What will centrist Democrats do to undo Janus if they regain power?

[yurbud]

When Republicans briefly held power in Congress after World War II, they passed the Taft Hartley Act that substantially weakened unions. Half of Democrats in the Senate voted to override President Truman's veto and pass the law.

Once Democrats regained control, they had DECADES to undo it, but let it stand.

My concern with Janus is not that it can't be undone, but that it won't.

What are centrists saying they are going to do about this, and what evidence if any is there that they will actually do it?

I believe Justice Garland would have voted against it, but Democrats seem unwilling to play hardball with Republicans when needed, which might lead many to conclude they don't mind what they are doing that much.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

1. Only a new court case and new court, or Constitutional Amendment can fix Janus

SCOTUS ruled on Constitutional grounds, namely the 1st Amendment. No law can get around that.

[dogman]

2. Go along to get along.

They are centrists.

[maxsolomon]

3. hence the accusation that there isn't much difference between parties.

and that voting won't change anything. and hence the valid frustration of Sanders voters.

this is the way it is going to be now. Gorsuch is young; we'll live with this court for decades. it will only get worse as the older liberal members die off during trump's 2nd term, or in his martial-law emergency rule beyond 2024.

[yurbud]

4. If they were going to do the martial law stunt, they would have done it under Bush when they were

stronger.

[maxsolomon]

5. TBD

Bush wasn't a malignant narcissist.

[yurbud]

6. to the degree that Trump has any power, it comes from some rich assholes who think he's useful

the same with Bush except Bush convinced more rich assholes than Trump did hence the unanimous support of the mainstream media and political class he got in his first term.


Some of the rich rightly distrust Trump not because he is a corrupt malignant narcissist, but because he is an unreliable stumblefuck, which is all that saves us from outright fascism.

[maxsolomon]

7. sure hope you're right

we're teetering; his voters have already embraced a personality cult and are immune to reason.

Dems seem to have no one who knows how to counter his daily barrage of gaslighting and abuse with the wit and sarcasm it will require, or even make a dent in his stranglehold on the media space (zingers on twitter don't count).

maybe I have seen too many episodes of Handmaid's Tale...

[yurbud]

8. conservatives have one serious disadvantage: numbers of people

at best, they have a hardcore of a third of Americans who are racist white nitwits (not that all three go together all the time).

They cannot hold onto those people and attract other voters.

They would have a hard time doing martial law with a military that has a greater share of minorities than the general population.

We are in a period EXACTLY like that before the Civil War when we had one party on the side of morally unrestrained greed willing to use violence to maintain their control and an opposition party that did their best not to oppose them.

That party had to die before there could be effective opposition.

I hope that is not what is required now, simply because we don't have time.

Too many things are at stake and could go wrong before a new party could make it to the driver's seat.

[yurbud]

9. The lack of response from the usually loud centrists tells us all we need to know.

[theaocp]

10. They won't do jackshit, unless

the money spigot is turned off. It's amazing what living things will do to keep living. Paid ignorance is the worst. Just ask the Washington Generals.

[yurbud]

11. yep. In the case of DC Democrats, it takes real talent to lose to a team that only represents

a third of the country, and an aging and demographically shrinking third at that.

Republicans have been vampires caught in the sunlight a couple of times, and instead of letting them burst into flames and blow away, Democrats have insisted on dragging them into the shade and opening a vein (usually ours not theirs) to keep them alive and nurse them back to health.

Most recently, this was done by "looking forward not back."