he can use as a weapon. It seems like a long way to go till november with current news and event cycles.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 01:56 PM

7. There is more white domestic terrorist acts than those committed by migrants

How come he didn’t do a photo op with victims of the Las Vegas shooting by the white gun humper.?

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 01:59 PM

8. The only acceptable immigrants (other than his soft-porn star wife) are Norwegians or


countries populated with blue-eyed blonds. (The more they resemble the object of his lust, Ivanka, the better)

Remember, most of the world's countries are shitholes.

Yeah, he's stirring up the hate to a lather. It's going to get worse.





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Response to PearliePoo2 (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 03:53 PM

26. Ivanka has brown eyes. She's not a real blonde either.

Like her mother, Ivana, she's a brown-eyed brunette who had quite a bit work done, with a generous helping of hair bleach.



But she sure knows how to create the look that daddy likes!

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 01:59 PM

9. The history of Hitler, Stalin and Mao used to leave out the illegal immigration parts.

 

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 02:10 PM

10. It is not that he is smart

He is just willing to stoop so low that you just cannot believe it. He says and does the things he does because that is what his followers want to hear but they are somewhat too ashamed to say or do it themselves.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 02:14 PM

11. The difference is that Germany was truly suffering. What I don't understand is how this works in

the richest, most powerful country in the history of the world.

In the midst of full employment, growing economy, national security, the folks that (as a group) are benefiting the most are totally convinced they are getting screwed over by the very people that are truly (as a group) getting screwed.

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 02:54 PM

16. Maybe blaming victims is common

I bet the rich in the time of dickens thought the poor had themselves to blame.

Despising those who are different is probably a common tendency.

Our press has failed us. They should have made clear the truth that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes. They should have made clear that immigrants are generally good for the economy.

Racism and bigotry always get a lot of votes. Hard times up the appeal but the base rate is always pretty good. Remember that if everyone voted Democrats would win almost every race. But many common folk don’t vote so those with cold hearts get a break. The electoral district bias favoring rural districts adds to their voting edge.

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 03:00 PM

17. That's because there ARE large pockets of "white poor" that the media won't show you

except every once in awhile. This is because most of the media outlets are headquartered in large cities and those cities have higher minority populations, thus "poverty" is almost always shown as a "minority problem" because that's all the media sees when they step out the door of their glass office buildings. And the RW media skews it even further by trying to compare percentages in poverty within a group versus total numbers in poverty BY group.

So when a stat comes out from the census that 41,000,000 (as of 2016) are in poverty, the "perception" is that basically, almost the entire population of blacks in the U.S., is "in poverty". But the reality is very different and there is a lot of denial going on that keeps a whole group seething and lashing out at the wrong people.

I.e., if you have ~27% of blacks in poverty, that translates into about 11,000,000. That means the other 30,000,000 are non-black (meaning white or other minority ethnic groups). And this is not counting those who are just at or barely above the poverty line, which includes 10s of more millions - again predominately white (because whites are still the majority).

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 02:28 PM

13. We are not powerless

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Response to vlyons (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 03:56 PM

27. Very good!

Thank you.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 06:05 PM

34. I used to take breaks in that room looking at the buddha.

It's one of the most peaceful, wonderful places. I used to work at the Nelson-Atkins and it is still at the tippy-top of my favorite job list.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 02:31 PM

14. Racist, fascist, hostage taker, child abuser, rapist, traitor, thief, terrorist

in other words, pure evil scum

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 03:07 PM

18. I posted that thought yesterday

...in a thread. If TRump had total dictatorial powers, I wouldn't put anything past him.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 03:14 PM

20. We are the difference.

We are the majority. We are not weak. We are not uninformed. We have justice on our side. We see them. Let’s vote.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 03:17 PM

21. I can't, because you are not.

 

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 03:20 PM

22. The path to dictatorship, including Fascism

follows a very meticulous, well planned path which, if you are a history buff, you can see in the process of happening.

One of those steps, which is very important in getting the people to support them is to demonize and blame one or more groups of people for whatever the people are unhappy with. Hitler did this with the Jews, claiming all the bad stuff was caused by them. By the time he went after them to deport them to the concentration camps his supporters were cheering him for it.

Trump is doing it with a few groups. The Muslims, Black citizens and Mexicans and Latin Americans. He has the Deplorables foaming at the mouth and openly supporting him already.

So yes, your thought is right.



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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 03:27 PM

23. This has been apparent for quite some time.

It’s not the first time that there have been parallels — far from it. We are clearly headed for WWIII unless we right the ship via this fall’s elections. But I am not optimistic. It will take much more than a majority in either or both houses to do that. Well, as I define “righting the ship” — which is returning to normalcy. Until 45 is ousted (and maybe until he is put in jail) nothing will be normal.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 03:29 PM

24. The fascist party, AKA GOP is using the Nazi playbook

 

and the corporate controlled so called news networks have been its propaganda machine, why, because chaos makes them money.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 03:46 PM

25. My protest sign today had the picture of the fucking moron with

Hitler hair-do and mustache. I went to the rally today with a Jewish friend and when the different speakers spoke, she began to cry. There were a lot of tears there. I saw fellow teachers who were livid. Families are in jails! The govt planned to lock them all up but NEVER EVER had plans to reunite them!!!!! they have been planning it for over a year and uniting families was NEVER in their plans???? RESIST! REMOVE! Peace.

More cities have joined Wash DC and over 600 cities have an event planned. Some events are on other dates (San Diego is tomorrow June 23rd AND June 30th). Spread the word and RESIST....IT WORKS!
Find an event near you, donate, make phone calls and write to your reps, sign the petition. THANKS!!!!

The executive order that Donald Trump signed today is not a solution to the crisis created by his administration; it keeps kids imprisoned indefinitely, and doesn't reunite thousands of separated families. But it does show the administration is reacting to public pressure, so we will continue to increase our pressure for justice at hundreds of events on Saturday, June 30, to say that families belong together.
https://www.familiesbelongtogether.org/
https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/families-belong-together?source=FBTsite622
https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/kids-are-still-in-cages?source=FBTsite622
https://www.romper.com/p/this-list-of-families-belong-together-protests-is-growing-proving-americans-are-outraged-9540228

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #25)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 03:57 PM

28. Thank you for your activism.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 04:10 PM

30. Of course this is true. He's been doing this for years

Read Masha Gessen, “The autocrat’s language” about how he uses words like dictators.
Read O’Shaughnessy on how he uses propaganda like dictators.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fascism/2017/03/how_nazi_propaganda_encouraged_the_masses_to_co_produce_a_false_reality.html

And now the dehumanization like dictators.
https://mobile.twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1009099113642778624

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 04:21 PM

31. Do something... you decide

Talking, venting do nothing to change. Be the change you want to see.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 04:42 PM

33. Not wrong at all. Don't forget the Nazis burned down the Reichstag and blamed it on the Jews too!

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